Fruit machines

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:13 am

For 10 consecutive spins where the same colour comes out is around 1000/1

It probably happens once every hour on the 5-10 roulette wheels in a casino. ( even more so on a computer in the bookies per day )

How many 1000/1 bets do you know that come in? Every blue moon, not every day...

My mate works in a bookies and after 4/5 weeks I said have you any tips for the machines when they pay etc.

He said he had worked there 5 weeks, possibly 25 shifts and only once has 1 machine been out of pocket for the day... there was 4 machines in the shop.
Tells you everything you need to know.

Still throw a 5er / 10er in if I go to put my football bet on. I'll either win 20 or 30 quid and it's paid for my bets and a couple of pints, or I've lost £20 and as I do no other gambling at all I'm happy with that.
I only do coupons if not going on the match as it's fun to watch Jeff and the boys with a couple of bets.

1 thing I know, is I'm up for the season with gambling, so my one a month flutter keeps be in control and satisfied

IndigoLake · Post by **IndigoLake** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:28 am

Never had an issue with gambling fortunately. Used to bet on football games online now and then but didn't really have much to lose. Went to the Barcelona casino twice. I used the Martingale system of doubling my bet after each loss. It actually worked pretty well the first time and I made decent money. The lure of the casino and making 'easy money' had me back just weeks later and I lost it all within a few minutes. Black came up about 15 times in a row. My 'logic' was that red would come up soon because it couldn't be black so many times. Greenmile is right though - there's no reason why such a pattern is any more or any less likely than it being one of the many, many other patterns. I guess the best way to look at it is that there is no pattern. The red and black reset after every spin and are 50/50, no matter how you try to analyse the previous spins. Of course the game is in the house's favour anyway with the '0' so you're bound to lose eventually, even if you start off well.

edlass · Post by **edlass** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:48 am

My story is quite recent and not that extreme, but still had me feeling gutted.

In June last year i went to the casino in Manchester for the first time ever. I turned £10 to £110 (small time i know but its big for me).

I called home and said i was done, i left early and went home with the buzz and treated my (small) family to a meal.

I managed to keep a lid on it until a few months later. i have a coral online account and each month i stick a fiver in to have a few £1 a week football bets. I realized there was a roulette wheel and couldn't help myself. £5 became £10 and then i lost it quickly and stopped. A month later i put £10 in and lost it all on 50p bets. Then i noticed there had been at least 10 reds in a row. I started betting £5 on black and lost another £15. I stopped, the tabled looked silly. the last results were all red or 0!.

Fast forward to cheltenham, i think its safe so i stick a fiver in on Thursday and amazingly i turn it into £32 and have lots of fun betting small time. I tell my wife and she is pleased joking lunch this weekend is on me. Then at night i inexplicably bet it all on the online Roulette!!!

First i bet the odd £2 and its still red. so i do £5, red, £5, zero, so then i think sod it £10, red, Sod it! last £10... red. All gone. Still not told my wife but i felt so crap. The next day i put in another £10 to bet on the horses but it wasnt fun anymore, i actually needed the win. in the end i was on £4 quid, so i went on the roulette and put it on red and even, sure enough 5 black..... never again

IndigoLake · Post by **IndigoLake** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 9:08 am

edlass wrote:My story is quite recent and not that extreme, but still had me feeling gutted.

In June last year i went to the casino in Manchester for the first time ever. I turned £10 to £110 (small time i know but its big for me).

I called home and said i was done, i left early and went home with the buzz and treated my (small) family to a meal.

I managed to keep a lid on it until a few months later. i have a coral online account and each month i stick a fiver in to have a few £1 a week football bets. I realized there was a roulette wheel and couldn't help myself. £5 became £10 and then i lost it quickly and stopped. A month later i put £10 in and lost it all on 50p bets. Then i noticed there had been at least 10 reds in a row. I started betting £5 on black and lost another £15. I stopped, the tabled looked silly. the last results were all red or 0!.

Fast forward to cheltenham, i think its safe so i stick a fiver in on Thursday and amazingly i turn it into £32 and have lots of fun betting small time. I tell my wife and she is pleased joking lunch this weekend is on me. Then at night i inexplicably bet it all on the online Roulette!!!

First i bet the odd £2 and its still red. so i do £5, red, £5, zero, so then i think sod it £10, red, Sod it! last £10... red. All gone. Still not told my wife but i felt so crap. The next day i put in another £10 to bet on the horses but it wasnt fun anymore, i actually needed the win. in the end i was on £4 quid, so i went on the roulette and put it on red and even, sure enough 5 black..... never again

I have a feeling that the online roulette is massively fixed. Can't prove it though! I'd definitely steer clear!

SammyBoy · Post by **SammyBoy** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 10:03 am

I went out with some lads I know in Great Harwood on a couple of occasions and both times one of the guys present won £75-£100 on the fruit machines, he seemed to know exactly what he was doing and I was really impressed. After his second victory I approached him and asked how he did it and what the secret was, he replied 'well first of all mate you have to lose about ten grand on them, then you sort of pick up a few things about what you should be pressing..".

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 10:17 am

PaintYorkClaretnBlue wrote:It isn't. For that one particular roll the chances of a red are exactly the same as a black. If you ignore the zero that chance (or probability) is 1/2. The probability of hitting a red three times in a row is much smaller i.e. 1/2*1/2*1/2 = 1/8 so the probability or hitting a particular sequence is very small at the outset the probability of hitting the red or the black in the next roll is the same.

That's different if what you hit is removed, e.g. Cards. The probability of hitting red or black in cards is 26/52 (1/2). If the card that you hit (red for example) is removed the probability of getting another red goes down i.e. 25/52 whereas black is still 26/52. As you can see, black has a better chance of being picked next.

Surely if red is removed it becomes 26/51 for black? And 25/51 red?

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 10:17 am

Sproggy wrote:If you remove the card, the odds 2nd time are 25/51 red and 26/51 black. The odds of drawing 2 reds are 26/52 × 25/51. The joys of having to learn O Level probability to help my lad with his GCSE's!

beat me to it.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 10:18 am

i stand corrected on the law of averages but i am still sure I am right

and I am not even a gambler.

i understand the machine doesnt know what came it last but thats why its a law of average and not a guarantee.

Herts Clarets · Post by **Herts Clarets** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 10:34 am

One of my longest standing friends, who i lost touch with for a while has a huge gambling problem. We used to play blackjack at school for lose change. Then he moved on to fruit machines then horses when old enough. Last time i spoke to him, he revealed the extent of his problem. It cost him his marriage and his house. At one point he had a 6 figure balance in one bookies account. It would have cleared his debts and put him back on his feet. But as he aid, he is a gambler. The £1 can become a tenner, that a hindred, that a grand and so on. That is how he had £100k+. So that can become £1m. Except it didn't. If became nowt. Personally i couldn't live with myself if i lisy that sort of money. To him it was winnings so didn't matter.

I also know a bloke who worked for someone i know in business and set up a scam. He fleeced one of the contracts on site out of £80k. It was paid back by the bloke's company, then the individual sold his house to pay back his boss. He was gambling big time on horses and as ever we only heard of his wins.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 10:46 am

I used to be semi-addicted to them, around 20 years or so ago. You could 'force' some machines, which basically meant you found out the true current balance of the machine and then keep throwing money at it, rejecting every gamble it gave you. Assuming the internal balance was above a certain number, the machine would then more often than not, drop the jackpot or near to it. There was more to it than that of course, but that was most of it. So you could wait for the average Joe to come and play it; lose; then go on once the limit was near and drop it. Then there were things to look for such as the minimum drop % which is legally the lowest amount of money back the machine dropped. 99.9% of people don't look at it, so you could increase your chances by only playing machines above a certain % too.

I don't think I've been on one in around 15 years though as it got to a point where I were having dreams/nightmares about the bloody things. Fine for a bit of a play now and again, but be careful not to get addicted to the things.

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:44 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote:i stand corrected on the law of averages but i am still sure I am right and I am not even a gambler.

i understand the machine doesnt know what came it last but thats why its a law of average and not a guarantee.

I'm going to try one more time, as you still don't seem entirely convinced (although I'm not entirely sure what the green smiley face is supposed to indicate, so apologies if I have misunderstood)

The law of averages would say that if you spin a roulette wheel 100 times, it's more likely to come up red 50ish times and black 50ish, than 100 reds (ignoring the 0/00, for the sake of simplicity). That's because there's only one possible sequence that would give you 100 reds (RRRRRR...etc), but there's loads that would give a 50/50 split (RBRBRBRB...etc, RRBBRRBB...etc, to name but two of them)

There's nothing to tell you what order the results are more likely to come out as, and past results have no influence.

The probability of the exact sequence of 99 reds followed by a black is exactly the same as 100 reds in a row.

It doesn't feel logical and that's why the gambler's fallacy is a thing, but it really is when you think about it. It's one of the most important things to understand if you are going to gamble on games of chance.

Longsidebovril · Post by **Longsidebovril** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 12:32 pm

Don't forget roulette wheels have one, if not two zeros. Which tips the odds ever so slightly in the houses favour, on a 50/50 bet

cutsy123 · Post by **cutsy123** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 1:33 pm

I used to love playing the big cheese in the old sidewalk

And the ones in the old concert artists on a college dinner

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