Hamburg gas attack.....

LordBob · Post by **LordBob** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 8:39 pm

Just had a text from a mate in Germany saying there has been a gas attack on Hamburg Metro I went to Bild website and it's full of it but nothing on BBC, Sky or ITV are we just accepting these attacks as the norm now?

simonclaret · Post by **simonclaret** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 8:44 pm

6 injured from tear gas apparently, not good but maybe these days not that newsworthy I'm afraid.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 8:44 pm

Plenty of activity on Twitter talking about it but nothing from more solid news sources yet.

Edit: Being described as a tear gas attack by Twitter users.

JarrowClaret · Post by **JarrowClaret** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 8:54 pm

I'm confused how someone gets injured from tear gas, not a nice experience but certainly not normally something that causes injury either. Apart from allergy or maybe the driver having some in his cabin causing a crash.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 8:55 pm

I'm personally very glad that the major news outlets are at least waiting for some actual facts before reporting them.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 8:58 pm

JarrowClaret wrote:I'm confused how someone gets injured from tear gas, not a nice experience but certainly not normally something that causes injury either. Apart from allergy or maybe the driver having some in his cabin causing a crash.

I take it you've never been tear gassed. I have twice and while the effects aren't long term but i'd definitely characterise them as an injury at the time.

HelloHiGoodbye · Post by **HelloHiGoodbye** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 9:00 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:I'm personally very glad that the major news outlets are at least waiting for some actual facts before reporting them.

This.

I think the climate for reporting news has had to change. There's instant stuff on Twitter etc and that is fantastic but it means established, 'proper' reporters like the BBC, ITV, CNN, whatever have to be more thorough and can't take a reactionary approach (like people on Twitter). It's better to wait half an hour or so.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 9:01 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:I take it you've never been tear gassed. I have twice and while the effects aren't long term but i'd definitely characterise them as an injury at the time.

Out of interest, why twice?

Goobs · Post by **Goobs** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 9:04 pm

Sidney1st wrote:Out of interest, why twice?

Cos he was still being annoying and acting like a superior know it all after the first

Mrpotatohead · Post by **Mrpotatohead** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 9:07 pm

I've been exposed to CS gas, not very pleasant at all.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 9:08 pm

Goobs wrote:Cos he was still being annoying and acting like a superior know it all after the first

JarrowClaret · Post by **JarrowClaret** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 9:12 pm

I have been CS gassed once a year for 22 years in the military a part of that test was to recite my name rank number or answer simple questions without a respirator on. I was expecting what was happening so that might be the difference and maybe this could be part of my reasoning. I would say an uncomfortable experience painful for the eyes definitely but cause injury not sure how unless something else involved or maybe it was quite a large dose.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 9:13 pm

Sidney1st wrote:Out of interest, why twice?

Military training. The first time i was looking forward to it because how bad can it be?
Corporal Cuntface: "Name, rank, serial number and tell us a joke!".
Me: "Pte. Turtle. s/n 25105243. ..." i don't remember what joke i attempted but i didn't make it through it.

The second time was after recovering from a broken leg, getting through remedial and going through some of the same weeks in training. this time my joke was "this is a ******* joke" which i was made to regret by not being allowed to replace my respirator for a while longer.

levraiclaret · Post by **levraiclaret** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 9:54 pm

I thought it was an axe attack or has there been two attacks this week?

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 10:04 pm

injury's can be from an ensuing panic - you see gas these days and expect something more sinister than CS - though even that will make the average punter flee

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 10:19 pm

There was an axe attack the other day.

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 10:26 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Military training. The first time i was looking forward to it because how bad can it be?
Corporal Cuntface: "Name, rank, serial number and tell us a joke!".
Me: "Pte. Turtle. s/n 25105243. ..." i don't remember what joke i attempted but i didn't make it through it.

The second time was after recovering from a broken leg, getting through remedial and going through some of the same weeks in training. this time my joke was "this is a ******* joke" which i was made to regret by not being allowed to replace my respirator for a while longer.

Fair play IT - finally learnt something about you tonight

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 10:32 pm

I've not hidden it, it's just something i don't advertise since i broke my leg another couple of times and got bounced out on an MD. Never deployed. But the CS experience was relevent and something i'll never forget.

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 10:47 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:I take it you've never been tear gassed. I have twice and while the effects aren't long term but i'd definitely characterise them as an injury at the time.

Only twice? I could have cheerfully tear gassed you many times!

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 10:50 pm

Out of interest, if you ever get tear gassed never go for a p!ss before a hot shower. I did, and that's probably why my d!cks so big; the swelling never went down!

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Mar 11, 2017 3:32 am

levraiclaret wrote:I thought it was an axe attack or has there been two attacks this week?

Because of your post I'm enjoying the idea of someone going around spraying American cans of Lynx and the media reporting it as a gas attack.

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Sat Mar 11, 2017 7:09 am

The effects of teargas cannot and should not be classed as an "injury".

I'm embarrassed that someone who apparently was in the army thinks it is. Quick, get a claim in!!! Fanny.

Acting Claret · Post by **Acting Claret** » Sat Mar 11, 2017 7:54 am

BennyD wrote:Out of interest, if you ever get tear gassed never go for a p!ss before a hot shower. I did, and that's probably why my d!cks so big; the swelling never went down!

You could market that.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Mar 11, 2017 8:14 am

bobinho wrote:The effects of teargas cannot and should not be classed as an "injury".

I'm embarrassed that someone who apparently was in the army thinks it is. Quick, get a claim in!!! Fanny.

If you are briefly incapacitated by a punch or a kick you are so because you are injured, are you not? Why should it be any different if you're briefly incapacitated by a gas?
Try to use logic and reasoning to explain why you disagree.

minnieclaret · Post by **minnieclaret** » Sat Mar 11, 2017 9:14 am

We had worse on the school bus, when somebody had made a stink bomb in chemistry.
It never made the news.

BleedingClaret · Post by **BleedingClaret** » Sat Mar 11, 2017 12:57 pm

JarrowClaret wrote:I'm confused how someone gets injured from tear gas, not a nice experience but certainly not normally something that causes injury either. Apart from allergy or maybe the driver having some in his cabin causing a crash.

If it's concentrated in a small area enclosed area it'll be much worse than you see on the streets

JarrowClaret · Post by **JarrowClaret** » Sat Mar 11, 2017 1:22 pm

Bleeding I understand that I have never had CS gas administered to me in anything but an enclosed area. The difference i guess would be I expected it, but I still don't get how tear gas ALONE could cause injury which was mt point, temporarily incapacitate and cause distress definitely cos it's horrible.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Sat Mar 11, 2017 1:58 pm

How do you define an injury?

Something like, physical harm of any sort that lasts for x period of time? I've never experienced a gas attack of any sort, but I'd assume that it's an injury, albeit for a short period of time.

A sprained ankle is an injury as is a broken leg, but they don't both last for the same period.

SussexDon1inIreland · Post by **SussexDon1inIreland** » Sat Mar 11, 2017 3:21 pm

http://www.news.com.au/world/europe/ham ... 8a442d18b8" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Sadly to get news from Europe you need to "Google" outside of Europe, here is an Australian site quoting the story from Bild a German news source.

The axe attack they said it was by a man from "Yugoslavia" interesting as that word hasn't been used for 20 years or so, and they meant Kosovo which is 98% muslim the liberal press just can't bring themselves to give us the truth

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Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Mar 11, 2017 5:52 pm

SussexDon1inIreland wrote:http://www.news.com.au/world/europe/ham ... 8a442d18b8

Sadly to get news from Europe you need to "Google" outside of Europe, here is an Australian site quoting the story from Bild a German news source.

The axe attack they said it was by a man from "Yugoslavia" interesting as that word hasn't been used for 20 years or so, and they meant Kosovo which is 98% muslim the liberal press just can't bring themselves to give us the truth

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You're a moron.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Sat Mar 11, 2017 5:56 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:You're a moron.

Wasn't it the german police that released said description?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Mar 11, 2017 6:04 pm

That's not the fault of the "liberal media" either.

Oh, and some shits might want to point out that he's from Kosovo and that Kosovo is 98% Muslim because they hate Muslims and want you to hate them too, but this axe attacker was a paraniod schizophrenic, but i'm sure sussex doesn't care about that, because how could that possibly be more relevent than the fact that he might be a Muslim.

"The suspect in the attack was identified in the German news outlet Spiegel Online as 36-year-old Fatmir H. On Friday, police found a doctor’s diagnosis inside the suspect’s apartment, some 20 miles away in the city of Wuppertal, as well as medication indicating that he was paranoid schizophrenic, according to Dietmar Kneib of the North Rhine-Westphalia state criminal police"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/se ... story.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

USC · Post by **USC** » Sat Mar 11, 2017 6:56 pm

SussexDon1inIreland wrote:Sadly to get news from Europe you need to "Google" outside of Europe... The axe attack they said it was by a man from "Yugoslavia" interesting as that word hasn't been used for 20 years or so, and they meant Kosovo which is 98% muslim the liberal press just can't bring themselves to give us the truth

Difficult to work out if you are just naturally mentally 'slow' or have been brainwashed by the likes of Trump, convincing the far-righters that mainstream media is fake and has an agenda! As IT shows, it is really simple to get balanced coverage of this story, but people like you want to invent the truth for their own sick purposes.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Sat Mar 11, 2017 7:05 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:That's not the fault of the "liberal media" either.

Oh, and some shits might want to point out that he's from Kosovo and that Kosovo is 98% Muslim because they hate Muslims and want you to hate them too, but this axe attacker was a paraniod schizophrenic, but i'm sure sussex doesn't care about that, because how could that possibly be more relevent than the fact that he might be a Muslim.

"The suspect in the attack was identified in the German news outlet Spiegel Online as 36-year-old Fatmir H. On Friday, police found a doctor’s diagnosis inside the suspect’s apartment, some 20 miles away in the city of Wuppertal, as well as medication indicating that he was paranoid schizophrenic, according to Dietmar Kneib of the North Rhine-Westphalia state criminal police"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/se ... story.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Depends really, if he went on a mad axe rampage because he was hearing voices in his head and having an actual psychotic episode, then I agree. If his motivations we're purely religiously driven then i would argue his condition may have had little perhaps even no effect at all on his actions.

LordBob · Post by **LordBob** » Sat Mar 11, 2017 8:55 pm

Mental illness can cause any person to behave in a totally irrational manner I think we have to accept that the 2 Michaels who butchered Private Lee Rigby were mentally disturbed and the young men from Dewsbury who had their lives to lead but instead blew themselves to bits on the London Transport system must to have been suffering from a kind of mental illness probably brought on by peer indoctrination or as some people might call it 'brainwashing' and you cannot blame Mr Trump for any of that. It's going to happen time and time again and the real heart of the problem will never be truly exposed on our shores, it's sad but true.

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Sat Mar 11, 2017 9:15 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Depends really, if he went on a mad axe rampage because he was hearing voices in his head and having an actual psychotic episode, then I agree. If his motivations we're purely religiously driven then i would argue his condition may have had little perhaps even no effect at all on his actions.

Isn't hearing voices in your head the basis for all religions...?

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Sat Mar 11, 2017 10:30 pm

Rick_Muller wrote:Isn't hearing voices in your head the basis for all religions...?

Not really, if you are legitimately hearing voices in your head then you have serious issues and need to seek a medical professional immediately; especially if they are telling you to do things.

Having imaginary friends however is pretty normal, especially for kids, but adults too even sometimes and is usually harmless. (usually)

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun Mar 12, 2017 2:57 am

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Depends really, if he went on a mad axe rampage because he was hearing voices in his head and having an actual psychotic episode, then I agree. If his motivations we're purely religiously driven then i would argue his condition may have had little perhaps even no effect at all on his actions.

Do you think Sussex carefully considered the alternative possible motives after he found out the guy was from Kosovo?

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Sun Mar 12, 2017 11:36 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:Do you think Sussex carefully considered the alternative possible motives after he found out the guy was from Kosovo?

Dunno, probably not. Can't blame people for jumping to conclusions with this type of thing these days though, can you?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun Mar 12, 2017 3:19 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Dunno, probably not. Can't blame people for jumping to conclusions with this type of thing these days though, can you?

Yes, I can.

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Sun Mar 12, 2017 6:57 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:You're a moron.

I think we previously established on here that they also have to use the wording that you want or it doesn't count as being in the news.