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Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Tue Mar 28, 2017 4:04 pm

Seeing as you sit on a few supporter committee's and have a bit of a say with the club, Can you suggest after the early bird deadline or seat swap week at a push that a ticket office worker goes through the seating plan and where possible budge people up a seat to get rid of all the single seats?

It seems the last 300 seats to sell are always single seats that would sell faster if they were in pairs where possible. Not that much hassle for people to budge up one seat where needed. Not really an issue in the championship but we are near to sell out most games in the premier league.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Tue Mar 28, 2017 4:07 pm

That's a valid point, especially when you look at JMU where you have to purchase a kids ticket at the same time and there are single seats all over the place.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Tue Mar 28, 2017 5:13 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:Seeing as you sit on a few supporter committee's and have a bit of a say with the club, Can you suggest after the early bird deadline or seat swap week at a push that a ticket office worker goes through the seating plan and where possible budge people up a seat to get rid of all the single seats?

It seems the last 300 seats to sell are always single seats that would sell faster if they were in pairs where possible. Not that much hassle for people to budge up one seat where needed. Not really an issue in the championship but we are near to sell out most games in the premier league.

You are basically asking season ticket holders to move seats from the one they've chosen. That's not going to happen.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Tue Mar 28, 2017 5:25 pm

ClaretTony wrote:You are basically asking season ticket holders to move seats from the one they've chosen. That's not going to happen.

Only by one seat, not a different stand.

Is there anymore suggestions of how to get rid of single seats?

They have a system for walk ups that you can't buy seats that leave a single on it's own maybe they should have that in place for STs from next season then. Warn fans they may have to move seats beforehand.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Tue Mar 28, 2017 5:30 pm

ClaretTony wrote:You are basically asking season ticket holders to move seats from the one they've chosen. That's not going to happen.

Think its a very valid and logical suggestion. Theres very little if any difference in view from one seat to the next. Only issue is if it seperates people from who they have chose to sit with. Which if done properly wouldnt need to happen.

Id move up if it meant two people could sit together.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Tue Mar 28, 2017 5:31 pm

Also i like many am only bothered about the section i sit. Not which seat. So i would move if i had to providing I was roughly in same area.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Tue Mar 28, 2017 5:38 pm

The way it would work is-@ empty seat 0 occupied seat.
@000000@ The six occupied seats move either left or right one seat to have @@000000 or 000000@@

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Tue Mar 28, 2017 5:47 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:Seeing as you sit on a few supporter committee's and have a bit of a say with the club, Can you suggest after the early bird deadline or seat swap week at a push that a ticket office worker goes through the seating plan and where possible budge people up a seat to get rid of all the single seats?

It seems the last 300 seats to sell are always single seats that would sell faster if they were in pairs where possible. Not that much hassle for people to budge up one seat where needed. Not really an issue in the championship but we are near to sell out most games in the premier league.

Seems a valid suggestion to me and I certainly wouldn't mind moving up a seat.

boyyanno · Post by **boyyanno** » Tue Mar 28, 2017 5:51 pm

This is definitely one of the better suggestions on here in a while. I think it would certainly help to sell more tickets and encourage more people to attend the games. I wouldn't expect many fans minding moving a seat if it meant a bigger crowd. Strange response from CT, would you not move a seat to encourage more on?

ClaretAL · Post by **ClaretAL** » Tue Mar 28, 2017 6:01 pm

We have the opposite situation next to our 2 seats in NU5 there are 2 empty seats that have on my opinion a prestigious view but only 1 person sits there and it's someone different every match

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Tue Mar 28, 2017 6:02 pm

boyyanno wrote:Strange response from CT, would you not move a seat to encourage more on?

Not strange at all. Season ticket holders choose their seats, simple as that.

Sean Dyche's Watch · Post by **Sean Dyche's Watch** » Tue Mar 28, 2017 6:07 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Not strange at all. Season ticket holders choose their seats, simple as that.

Unless they've specifically chosen the end of an aisle for medical reasons, I would suggest that most season ticket holders have chosen the general area they would like to sit rather than a particular seat. That's certainly what I did 13 years ago, it just so happens that I have stayed the same seat each season since.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Tue Mar 28, 2017 6:24 pm

I've been in the same seat for years and won't be budging.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Tue Mar 28, 2017 6:26 pm

He is entitled to his opinion as are others. It's probably best I contact the club myself and see what they think.

Herts Clarets · Post by **Herts Clarets** » Tue Mar 28, 2017 6:30 pm

Its a good idea and wouldn't take too much effort to make it work. The worst that can happen is a few people will move ONE SEAT in either direction, but still remain sat next to the same person.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Tue Mar 28, 2017 6:35 pm

How many nosey b4stards are there on here?

All opening a thread aimed for someone else, then having the front to comment on it?

Shocking.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Tue Mar 28, 2017 6:39 pm

Sean Dyche's Watch wrote:Unless they've specifically chosen the end of an aisle for medical reasons, I would suggest that most season ticket holders have chosen the general area they would like to sit rather than a particular seat. That's certainly what I did 13 years ago, it just so happens that I have stayed the same seat each season since.

Exactly the same as me and everyone I know.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Tue Mar 28, 2017 6:46 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:He is entitled to his opinion as are others. It's probably best I contact the club myself and see what they think.

I seriously think you would have a lot of opposition. People get used to where they are, they may sit behind or in front of someone and don't wish to move on a seat. Season ticket holders choose a seat, not a row or a part of the ground.

By all means contact the club, not sure what response you'll get but I think it would be very difficult trying to implement it.

It's a bit like going to an away game when it is unreserved seating though, you end up with single seats all over.

NRC · Post by **NRC** » Tue Mar 28, 2017 6:52 pm

I'm a little lost. A season ticket holders buys access to a seat, they don't own it, it's leased per se. I can't imagine there's a clause "rights to the same frikkin seat" written into the terms and conditions

Barry_Chuckle · Post by **Barry_Chuckle** » Tue Mar 28, 2017 7:00 pm

I'd be happy to move but I can't see the club taking this up, all those affected would would need to be issued with a new ST card, this could cost a pretty penny!

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Tue Mar 28, 2017 7:03 pm

Quite logical when you think about it.

paulatky · Post by **paulatky** » Tue Mar 28, 2017 7:25 pm

I think Tony's replies sum up whats wrong with a lot of people who sit on committees i.e put their own agendas before the general good.
Best suggestion I have heard in a long time but gets dismissed out of hand by Tony.

There in lies a problem.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Tue Mar 28, 2017 7:30 pm

Give everyone 12 months notice and then implement it.
Gives people time to have their rant and get it out of their system.
Eventually they'd see the sense in it, especially if they're only moving a seat one way or the other.

Of course people will resist change, that's natural.

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Tue Mar 28, 2017 7:35 pm

I had 2 STs for both 2014/15 and 2015/16 seasons. I got to the Turf for two games both those seasons - saw most of the "away" games in South East.
So, my two seats in JHU were "empty" most games. When I got up for one game I found some other guys had decided they preferred my seats. No problem I just asked where their seats were and moved there.

I'm sure we'd all prefer a full ground.

wilks_bfc · Post by **wilks_bfc** » Tue Mar 28, 2017 8:07 pm

We use to be a group of 4 but due to one of us moving away are now a group of 3.

The one that left was one of the "middle two" and we haven't changed seats.

The single seat was taken during 2015/16 by a STH and on his first game we arranged to do an unofficial swap.

Easy peasy. Job done

Goody1975 · Post by **Goody1975** » Tue Mar 28, 2017 8:15 pm

What the club could do is send a letter out to the fairly small number of season ticket holders this would affect and ask them if they would considering moving along one seat to enable another family to attend.

If they don't reply then nothing is lost, if they agree then it may encourage another long term family season ticket holder to attend games.

Worth a try.

Croydon Claret · Post by **Croydon Claret** » Tue Mar 28, 2017 8:18 pm

Most London theatres won't allow you to buy seats and leave a single seat on its own in the middle of an aisle

Even if they think it's too much trouble to try and move people by one seat this year then they should try to implement something similar next year.

Great suggestion by the way, only people who should object are those who are one seat away from a terrible view

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Tue Mar 28, 2017 8:54 pm

paulatky wrote:I think Tony's replies sum up whats wrong with a lot of people who sit on committees i.e put their own agendas before the general good.
Best suggestion I have heard in a long time but gets dismissed out of hand by Tony.

There in lies a problem.

What an absolutely ridiculous comment. You think it's a good suggestion but I don't think it's a workable idea. So you then use my name and refer to agendas. Pathetic, absolutely pathetic.

As it happens my view is a personal one which I was asked for and nothing to do with committees.

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Tue Mar 28, 2017 10:33 pm

Not a bad idea but you'd always get a handful of people set in there ways being sat in there same old seat for years almost as tradition & some people would object. Me personally I don't mind sitting near or next to the empty seats as there's more room to shuffle about I feel claustrophobic when it's too congested almost penned in.

Jeffbfc · Post by **Jeffbfc** » Tue Mar 28, 2017 10:33 pm

Having had the same seat for 16 years ish.
Due to its position I wouldn't want to move.
It's ok saying only moving one seat, but in theory a seat could become empty either side of you ( 3 seats away left or right) every season.
At what point do you stop moving people.
With that logic you could basically go from the halfway line to the corner flag.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Tue Mar 28, 2017 10:42 pm

Jeffbfc wrote:Having had the same seat for 16 years ish.
Due to its position I wouldn't want to move.
It's ok saying only moving one seat, but in theory a seat could become empty either side of you ( 3 seats away left or right) every season.
At what point do you stop moving people.
With that logic you could basically go from the halfway line to the corner flag.

You wouldnt because your seat would still be your seat and you are moving temporarily. If another seat then needs filling the process would change. You would only ever move back, forward or sideways in one direction - but like the king on a chess board

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Tue Mar 28, 2017 10:49 pm

my seat is my lucky seat, seriously !
Also,fans go on in dribs and drabs, often people will be on certain matches and not others , even with a season ticket. Circumstances get in the way.
There's alaways gaps everywhere. For some inexplicable reason early this season, about five seats on my row were not taken when they are usually all full. It doesnt seem to matter whether we sell out or not, theres always empty blocks at the lower part of the Longside too.
If we all moved back, it wouldnt prevent anything much. Just because there would in theory be full rows available furhter down, they wouldnt suddenly attract the imagined new fans you talked about. I'm happy as it is thanks.

Jeffbfc · Post by **Jeffbfc** » Tue Mar 28, 2017 10:49 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:You wouldnt because your seat would still be your seat and you are moving temporarily. If another seat then needs filling the process would change. You would only ever move back, forward or sideways in one direction - but like the king on a chess board

No that's not what they are saying.
Move seats to get rid of single seats.
If two seats are empty on the same row block, and a NEW season ticket holder wants two together you are asking for other people to move.
Yes just moving within a block maybe.
But it's not a game per game situation.
It would be chaos trying to move people every week for some one to have seats together.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Tue Mar 28, 2017 10:54 pm

They wouldn't do it every week, it isn't logical.

When season tickets are ordered the system should be in place that doesn't allow you to leave singular seats.
My local cinema has something on their website that doesn't let you pick the middle seat in a bunch of 3 for example.
It would make sense to do the same at football grounds, but with 12 months notice of implementation or something similar.
Give people time to say goodbye or get used to the idea.

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Tue Mar 28, 2017 10:55 pm

how about an overhead crane controlled from a camera room, just descends and plucks the relevant fans out of their seat, then plops them down neatly in a nice compact row ? You might just be having a pie and a chat, then suddenly Whoosh !!! off you go.

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Tue Mar 28, 2017 10:56 pm

It's like creating a solution to a problem that doesn't exist. Things are fine the way there are. It would cause arguments & be a nightmare to change game to game as people don't always attend game to game. For all the good that would come out of it far too much hassle.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Tue Mar 28, 2017 11:01 pm

Thats why it shouldn't be on a game by game basis for season tickets.

Easy system to implement, as I've explained other companies do it with no fuss.

Jeffbfc · Post by **Jeffbfc** » Tue Mar 28, 2017 11:03 pm

Sidney1st wrote:They wouldn't do it every week, it isn't logical.

When season tickets are ordered the system should be in place that doesn't allow you to leave singular seats.
My local cinema has something on their website that doesn't let you pick the middle seat in a bunch of 3 for example.
It would make sense to do the same at football grounds, but with 12 months notice of implementation or something similar.
Give people time to say goodbye or get used to the idea.

The difference is Sid its not the cinema.
And as we all know the difference on season ticket sales for the Prem or the Championship is completely different.
Why should anyone have to move when the Premier league brigade show up and more than likely disapear again as they have in the past .

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Tue Mar 28, 2017 11:04 pm

Sidney1st wrote:Thats why it shouldn't be on a game by game basis for season tickets.

Easy system to implement, as I've explained other companies do it with no fuss.

It's doable to a degree. The big question would be would it alienate more people than it encourages some people just don't want to move.

paulatky · Post by **paulatky** » Tue Mar 28, 2017 11:08 pm

Jakupclaret,it would not be game to game,it would be for the season.
People are already doing this on a voluntary basis every game to accomodate people to sit together.
Doesnt need to be compulsory ,just write to those affected and ask if they mind.If they do mind dint make them move.

Tony I dont want an argument but your comment on my post is a bit hypocritical when you have earlier written

"You are basically asking season ticket holders to move seats from the one they've chosen. That's not going to happen."

You assume everyone is like you and wont move but I bet in reality at least 50% of those asked would be prepared to move one seat.

If you are prepared to speak on behalf of others dont get upset when someone questions what you say.

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Tue Mar 28, 2017 11:16 pm

I'm well aware of that just because I have a season ticket doesn't mean I compulsory attend every game the bulk yes. I don't mind moving if asked I wouldn't like to be told where to sit like I said I don't mind the empty seats I prefer sitting near or next to them whenever possible at my own discretion. Hope that's covered everything.

Jeffbfc · Post by **Jeffbfc** » Tue Mar 28, 2017 11:20 pm

paulatky wrote: You assume everyone is like you and wont move but I bet in reality at least 50% of those asked would be prepared to move one seat.

I wouldn't be happy moving, and like I said earlier how many times do you ask people to move, every next season.
You want to move your seat every season no problem you carry on.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Tue Mar 28, 2017 11:42 pm

This reminds me of the discussion about away ticket allocations.

The haves don't want to budge to help the have nots

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Tue Mar 28, 2017 11:45 pm

They could put something in limiting how far you could be moved I suppose.

No more then 2-3 seats in any direction?

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Tue Mar 28, 2017 11:51 pm

I've never minded being next to an empty seat, can spread my legs out to protect my tackle.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Tue Mar 28, 2017 11:57 pm

I didn't post this for people to get personal with each other, so please try and refrain. It was always likely people who have their seats over10 years wouldn't like to move but the chances are these people are in the premium seats that are all sold out so wouldn't be affected.
In theory once the single tickets are sorted it should be done with the technology the club has in place for walk ons.

tybfc · Post by **tybfc** » Tue Mar 28, 2017 11:57 pm

I moved my seat one place two seasons ago to allow a spare seat next to the lady who I sat next to and wanted to invite a friend.

The trouble is I have ended up being sat next to flixtonclaret so I should be due a refund !

Great idea in my opinion.

Ask ST holders and if they are willing to move all well and good if not leave them where they are.

Offer them 100 points for moving?

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Wed Mar 29, 2017 12:15 am

Can't see any problem with what appears to me to be a sensible idea.
And surely the point is - if asked to move you can either agree or decline.
Can't be made compulsory in my view, since it might put you behind a pillar in Bob Lord, or you might need an aisle seat.
Where I sit, moving one seat either way wouldn't concern me one bit, (although it might be of great concern to the person that I was moved next to!)

SingaporeClarets · Post by **SingaporeClarets** » Wed Mar 29, 2017 3:40 am

As it potentially generates more income - if the club ask you to budge up 1 or 2 seats, as suggested either extra points or a small discount on your ST renewal?

Nobody is being forced then.

If you want to be stubborn about 1 seat difference ruining your view then you the you forfeit the offered benefit, everyone's happy.

NRC · Post by **NRC** » Wed Mar 29, 2017 6:19 am

Saxoman wrote:I've never minded being next to an empty seat, can spread my legs out to protect my tackle.

There'd be plenty opportunity to test that theory, saxo, if only you went on..