Colin - "There are no good managers around"

[Chester Perry]

Thinks there is a lack of good managers in football outside the prem

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interesting perspective - can see a point given the number of teams that struggle to get out of the Championship with high levels of funding - but if true speaks ill of our game going forward - unless he only rates pragmatists like himself, Sam, Pulis and Sean

[Sidney1st]

So he decided that Wigan weren't a threat despite the bloke only being in the job 4-5 months?

From what he's saying, it appears it's the old "You can't have the job due to lack of experience" line, but how is someone meant to get the experience if they aren't given a chance?
Plenty of experienced championship managers have been potted, so I'd guess Colin is talking out of his arse.

[Lord Beamish]

He is right about Joyce, in my opinion. Joyce was like Phelan. Nice guy, great with the youngsters, but absolutely zero experience at managing Senior Pros in an environment where three or so losses in a row are going to put you under serious scrutiny.
Managers very rarely start at Championship level and get off to a flyer. They usually start in the lower leagues and work upwards. Look at Warnock's Career Path. If you're gonna step up from managing youth teams, or out of the shadow of an established Manager and take over at Championship level, you better have something special about you.

[Hipper]

The same could be said for Dyche when he took over at Watford, and then was released more for political reasons then any failure on his part. We still took a chance and fortunately it is paying off handsomely.

Another example is Gary Monk. He was appointed manager at Swansea with no experience. In his first full season he did rather well to say the least (finishing 8th). He was sacked half way through the following season after a bad run. Only now perhaps are they sorting themselves out on the pitch. Monk, now at Leeds, is again doing well.

Should Swansea have had more patience? Would Monk have kept them up? The consequences of relegation are so enormous that it seems the Swansea board couldn't take that risk.

If we get relegated this season I can see our board sensibly and rightly wanting to keep Dyche. However, if we stay up and then get off to a bad start next season, will our board support Dyche?

[Sidney1st]

If we get relegated this season I can see our board sensibly and rightly wanting to keep Dyche. However, if we stay up and then get off to a bad start next season, will our board support Dyche?

KRBFC will be there with his "Dyche out!!" placard and t-shirt either way.

[bob-the-scutter]

There will always be exceptions to Warnock`s view but in the main he`s correct. Derby, Forest, Wednsday, Wolves etc have yet to find someone with the competence to spend his way out of the championship, Leeds have possibly found one at long last and last season Boro bought everyone and their sink and only just scraped over the line with Kawanka.

[ElectroClaret]

Let's hope a recent appointee at a certain club not a million miles from
the Turf proves him right......

Starting with a downturn in form at Craven Cottage tonight
that signals a slump to the bottom.

[IAmAClaret]

If we get relegated this season I can see our board sensibly and rightly wanting to keep Dyche. However, if we stay up and then get off to a bad start next season, will our board support Dyche?

IF, and it's a big IF, that happens, I don't think it'd be the board who remove Dyche per se, it'll be a minority of 'fans', who always seem to have the louder voices.

In reality, I think a time will come when he feels he needs to move on to a new challenge, probably to someone like Everton (Koeman likely to go Barca in the summer)

[Chester Perry]

Can't see Everton going for a British Manager again for some time with their new owner - Kenwright might have gone for Sean but the new guy want's sexy and is spending to achieve it - the only British possibles - Eddie (won't move that far north again ever I feel) and Gary Monk (if he promotes Leeds and keeps them up) think Brendan Rodgers won't get the opportunity after being a Liverpool manager

[Sidney1st]

Can't see Everton going for a British Manager again for some time with their new owner - Kenwright might have gone for Sean but the new guy want's sexy and is spending to achieve it - the only British possibles - Eddie (won't move that far north again ever I feel) and Gary Monk (if he promotes Leeds and keeps them up) think Brendan Rodgers won't get the opportunity after being a Liverpool manager

Zola's next job then when Birmingham pot him.

[minnieclaret]

He is right about Joyce, in my opinion. Joyce was like Phelan. Nice guy, great with the youngsters, but absolutely zero experience at managing Senior Pros in an environment where three or so losses in a row are going to put you under serious scrutiny.
Managers very rarely start at Championship level and get off to a flyer. They usually start in the lower leagues and work upwards. Look at Warnock's Career Path. If you're gonna step up from managing youth teams, or out of the shadow of an established Manager and take over at Championship level, you better have something special about you.

Bit harsh. They were crap, that's why he got the job, he's had one window and they are still crap. Not his fault. They haven't had a goalscorer all year. Very highly rated after his work with Manures age groups.

[Sidney1st]

Is that because Will Griegs is no longer on fire?

[Chester Perry]

Zola's next job then when Birmingham pot him.

If you want foreign and sexy from the championship I would look at Huddersfield and Fulham - but that will not be where Everton look now.

[Colburn_Claret]

I've always had a bug bear about the FA and it's coaching badges. You can't manage unless you acquire them smacks of protectionism and jobs for the boys. The result is a long list of clones trying the same tired things. I'd prefer a manager who breaks the mould and finds his own way of training and playing football, but to be that you have to be foreign apparently. It's no wonder there are so many foreign coaches in English football.

[ClaretTony]

He is right about Joyce, in my opinion. Joyce was like Phelan. Nice guy, great with the youngsters, but absolutely zero experience at managing Senior Pros in an environment where three or so losses in a row are going to put you under serious scrutiny.
Managers very rarely start at Championship level and get off to a flyer. They usually start in the lower leagues and work upwards. Look at Warnock's Career Path. If you're gonna step up from managing youth teams, or out of the shadow of an established Manager and take over at Championship level, you better have something special about you.

Joyce actually got his first managerial job in League Two with Hull but that's some years ago. I haven't followed his few months at Wigan that closely but I couldn't agree more with Lord Beamish given how long he's been working below first team level.

As for Micky Phelan. Every time the Burnley job's been vacant in the last goodness knows how many years he's been linked with it. Really good bloke is Micky but I doubt he'd be linked with it now after his difficult time at Hull.

[TheFamilyCat]

I know Phelan gets linked by fans and (probably lazy) journalists but has he ever actually been in the running?

I was told he didn't fancy the Burnley job but that was a few years ago now.