Our concentration levels

[KRBFC]

Why do we always concede in stoppage time? It's become a strange habit recently unless I'm just making it up.
Leicester(A)
West Ham (A)
Watford (A)
Bournemouth (H)
Arsenal (H) & (A)
Hull (H)

That's off the top of my head, I may have missed some. I believe it's a big issue, if we don't concede at West Ham/Leicester and got to half time at 0-0 the games could have gone differently.

[TheFamilyCat]

First point: we don't "always" concede in injury time.

As for the reasons.... If I knew that, I'd be managing Burnley!

I can't see a pattern to be honest; Hull and WHU: poor challenges - desperate defending? The 2 v Arsenal were similar - man getting free at the back post from a set piece, and you could also add the desperate defending argument about the challenge.

But these things have happened during normal time in other games as well; the goals v Man City at home has similarities to both of the above.

[ClaretTony]

We mentioned it yesterday, far too often this season we've conceded stoppage time goals at the end of the two halves.

[KRBFC]

First point: we don't "always" concede in injury time.

As for the reasons.... If I knew that, I'd be managing Burnley!

I can't see a pattern to be honest; Hull and WHU: poor challenges - desperate defending? The 2 v Arsenal were similar - man getting free at the back post from a set piece, and you could also add the desperate defending argument about the challenge.

But these things have happened during normal time in other games as well; the goals v Man City at home has similarities to both of the above.

I have named 7 occasions off the top of my head where we have conceded stoppage time goals, it's possible there is more that I have missed. It's certainly looks a big issue although I've no idea what it can be blamed on. If we get in at 1-0 Yesterday and not 2-0, the way we played 2nd half we have a chance. Exactly the same at West Ham, we gave them a soft penalty in stoppage time but we were the better side 2nd half.

[Bin Ont Turf]

It's not that big of an issue if we're talking about 7 goals out of 35 conceded.

Poor defending, poor closing down and not being able to keep the ball are more concerning for us when conceding these goals.

We'll never be perfect in this league though.

[Vegas Claret]

we concede because we don't retain the ball for long enough periods away from home, until we get better at that we will have the same issues.

[boatshed bill]

Yes, and it's too many.
Would be interesting to know how it compares with other teams in the lower half of the table.

[Top Claret]

Agree about the concentration levels. We certainly switched off when Hendrick got sent off.

[KRBFC]

I'm sure we conceded at Accy in stoppage time too? not that the mickey mouse cup matters much.

[Rileybobs]

On that betting advert Jurgen Klopp says the most common time for a goal is 92nd (I think) minute.

I think a fairly decent proportion of goals are conceded in stoppage time - considering it accounts for probably 6 minutes out of the 96 and one team has little to lose at that point in the second half. We have conceded a few goals towards the end of the first half though which has changed the complexion of a game.

[KRBFC]

On that betting advert Jurgen Klopp says the most common time for a goal is 92nd (I think) minute.

I think a fairly decent proportion of goals are conceded in stoppage time - considering it accounts for probably 6 minutes out of the 96 and one team has little to lose at that point in the second half. We have conceded a few goals towards the end of the first half though which has changed the complexion of a game.

Yeah it makes sense, the 45th and 90th are the longest ''minutes'' in football.

[Sidney1st]

The Arsenal goals shouldn't have stood.

[KRBFC]

The Arsenal goals shouldn't have stood.

But they did so they're still goals conceded in stoppage time.

[Diesel]

But they did so they're still goals conceded in stoppage time.

But they shouldn't have stood, they don't count.

[Leisure]

Conversely we've scored 3 this season in stoppage time and last season we scored 6 - swings and roundabouts!

[KRBFC]

Conversely we've scored 3 this season in stoppage time and last season we scored 6 - swings and roundabouts!

Conceded 10 in stoppage time, scored 4.

SCORED
Arfield +2 pts
Barnes +2 pts
Gray - 0
Vokes - swung the cup tie, Bristol never recovered after it.

CONCEDED

Accy - knocked us out of the mickey mouse cup.
Moses - (Chelsea 3rd) didn't matter.
Snodgrass -2pts
Slimani's - first completely changed the pattern of the game, a game which was even up until that point.
Koscienly -1pt
Afobe - didn't matter, we recovered well and regained control.
Daniels - made it a nervy final couple of minutes, we ultimately won though.
Noble - West Ham penalty, soft to give away, cost us points IMO, we more than held our own yet came away with nothing.
Sanchez - -1pt - referee gave it, although it shouldn't have stood, it did and cost us a point.
Niang - killed the game and gave us little chance of claiming anything, based on the 2nd half performance, had it of been 1-0 I'd of given us a fighting chance although I'm not sure how much was down to the Watford players switching off at 2-0 against 10 men.

Several times away from home, the time we concede has hurt us and knocked the stuffing out of us. I felt we were well in the game at West Ham/Leicester and we switch off for a second and the game is practically gone because our gameplan is out of the window and we struggle to react. If we don't concede before half time, the game plan continues into the 2nd half giving us a better chance of claiming something.

[Bin Ont Turf]

Here's what KBRFC actually thought of the Leicester game, absolutely no mention of it being 'a game which was even up until that point' (the first goal)........ have a good laugh at the Hull stuff people...............

Does anyone have any idea? Call it 442 451 or whatever you want its effectively a 9-0-1 and a big hoof to the isolated front man. 8 shots on target in 5 games. Painful to watch my club play this way.

Now you can say "oh well we played the Champions" but it was the same dire stuff last season and every game this season.

You can question "Dyche is doing the best with resources he has" but I then put forward Hull and Phelan, a side we finished above last season who haven't strengthened significantly they are minus crucial players like Mcgregor Dawson Diame Odubajo (4 guaranteed starters for them last season). Hull look an awful lot better than us, brave on the ball no fear and creating chances.

Awful no other words to put it, scared to push the team up the pitch, scared to pass forward scared to do anything other than park the bus and hoof it to nobody.
Zieler was sunbathing today on a deck chair

[Saxoman]

I'm sure we conceded at Accy in stoppage time too? not that the mickey mouse cup matters much.

Doesn't feel mickey mouse when you watch your team lift it. You should try it some time?

[tybfc]

Doesn't feel mickey mouse when you watch your team lift it. You should try it some time?

[Pstotto]

We all post stuff on here, but like a previous poster said, Dyche knows more about it and thinks more about it than we do.

[HunterST_BFC]

Any thread that has both Saxoman and KRBFC on is no longer worth reading.

Killers of the UTC Bee Hole End message board.

[KRBFC]

Here's what KBRFC actually thought of the Leicester game, absolutely no mention of it being 'a game which was even up until that point' (the first goal)........ have a good laugh at the Hull stuff people...............

What has the Hull game got to do with anything? i never said we were any good against Hull? I thought Hull at the time looked better equipped for a relegation scrap. The only thing I have said on this thread about that game is ''Snodgrass -2pts'' which is factual, the late goal Snodgrass scored cost us 2 points?

The Leicester game I see your point, I vented after the 2nd half performance and completely forgot the decent half an hour where despite creating very little, we were in the game. You can be well in the game despite not creating anything, Leicester created little and we had a few half decent opening but we didn't test Zieler, hence the Zieler was sunbathing today on a deck chair comment. He didn't have a save to make but the flow of the game wasn't all one way traffic until we conceded.

You can try and pick apart my posts all you want but at least use your brain in doing so. You seemingly added in my old quotes on the games while presuming I said we were good against Hull on this thread (which I never said or hinted) and god knows what you were trying to get at with the Leicester quotes, maybe you presumed I meant we battered Leicester when I said we were well in the game

[KRBFC]

Any thread that has both Saxoman and KRBFC on is no longer worth reading.

Killers of the UTC Bee Hole End message board.

I take it you don't think I raised a good point? I'm not slagging the team/Dyche off, this isn't a negative post in any way. I simply noticed it and wondered what other fans thought. It's a discussion and certainly not one intended to come across as negative.

[Bordeauxclaret]

This is the problem with krbfc's attention seeking over the last few months. He's been that busy with his "Dyche is a football dinosaur" rants that when he does make a valid point people are not interested.

[KRBFC]

This is the problem with krbfc's attention seeking over the last few months. He's been that busy with his "Dyche is a football dinosaur" rants that when he does make a valid point people are not interested.

I think the problem comes from people not reading posts fully and jumping to conclusions. It's not my fault if my posts mindf**k people into responding something completely irrelevant. BoT for example, I say ''Snodgrass -2pt'' and all of a sudden i'm contradicting myself where I said I thought Hull were better that day. I say on this thread ''we were well in the game at Leicester before we conceded'' but again BoT gets confused and accuses me of contradicting myself after I said ''Zieler was on a deck chair, sun bathing'', I really shouldn't have to explain it's pretty straight forward and simple stuff.

[KRBFC]

Another 2 to add to the list, Swansea (A) and Liverpool (A), it has to be a massive concern, the timing of the goal today completely changed the game IMO

[taio]

It certainly did change the game. I was desperate for us not to concede before half time.

[TheFamilyCat]

The inability to stop crosses coming in is a problem.

Not sure the timing is any more than coincidence.

[KRBFC]

I count 13 goals conceded in stoppage time this season (In all comps)

[Bordeauxclaret]

I think it's far more than a coincidence. Concentration has to be far better.

[BabylonClaret]

The inability to stop crosses coming in is a problem.

Not sure the timing is any more than coincidence.

No - crosses are going to come in - just like we get crosses in. We need to deal with them better - far too often there' been men free in the box or we've not put enough pressure on them.

Me''s unlucky the ball bobbles off him back to their player who then has time to take a touch and steer it in, but if he's tighter he doesn't get the space to do that.

[THEWELLERNUT70]

On that betting advert Jurgen Klopp says the most common time for a goal is 92nd (I think) minute.

I think a fairly decent proportion of goals are conceded in stoppage time - considering it accounts for probably 6 minutes out of the 96 and one team has little to lose at that point in the second half. We have conceded a few goals towards the end of the first half though which has changed the complexion of a game.

It's the 32nd minute Klopp mentions in the advert.

Hey-ho