Retirement 'is dying.'

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Sun Apr 02, 2017 2:03 pm

Their is a phrase 'political football' http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39470336" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; and Wenger, given his social and media position is sending out a message to us all and it is this: Retirement is 'dying.'

I have ancestors who have died from exaustion LITERALLY from the toil of their work. Coming from Burnley, I imagine similar tales of oppression.

Hey... Why not put this idea in folk's minds via Wenger, said?????????????????????????????????????

He has a nice job and a big salary and plenty of assistants and lot's of love and he's tell us 'work till you die.'

All bow down and listen to Mr.Wenger, because Jeremy Corbyn doesn't want to lose more potential votes.

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Sun Apr 02, 2017 7:17 pm

Pstotto wrote:Their is a phrase 'political football' http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39470336" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; and Wenger, given his social and media position is sending out a message to us all and it is this: Retirement is 'dying.'

I have ancestors who have died from exaustion LITERALLY from the toil of their work. Coming from Burnley, I imagine similar tales of oppression.

Hey... Why not put this idea in folk's minds via Wenger, said?????????????????????????????????????

He has a nice job and a big salary and plenty of assistants and lot's of love and he's tell us 'work till you die.'

All bow down and listen to Mr.Wenger, because Jeremy Corbyn doesn't want to lose more potential votes.

Hi Pstotto, Arsene Wenger has a great job, a job many of us would say we would "die for..." Yes, he's a lucky person, as was Alex Ferguson - and a number of others - managing top football clubs through their late 60s and into 70s.

Of course, many aren't so lucky.

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Sun Apr 02, 2017 7:43 pm

Yes, only 20 men out of 3000 million can be PL managers.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Sun Apr 02, 2017 7:50 pm

So Wenger is not only a football manager but is now being used in an attempt to sway the populous into working well past the traditional age of retirement?

HelloHiGoodbye · Post by **HelloHiGoodbye** » Sun Apr 02, 2017 8:01 pm

Pstotto wrote:Their is a phrase 'political football' http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39470336" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; and Wenger, given his social and media position is sending out a message to us all and it is this: Retirement is 'dying.'

I have ancestors who have died from exaustion LITERALLY from the toil of their work. Coming from Burnley, I imagine similar tales of oppression.

Hey... Why not put this idea in folk's minds via Wenger, said?????????????????????????????????????

He has a nice job and a big salary and plenty of assistants and lot's of love and he's tell us 'work till you die.'

All bow down and listen to Mr.Wenger, because Jeremy Corbyn doesn't want to lose more potential votes.

U ok hun?

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Sun Apr 02, 2017 8:14 pm

A very odd threatd- the retirement issue, for want of a better word,depends purely upon the individual and their circumstances. Some folks will want to carry on working, others won't. Some will have no choice, others will. Nowt to do wi' politics - that is until enough people see the light and tell the government and their bosses where to stick their effing jobs............

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Sun Apr 02, 2017 8:33 pm

Oh really? Do you want your state pension to start at 65 or 75?

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Sun Apr 02, 2017 8:35 pm

Maybe I'm one of those conspiracy theorist types and I do have a mental illness...

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Sun Apr 02, 2017 10:08 pm

Pstotto wrote:Yes, only 20 men out of 3000 million can be PL managers.

Bit sexist there, Pstotto?

But, I guess not ageist if the world population is 6bn...

How many have been PL managers? Most of them don't last that long - though several do get "re-cycled."

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Sun Apr 02, 2017 10:18 pm

I want to work til I die. Staying at home is boring, I thugging hate gardening too.

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Sun Apr 02, 2017 10:23 pm

Pstotto wrote:Oh really? Do you want your state pension to start at 65 or 75?

I'll not argue against the state pension - I will get mine before the end of 2018. But, not many of us will find that the state pension is enough to live on.

I'll also be happy if I'm still able to work past 65. There is evidence that the longer you keep active the longer you will live in "good health."

I expect my children won't get their state pensions until they are 70(ish) - and my grandchild (and grandchildren, if I'm lucky) will be around 75 when state pension (if state pensions still exist) starts. But, in all cases they should expect to live longer and healthier than my generation.

I know others - I'm sure we all do - who haven't lived long enough to receive a state pension.

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Sun Apr 02, 2017 11:00 pm

What happens to the non-cashed-in state pension contribution of those that don't make it to retirement age?

Chobulous · Post by **Chobulous** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 7:16 am

November 3rd 2018 is when I qualify for state pension. No mortgage and about £100k in savings make it a no-brainer for me. Plus the prospect of not having to drive 38 miles to Stockport every day on the madness that is the M60. (I'm convinced that the real purpose of that road is some sort of fiendish social experiment)

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 7:33 am

I blame it on education, these youngsters hanging about with a bag of pens until they are adults. What happened to out on your ear at 15 with no idea of the real world and off to find a job and start 'paying in'.

I worked until I was 61 and retired early, it wasn't an easy decision but certainly the best I have ever made. I have my Army pension and savings to get me through until I reach state pension age, for me this has become 66.

ashtonlongsider · Post by **ashtonlongsider** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 8:02 am

I was only thinking about Wenger's comment this morning whilst lying in bed planning my day. However he is doing something he really loves and fair play to him. I took early retirement last May and after 45 years of work it's still hard to get out of the routine. At times retirement's not all is cracked up to be, but I felt the time was right for me and have no regrets.

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 8:16 am

ashtonlongsider wrote:I was only thinking about Wenger's comment this morning whilst lying in bed planning my day. However he is doing something he really loves and fair play to him. I took early retirement last May and after 45 years of work it's still hard to get out of the routine. At times retirement's not all is cracked up to be, but I felt the time was right for me and have no regrets.

I retired in May last year as well, we relocated to Padiham from south Lincolnshire in December and are now getting the house how we want it.

I thought I would be doing things like getting out with my cameras or going out for lunch to different venues. None of this has materialised yet, we are busy every day it seems and this may be down to us both having worked long hours on various shifts for years on end.

Definitely no regrets though!

IndigoLake · Post by **IndigoLake** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 8:43 am

I see what he's saying. He wants to remain active and working (obviously depending on the type of work) can help in this respect. On the other hand, retirement doesn't mean a person has to become retired in all aspects of their life. My fiancee's Dad has been retired for a few years and he's always out and about whether visiting museums, on walks or going to the football or basketball. Wenger will know himself better than anyone else and could have retired years ago if he'd wanted. Good on him if he still has the desire to continue managing.

boiledclaret · Post by **boiledclaret** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 9:27 am

Pstotto wrote:Maybe I'm one of those conspiracy theorist types and I do have a mental illness...

Nothing conspiritorial about TV propaganda. I rarely watch TV but when I do it's always completely laced nowadays with some Americanized agenda featuring celebs, many of whom might as well have a dollop of crap hanging from the end of their tongue.

It's probably inadvertant from Wenger but it's the perfect opportunity to push "spend spend spend slave slave slave."

lakedistrictclaret · Post by **lakedistrictclaret** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 9:30 am

Well I retire three weeks on Friday, and I can't wait.

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 9:41 am

lakedistrictclaret wrote:Well I retire three weeks on Friday, and I can't wait.

Good luck, lakedistrict. Enjoy.

9thMay1987 · Post by **9thMay1987** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 10:14 am

Retirement is good providing you have a decent enough pension fund and reasonable to good health issues.

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 4:42 pm

Retirements for wimps, no but seriously ask yourself do you work to live or live to work?

Assuming you have an enquiringly mind and are financially secure I can think of nothing better then retiring as early as you can.

Remember life isn't a rehearsal.

pushpinpussy · Post by **pushpinpussy** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 4:48 pm

Retirement kills more people than hard work ever did

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 4:56 pm

People can be any status to die, usually having an illness, old age, murdered or suicide or a combination of some.

Healeywoodclaret · Post by **Healeywoodclaret** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 5:41 pm

The workplace has definitely become more demanding. Workloads for individuals have increased threefold in an effort to make savings. If you can afford to retire and still enjoy reasonable health my advice is finish work. Keep busy enjoy your good health and enjoy slowing down when it suits you. I'm planning to retire at 60 but won't get state pension until 67. I have a demanding job and a long commute each day. If I opted to push it out until 67, even if I'm capable of working like a dog until I'm 67, whose to say what would be left?

Mala591 · Post by **Mala591** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 6:00 pm

Retirement is good if you hate your job or are just 'totally burnt out'.

If you enjoy your job then avoid retirement at all costs. Go part time.

There should be a new law (something useful for Julie Cooper to do?) which enables anyone over 55 to request (demand) a reduction in their hours to suit a more relaxed work/life balance.

k90bfc · Post by **k90bfc** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 9:03 pm

50 years of work,is enough for anybody,after paying in all those years,you DESERVE your State Pension at 65,more than done enough,and proud of it!

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