Asylum seeker attack

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 9:50 am

Attacked by people who were immigrants themselves. Jail this thick sc*m. It's like me attacking someone from Norman heritage because I am from Viking heritage. This underclass thuggery will never be any use in society. Lock them up and throw away the key.

Walton · Post by **Walton** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 10:35 am

How do you know they were immigrants themselves?

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 10:48 am

I'm descended from Normans / Norsemen, come and have a go if you think you're hard enough

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 11:06 am

Libtards are suprisingly quiet on twitter.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 11:43 am

claretandy wrote:Libtards are suprisingly quiet on twitter.

There's plenty blaming brexit

NottsClaret · Post by **NottsClaret** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 11:48 am

Sometimes if almost feels as though people of any ethnic background or political persuasion can have among them horrible violent types.

I'm sure it's not the case though. I shall read Twitter for a bit as the latest nasty bit of pointless violence is joyously seized upon explain to some crank's view of the world.

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 11:53 am

They are on CCTV and not ethnic British so it's hypocritical and non sensical. They just thought they would beat anyone up for any lame excuse. I hope I never have to pay these vermin any benefits via my taxes.

Walton · Post by **Walton** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 12:01 pm

What's ethnic British?

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 12:04 pm

Damo wrote:There's plenty blaming brexit

Diane Abbott for one.

Walton · Post by **Walton** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 12:07 pm

So, say again, how can you say 'attacked by people who were immigrants themselves'?

Have you seen their names, passports etc?

How do you know they're immigrants themselves?

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 12:15 pm

Blackrod wrote:They are on CCTV and not ethnic British so it's hypocritical and non sensical. They just thought they would beat anyone up for any lame excuse. I hope I never have to pay these vermin any benefits via my taxes.

Are you saying that you have to be white to be British?

Walton · Post by **Walton** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 12:18 pm

Just seen the names of the attackers charged.

Are you saying that Barry Potts, George Walder and Jack Walder are immigrants? Daryl and Dannyelle Davis?

Where did they come over from?

They've got terribly British names for immigrants.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 12:18 pm

Walton wrote:What's ethnic British?

Just a bunch of white people, we aren't a race apparently, but Turtle can confirm that for you.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 12:30 pm

I think most people assumed straight away it was white gang attack not a black gang attack, the media said it echoed the Lawrence murder etc. There is a liberal culture in this country whose base line is there are no black/Asian/ racists. My view is that a racists is a racist is a racist, no excuse, no justification.
When I went to the play off final I was talking to a caretaker at the school we booked to park in and he was black british, born in London and a West ham fan so he wanted us to win, but he warned us to group up or take a cab back to the school after the game as we would be passing through Eritrean, then Ethiopian, then worst of all Somalia areas on the way back who hate each other and gang fight but worst of all they hate us (meaning British people Black and White) more than each other. Sad reflection on the failed multi cultural dream.
I hope the young lad attacked is ok and if his claim for asylum is justified he gets it, however there are also Turkish/Kurdish/Romanian gangs in London who also fight with black gangs etc.

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 12:45 pm

Sugar Minott/ Veronica Campbell - Brown/Lukas Jutkiewicz

What's in a name and ethnicity ?Are you insinuating something ? You are digging a hole instead of trying to back up your PC agenda.

Barry_Chuckle · Post by **Barry_Chuckle** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 12:54 pm

BIG issue in Bradford at present with Romanian gangs fighting Asian gangs. No idea what the solution is long term............. are we heading towards "Lawless Britain"?

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 1:17 pm

Related to this subject, I do wonder sometimes.

I knew of two massive riots in Nottingham between Kurds and Iraqis that were so large they closed off streets and shut down entire neighbourhoods for the duration.

One of them was over the road from me and kept me awake ALL night with the police helicopters circling above.

They entailed so many men being arrested that the rule about police translators (it was that each suspect in a joint enterprise crime had to have a separate translator) were scrapped for this case because there simply were not enough translators in the whole country - my source being our police liaison officer at the social security who worked on the case before anyone asks.

This happened twice. It didn't even make the news.

So if some violent thugs are attacking youths - I want to hear about it. I want the local MP to call the perpetrators "****". That's all happened here.

And yet I didn't find a single national mention of the riots in Nottingham.

If I want a story about immigrants committing crimes I can check out Breitbart news and the chances are, there'll be a story about an 'asylum seeker' or refugee who has done something abominable in this country. Of course, Breitbart wants to see a large cut in immigration -particularly in nationals who commit crime after moving here- so they're politically motivated BUT I don't ever find their opponents at the Guardian or elsewhere denying their stories. They appear to simply be highlighting stories that national news outlets are not always publicising - stories which often sound very much like the story in question here.

It does make me wonder sometimes.

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 1:21 pm

The estate close by to where this incident took place has become home to many asylum seekers over the last few years with no problems of this nature reported in the past. Local residents reported in the Croydon press/media are saying this incident has nothing to do with a "hate crime" and that the "asylum seeker" aspect is being blown out of all proportion to suit the agenda of others.

Perhaps best to wait until all of the facts emerge before passing judgement.

Whatever the motive still no excuse for such a brutal and vicious assault on a young man by a group of thugs.

Hope that he makes a swift recovery and that the assailants are found and punished.

Walton · Post by **Walton** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 1:32 pm

Blackrod wrote:Sugar Minott/ Veronica Campbell - Brown/Lukas Jutkiewicz

What's in a name and ethnicity ?Are you insinuating something ? You are digging a hole instead of trying to back up your PC agenda.

You said this attack had been carried out by immigrants. It was carried out by a bloke called Barry ******* Potts, with his mates George and Jack.

Mine's not a PC agenda, it's just an anti-racist viewpoint.

You clearly think all black people aren't British. You hold clearly racist views, from your previous posts.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 1:37 pm

There are people who have been desperately waiting for an attack of this nature to happen since June 24th. They would love nothing more than a few more of these to happen as to validate their political stance that racism and hate are rife in the UK, and it was all caused by Brexit. The media are more than keen to help fan these flames.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 1:37 pm

kentonclaret wrote:
Perhaps best to wait until all of the facts emerge before passing judgement.

.

Welcome to the internet

Walton · Post by **Walton** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 1:45 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:There are people who have been desperately waiting for an attack of this nature to happen since June 24th. They would love nothing more than a few more of these to happen as to validate their political stance that racism and hate are rife in the UK, and it was all caused by Brexit. The media are more than keen to help fan these flames.

Hate crimes rose by 100% following the Brexit vote.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 80516.html

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 1:47 pm

Walton wrote:Hate crimes rose by 100% following the Brexit vote.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 80516.html

And how many of those do you think were false flag attempts in order to promote a political agenda? My bet is a lot.

Wonder how many of those reported crimes actually resulted in convictions, my guess is not many.

You really think that people just went out the day after the brexit vote and thought, "right thats it, I can do whatever I want to foreign people now! wooooooooo"? Or do you think there was a little bit of opportunism and media manipulation at play here.

claretdom · Post by **claretdom** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 1:48 pm

Wonder if hate crimes rose as a result of yoghurt knitters reporting anything and everything racist that they disagreed with.

JohnMcGreal · Post by **JohnMcGreal** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 2:07 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:There are people who have been desperately waiting for an attack of this nature to happen since June 24th. They would love nothing more than a few more of these to happen as to validate their political stance that racism and hate are rife in the UK, and it was all caused by Brexit. The media are more than keen to help fan these flames.

Are you being serious? Do you really think there are people who would love for some more innocent people to get murdered, or beaten within an inch of their life? Is that what you're actually saying?

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 2:24 pm

If the young man attacked in Croydon had been of West Indian descent the story would not even have made the inside pages of the Daily Mail let alone the front. Sadly, such vicious assaults and stabbings among young people in London are far too commonplace to warrant such coverage horrific though they maybe. The story here is the fact that the young man is of Kurdish origin and the media can try and link the story to immigration.

The Daily Mail had more front page headlines and scare stories on immigration leading up to the referendum than almost any other, apart from the Daily Express, and I am sure that they will be making full capital out of this over the next few days and weeks.

Barry_Chuckle · Post by **Barry_Chuckle** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 2:31 pm

Walton wrote:You said this attack had been carried out by immigrants. It was carried out by a bloke called Barry ******* Potts, with his mates George and Jack.

Mine's not a PC agenda, it's just an anti-racist viewpoint.

You clearly think all black people aren't British. You hold clearly racist views, from your previous posts.

Walton, how do you know the OP isn't a Black British person himself? he could well be by looking at his username.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 2:34 pm

Walton wrote:Hate crimes rose by 100% following the Brexit vote.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 80516.html

These figures are pretty much worthless. Reports of "hate crimes" rose but that's all we can say. What is a "hate crime" - it is anything anyone wants it to be because it is defined by the person reporting it.

kentonclaret wrote:The Daily Mail had more front page headlines and scare stories on immigration leading up to the referendum than almost any other, apart from the Daily Express, and I am sure that they will be making full capital out of this over the next few days and weeks.

I bet you don't read the Daily Mail and are making this up.

Are you saying the DM had more front pages headlines about immigration than other papers or are you saying they had more front page headlines than other papers?

If you knew what you were talking about you'd realise that the DM doesn't really need to have "scare" stories about immigration because the people who read it have generally made up their mind about immigration. The people who run the paper are far more clever than you could possibly imagine and they are more knowing and self-aware than you will ever be.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 2:34 pm

kentonclaret wrote:If the young man attacked in Croydon had been of West Indian descent the story would not even have made the inside pages of the Daily Mail let alone the front. .

Utter b0110x.The Daily Mail actively ran a campaign to bring the racist killers of Stephen Lawrence
to justice and actually named them before their trial. I'm no kind of fan of the DM, but let's have it right.

So bang goes that little theory.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 2:38 pm

kentonclaret wrote:If the young man attacked in Croydon had been of West Indian descent the story would not even have made the inside pages of the Daily Mail let alone the front. Sadly, such vicious assaults and stabbings among young people in London are far too commonplace to warrant such coverage horrific though they maybe. The story here is the fact that the young man is of Kurdish origin and the media can try and link the story to immigration.

Your assertion here is completely impossible to prove. I'm not sure you understand entirely the reasons why this particular nasty attack is receiving more attention than other particularly nasty attacks however there is an inherent silliness in your appraisal of the situation:

You say "the media" are 'trying to link' a story concerning an immigrant "of Kurdish origin" "to immigration".

I hope you can see that the story is, in some way, 'linked' to immigration.

We all have to make up our own minds whether incidents like this affect how we view immigration and whether or not awful incidents like this should affect our national approach to immigration.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 2:41 pm

Barry_Chuckle wrote:Walton, how do you know the OP isn't a Black British person himself? he could well be by looking at his username.

Sorry to crush your logic but this wouldn't affect Walton's argument unless the OP was both black AND racist in the same way that the attackers may have been racist.

You're passing a helluva judgement on ALL black people there pal.

Edit - I got this completely wrong. It's Walton's logic which is at fault here, not yours. Apologies. How embarrassing.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 2:44 pm

Walton wrote:What's ethnic British?

Hopefully the UK government has a definition somewhere because government agencies have been collecting this sh:t for years.

The UK has amassed more racial profiling information than Nazi Germany and the apartheid South Africa put together. More than any other nation in history in fact.

I can't apply for a frigging library card without being asked my "ethnic origin". When I worked at a dentists surgery we were legally obliged to ask people their "ethnic origin".

The sooner we stop this kind of pointless racial profiling the better.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 2:46 pm

JohnMcGreal wrote:Are you being serious? Do you really think there are people who would love for some more innocent people to get murdered, or beaten within an inch of their life? Is that what you're actually saying?

Im 100% serious yes. That is exactly what I am saying. These people are every bit as twisted as the nazis everyone hates, and are wolves on sheep clothing passing themselves off as society's best when in reality they are among the worst.

Walton · Post by **Walton** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 2:49 pm

Barry_Chuckle wrote:Walton, how do you know the OP isn't a Black British person himself? he could well be by looking at his username.

Bearing in mind he says he's of 'viking heritage'....

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 4:37 pm

'It's like me attacking someone from Norman heritage because I'm from Viking heritage' it was in context and not an admission.

I'd suggest you ask the moderators to remove your allegation in post 19 sharpish.

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 4:46 pm

Rowls

You say that the assertion of my post is almost impossible to prove.

Yesterday a 21 year old man Ahmed Jah visited an off licence a short distance from his home in Canning Town to purchase a soft drink when he was set upon by 4 men and viciously attacked and stabbed to death. As tragic as this case is it is unlikely that it will receive front page coverage in the Daily Mail because it has not been labelled a "hate crime".

Has it yet been proved that the Kurdish youth was savagely attacked simply because he was an immigrant or an asylum seeker?

As stated in my earlier post the attack happened close to an Estate where there are many asylum seekers housed and no such incidents have been reported previously it seems. If racially motivated it would appear an isolated incident.

Headline stories normally only appear in the media when they are very rare but by giving them such prominence they make them appear commonplace.

Are you really saying that an isolated incident, as tragic as it may be, should affect our national approach to immigration?

Surely we should be more concerned with the general level of policing and violent crime in general.

conyoviejo · Post by **conyoviejo** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 5:02 pm

What is our country coming to when people can't walk the streets in safety.. Time to get the police back on the beat walking the streets again.

Walton · Post by **Walton** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 5:09 pm

Blackrod wrote:'It's like me attacking someone from Norman heritage because I'm from Viking heritage' it was in context and not an admission.

I'd suggest you ask the moderators to remove your allegation in post 19 sharpish.

A cursory glance through your posting history shows a severe dislike for immigrants. Common amongst racists.

Walton · Post by **Walton** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 5:10 pm

Anyway, can you explain your OP, in particular the "Attacked by people who were immigrants themselves" bit????

BleedingClaret · Post by **BleedingClaret** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 5:27 pm

Does, I wonder, the fact that many of the people that voted remain have quite vehemently taken to insulting those that voted to leave count as a hate crime...?
Or is that different, to castigate a certain group of people simply because their beliefs are different to yours..?

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 5:39 pm

I don't agree with current immigration policy but do not 'severely dislike' immigrants at all. Look up Harsimmat Kaur and see if this is someone who fits your idea of a racist. After all she voted 'leave' and doesn't agree with current immigration policy. She is from a family of immigrants ( they weren't here before 1960 in this case). You are the one typecasting and labelling people if others don't agree with your views. The actual point of the thread was about the unecessary violence.

Croydon Claret · Post by **Croydon Claret** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 6:05 pm

Croydon is a bit of a hot bed due to the home office immigration centre, Lunar House, being situated in the centre. If ever you're going to get tension against immigrants then Croydon is the place to go

conyoviejo · Post by **conyoviejo** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 6:07 pm

Blackrod wrote:I don't agree with current immigration policy but do not 'severely dislike' immigrants at all. Look up Harsimmat Kaur and see if this is someone who fits your idea of a racist. After all she voted 'leave' and doesn't agree with current immigration policy. She is from a family of immigrants ( they weren't here before 1960 in this case). You are the one typecasting and labelling people if others don't agree with your views. The actual point of the thread was about the unecessary violence.

He's a bit like a modern day "WitchfinderGeneral" is Walton ..Probably a teacher the tit..

Walton · Post by **Walton** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 6:30 pm

I'm just absolutely ****** off that thinly-veiled racism runs amok on this board, from a handful of characters.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 6:39 pm

Walton wrote:I'm just absolutely ****** off that thinly-veiled racism runs amok on this board, from a handful of characters.

You seem upset.

Barry_Chuckle · Post by **Barry_Chuckle** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 6:54 pm

And I'm just absolutely ****** off that you can't say owt, do owt, type owt or let your child go for a pee on their own without someone taking um-bridge, taking it out of context, reading into it, insinuate something that wasn't there, or not intended in the way that the other person has taken it, but then goes on and on........ and on, in a manner that comes across to me as nothing more than a points scoring exercise.

Maybe it's just me, but I don't see these comments in the context that others do and find it surprising when threads deteriorate to infantile "I'm better than you, my todgers bigger than yours, my opinions the one that matters and your is purely wrong" kind of $hit

This site, like other forms of internet/social media, emails and text messaging are often read and taken out of context. It's delivered in a medium where there's no facial expression, body language or tone associated with it, this unintentionally could lead to the message being taken out of context.

Just my opinion like

conyoviejo · Post by **conyoviejo** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 7:07 pm

Walton wrote:I'm just absolutely ****** off that thinly-veiled racism runs amok on this board, from a handful of characters.

Take a chill pill Walton.. It's a forum,people have different opinions on things..

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 7:47 pm

NottsClaret wrote:Sometimes if almost feels as though people of any ethnic background or political persuasion can have among them horrible violent types.

I'm sure it's not the case though. I shall read Twitter for a bit as the latest nasty bit of pointless violence is joyously seized upon explain to some crank's view of the world.

There are people who love it when things like this happen.

Hapag Lloyd · Post by **Hapag Lloyd** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 7:57 pm

conyoviejo wrote:Take a chill pill Walton.. It's a forum,people have different opinions on things..

Yes, but they're all wrong, Waltons opinion is the only one that's valid.

PutTheWheelieBinsOut · Post by **PutTheWheelieBinsOut** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 9:42 pm

I personally think it was obvious straight away that those involved in the attack were not predominantly white, when news media failed to state they were white. Of course now we know they were being 'sensitive to cultural sensibilities'.

I wonder how many sensitive little snowflake liberals were so 'triggered' by the Brexit referendum that they actually reported the result as a hate crime