Holland.

[Saxoman]

I was viewing their line up tonight, and thought to myself.. Is this the worst dutch side for generations? When wjnaldum is a star player, your pretty poor.

[Sidney1st]

Friendly wasn't it?
The game I mean

[Saxoman]

Friendly wasn't it?
The game I mean

Yes, but nonetheless, Hollands team used to be packed with household names. I haven't a clue who any of their players are these days. What's happened to the ajax youth production line? I reckon they are going through a lean time.

[Sidney1st]

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[Sidney1st]

Some good players in there still, but its becoming more common that a lot of international teams that were packed with Star players when we were younger no longer are.

[Hipper]

I've never heard of any of the Italian players either (except Buffon).

Who's Immobile - sounds like an old fashioned centre-half. I notice though that they have (nearly) a philosopher, a composer and a dessert specialist on the subs bench.

[cutsy123]

I've never heard of any of the Italian players either (except Buffon).

Who's Immobile - sounds like an old fashioned centre-half. I notice though that they have (nearly) a philosopher, a composer and a dessert specialist on the subs bench.

Shows how much you know then...

Immobile is a fantastic player. Was at dortmund a few seasons bk. Lazio now

How about veratti etc?

[minnieclaret]

Holland going through a tough time, lack of talent. It's happened to every country, except Germany.

[Steve1956]

Three quid a pop on the Turf...leagalised robbery.

[boiledclaret]

Holland going through a tough time, lack of talent. It's happened to every country, except Germany.

Germany had a bad spell for a while. I remember Shearer scoring a winner against them in the Euro's when they looked at their poorest. They came back from it big time, as will the Dutch.

[FCBurnley]

They make great pies though

[Buxtonclaret]

The Germans bad spell didn't last long, though they did have one.
They also have a league that isn't massively populated by hugely overpaid imports.

But still think Holland have much more 'comeback' chance than the OPs club.

[minnieclaret]

Germany had a bad spell for a while. I remember Shearer scoring a winner against them in the Euro's when they looked at their poorest. They came back from it big time, as will the Dutch.

1997-2006 was there worst spell and even then they were decent.

[boiledclaret]

1997-2006 was there worst spell and even then they were decent.

A bad German side would be beaten finalists (like in 2002) or beaten semi finalists. So I reckon you're right. I do recall them having a bad Euro, 2000, I think it was, but apart from that they've either been good, very good or very very good.

[Saxoman]

Carstan jancker. Say no more.

[HendricksHair]

I've never heard of any of the Italian players either (except Buffon).

Who's Immobile - sounds like an old fashioned centre-half. I notice though that they have (nearly) a philosopher, a composer and a dessert specialist on the subs bench.

Donnarruma is one of the biggest talents in the game at the min, debut for AC Milan at 16 and has been their No.1 since then.