Steven Defour and Jack Wilshere

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 7:38 pm

Injury records aside, both very similar players, interesting to see Wilshere come on against Southampton in the center of midfield and totally dominate, he transformed Bournemouth, who should gone on to win, where as Defour against Spurs.....

Shore claret · Post by **Shore claret** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 7:40 pm

If defour is fit we simply have to play him.

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 7:41 pm

Shore claret wrote:If defour is fit we simply have to play him.

...and not on the left side of mid ******* field!

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 7:46 pm

If Defour can't get a game in central midfield after Barton and Hendrick's performance today he might as well jump on the plane back to Belgium.

Winstonswhite · Post by **Winstonswhite** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 7:47 pm

I thought exactly the same. Not judging at all because I think Dyche is the better manager/ but shows the different mentality and why a lot of Burnley fans are frustrated when Defour and Brady only come on when two goals down.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 7:47 pm

How often is Wilshire putting in match changing performances?

Its not often is it from memory?

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 7:50 pm

Less than an hour ago, Sid.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 7:50 pm

a Belgian international with over 50 caps cant get in our side

laughable, i'd sack Dyche now and get that fella from Hull in. Enoughs enough im sick of paying to watch my team so useless at everything but defending in numbers and scoring from set pieces. We have 30% of the ball every game no matter who we're playing against, we make sh*te like Swansea look like Barcelona. Wheres the enjoyment in watching your side sit deep and cling on every game? I was bored sh*tless today after 60 minutes, like watching paint dry.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 7:54 pm

I dont give a toss what people think of my opinion but I want to see Defour dictating the tempo, Brady down the left not this "boot it up too a couple of carthorses and hope it hits an arsecheek and rolls in the net", its football not a team marathon so get these useless runners out.

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 7:56 pm

KRBFC wrote:a Belgian international with over 50 caps cant get in our side laughable, i'd sack Dyche now and get that fella from Hull in. Enoughs enough im sick of paying to watch my team so useless at everything but defending in numbers and scoring from set pieces. We have 30% of the ball every game no matter who we're playing against, we make sh*te like Swansea look like Barcelona. Wheres the enjoyment in watching hyour side sit deep and cling on every game? I was bored sh*tless today after 60 minutes, like watching paint dry.

No, you don't understand the very simple fundermentals of this thread, please don't use it to cast your stinking, putrid bait.

chorleyhere · Post by **chorleyhere** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 7:57 pm

Disappointing today, some of the passing lacked finesse and Hendrick's clearance to Dier was DIRE (see what I did there?) We weren't really at the races in the 2nd half and we need to give subs longer to settle and affect the game. Taking off Andre let their defence off the leash and helped them boss midfield too leaving our front two with scraps, About time a ref gave us another penalty for shirt pulling in the first half by Dier and Vertigo...though.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 7:58 pm

I doubt we'd get the bloke from Hull in, he's currently employed.

Are Hull safe by the way?

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 8:17 pm

Sidney1st wrote:I doubt we'd get the bloke from Hull in, he's currently employed.

Are Hull safe by the way?

they were doomed to relegation before a ball was kicked that's why Bruce left. If Silva keeps them up he'll be considered a far better manager than Yawn Dyche. Silva may fancy his chances here with a better squad of players, the stability at board level we have and the current points cushion on Hull.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 8:24 pm

Wilshere

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 8:26 pm

Well what were the chances of KBRFC posting sh1te after a defeat?

Didn't see that coming.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 8:27 pm

KRBFC wrote:I dont give a toss what people think of my opinion but I want to see Defour dictating the tempo, Brady down the left not this "boot it up too a couple of carthorses and hope it hits an arsecheek and rolls in the net", its football not a team marathon so get these useless runners out.

If you want to play Barcelona football, get Barcelona players. Don't try it without them.
'I will show you a hundred horror stories of people that said they were going to play Barcelona football. They were out of work within three, six, nine months.
'I look at it simply. Look at the players you have got, don't dream of the ones you haven't. Give them the best chance to operate

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 8:29 pm

Tall Paul wrote:Wilshere

I thought it didn't look right.

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 8:30 pm

KRBFC wrote:a Belgian international with over 50 caps cant get in our side laughable, i'd sack Dyche now and get that fella from Hull in. Enoughs enough im sick of paying to watch my team so useless at everything but defending in numbers and scoring from set pieces. We have 30% of the ball every game no matter who we're playing against, we make sh*te like Swansea look like Barcelona. Wheres the enjoyment in watching your side sit deep and cling on every game? I was bored sh*tless today after 60 minutes, like watching paint dry.

Substitute dyche for allardyce and you could be talking about too many of our fans views during Sam's time at ewood.

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 8:34 pm

Tall Paul wrote:If you want to play Barcelona football, get Barcelona players. Don't try it without them.
'I will show you a hundred horror stories of people that said they were going to play Barcelona football. They were out of work within three, six, nine months.
'I look at it simply. Look at the players you have got, don't dream of the ones you haven't. Give them the best chance to operate

The problem lies wherein dyche only signs players for that type of football(the much mentioned 'framework') and doesn't evolve I think.

He could very well be a one trick pony, but its a good trick!

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 8:36 pm

Tall Paul wrote:If you want to play Barcelona football, get Barcelona players. Don't try it without them.
'I will show you a hundred horror stories of people that said they were going to play Barcelona football. They were out of work within three, six, nine months.
'I look at it simply. Look at the players you have got, don't dream of the ones you haven't. Give them the best chance to operate

Who said anything about wanting to play like Barcelona? there's a huge difference between playing like Barca and playing like we do. Coyle's Burnley were exciting attacking and he didn't have a £10m striker upfront and a subs bench worth £30m. Your point is a stupid one, it's not only Barca who can pass a ball and retain more than 30% possession a game.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 8:39 pm

Tuesday will rectify matters.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 8:40 pm

You've been crying about Dyche for well over a year now.
I'm amazed you can afford the tissues and still go on.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 8:43 pm

KRBFC wrote:Who said anything about wanting to play like Barcelona? there's a huge difference between playing like Barca and playing like we do. Coyle's Burnley were exciting attacking and he didn't have a £10m striker upfront and a subs bench worth £30m. Your point is a stupid one, it's not only Barca who can pass a ball and retain more than 30% possession a game.

Coyle's Burnley got relegated.

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 8:48 pm

and Coyles Bolton oh and Coyles Wigan, Blackburn?

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 8:52 pm

IanMcL wrote:Tuesday will rectify matters.

You wonder why opposition fans love to see you lose.. Put 'hopefully' in front, and its an entirely different comment.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 8:54 pm

Tall Paul wrote:Coyle's Burnley got relegated.

No they didn't though, at least talk some sense. It was actually Dyche's Burnley that were relegated.
Go compare the amount spent by both Dyche and Coyle, look at the two teams on paper. Coyle had a 40 year old fullback in midfield playing like Seedorf, Dyche has a Belgian international frozen out.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 8:56 pm

Diesel wrote:and Coyles Bolton oh and Coyles Wigan, Blackburn?

why do I care about them, Coyle's a fraud crap manager but he wasn't with us and we played far better football than we do now with nowhere near the same resources.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 10:55 pm

KRBFC wrote:No they didn't though, at least talk some sense. It was actually Dyche's Burnley that were relegated.
Go compare the amount spent by both Dyche and Coyle, look at the two teams on paper. Coyle had a 40 year old fullback in midfield playing like Seedorf, Dyche has a Belgian international frozen out.

ERM......

Coyles Burnley did get relegated, that was the season he quit and went to Bolton, did you forget that one?

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 11:31 pm

Diesel wrote:Injury records aside, both very similar players, interesting to see Wilshere come on against Southampton in the center of midfield and totally dominate, he transformed Bournemouth, who should gone on to win, where as Defour against Spurs.....

And both very similar in that they were on the bench today. Defour's been injured - what's Wilshere's excuse?

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 11:36 pm

Wilshere is made of glass, or as the media like to put it when gushing about him, his robust style of football means he's at greater risk of injury.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 11:38 pm

Or he's not that good.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Sun Apr 02, 2017 12:24 am

Saxoman wrote:You wonder why opposition fans love to see you lose..

I can't see any opposition fans ever wanting the other team to win to be fair.
Unless it's a rubber stamp game that could relegate a rival perhaps.
Either way your comment was fairly f***ing stupid

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun Apr 02, 2017 12:44 am

Bordeauxclaret wrote:Or he's not that good.

I've floated that suggestion past some arsenal fans I know and they reckon he's going to replace Ozil as their playmaker.....

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sun Apr 02, 2017 12:52 am

Sidney1st wrote:ERM......

Coyles Burnley did get relegated, that was the season he quit and went to Bolton, did you forget that one?

So he didn't get relegated with us then? So you mean Dyche didn't win promotion with us it was actually Eddie Howe because Eddie quit too.... interesting, no doubt your dumb logic only applies one way. Btw before quoting my posts in future can you actually buy a season ticket or watch us play on the internet? I can't have a logical debate with someone who openly admits to rarely watching Burnley games be it on tv or live.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sun Apr 02, 2017 12:59 am

Diesel wrote:Less than an hour ago, Sid.

Wilshere who came on at 0-0 and the game finished erm yes thats right 0-0. Defour came on at 2-0 and the game finished... you guessed 2-0!

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun Apr 02, 2017 1:09 am

KRBFC wrote:So he didn't get relegated with us then? So you mean Dyche didn't win promotion with us it was actually Eddie Howe because Eddie quit too.... interesting, no doubt your dumb logic only applies one way. Btw before quoting my posts in future can you actually buy a season ticket or watch us play on the internet? I can't have a logical debate with someone who openly admits to rarely watching Burnley games be it on tv or live.

Season tickets sorted for next season.
You know my TV watching habits do you?

Dyche got us promoted in his first full season in charge.

Coyle got cold feet and left, so he is partially to blame for the relegation.

You can't have a logical debate anyway, you aren't smart enough it would appear, hence your attempts to discredit me before we've even got started.

Bit bizarre but there we go, its your own fault though for your daft comment about Coyle.

Next.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sun Apr 02, 2017 4:38 am

Sidney1st wrote:Season tickets sorted for next season.
You know my TV watching habits do you?

Dyche got us promoted in his first full season in charge.

Coyle got cold feet and left, so he is partially to blame for the relegation.

You can't have a logical debate anyway, you aren't smart enough it would appear, hence your attempts to discredit me before we've even got started.

Bit bizarre but there we go, its your own fault though for your daft comment about Coyle.

Next.

You said you don't watch yourself, I'm not going to debate about Burnley with someone who doesn't watch us play. Fine, have it your way... Eddie Howe got us promoted, Coyle got us relegated. It doesn't make a difference to me, I don't believe Coyles a good manager but we played some fantastic football under him and he was certainly not a crap manager for us.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun Apr 02, 2017 6:53 am

No he wasn't a crap manager, but he was losing his way prior to him leaving.

I didn't say Howe got us promoted either, you're tying yourself in knots trying to be a smart arse.

Where have I said I don't watch us on TV, because that was the question re my viewing habits?
As for attending live matches, I'm aware of how infrequently I attend, but I've also pointed out why.
You don't want to debate because you can't, you just sit and whine like a bit of a bitch.

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Sun Apr 02, 2017 8:13 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Wilshere who came on at 0-0 and the game finished erm yes thats right 0-0. Defour came on at 2-0 and the game finished... you guessed 2-0!

Bournemouth were heading for defeat before Wilshere came on, Southampton were hanging on in the end, that's the difference.

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Sun Apr 02, 2017 9:43 am

Wasting Defour, Steven Defour,
I don't think Dyche Understands,
The fans are mad, he's better than Zidane
Wasting Steven Defour.

Wasting Defour, Steven Defour,
I don't think Dyche understands
Sat on the bench, or out on the left,
Wasting Steven Defour.

Winstonswhite · Post by **Winstonswhite** » Sun Apr 02, 2017 10:15 am

The only time we'll ever know what's gone on with Defour is two or three years down the line. My guess is his injury has made him half the player he was and Dyche won't risk the framework which is fair enough.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sun Apr 02, 2017 10:25 am

Winstonswhite wrote:The only time we'll ever know what's gone on with Defour is two or three years down the line. My guess is his injury has made him half the player he was and Dyche won't risk the framework which is fair enough.

We still dont know what happened with vds

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sun Apr 02, 2017 10:29 am

West Ham want to sign Jack for £30m in the summer.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Tue Apr 04, 2017 12:48 pm

Saxoman wrote:You wonder why opposition fans love to see you lose.. Put 'hopefully' in front, and its an entirely different comment.

Positivity!