Nigel Farage in Brussels.

Flatline · Post by **Flatline** » Wed Apr 05, 2017 11:32 pm

Has this been on the news?
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Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed Apr 05, 2017 11:36 pm

Something was mentioned.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 7:32 am

The fact that he bothered to turn up??

Tribesmen · Post by **Tribesmen** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 7:39 am

Really do hate that man .

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 7:52 am

Triggered.

Right_winger · Post by **Right_winger** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 7:58 am

He's one of the very few who actually tell it like it is. Superb politician.

John Johnson 1605 · Post by **John Johnson 1605** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 8:21 am

A public school version of lads who are sick in the streets of Magaluf, sing 10 German bombers and eat Warburton's, Pukka pie and chips on their annual trip to the "continent."

Ignorant, rude and totally embarrassing.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 8:21 am

How ******* dare the EU press their massive advantage

He had one good point about the UK not being allowed to negotiate other trade deals (assuming he's not misrepresenting that, which he might well be).

We've been absolute ***** to the EU for years, demanding more influence than others like we're some entitled rich kid to whom others should bow down to. I have absolutely no problem with the EU deciding that after bending over backwards for us to try and keep us happy we throw their efforts back in their faces by leaving then good for them if they decide to force a hard brexit on us. We don't deserve anything more than that.

This is what you voted for when you voted "Leave". You were warned that the EU would have an absolutely massive bargaining position and you dimissed the warnings as being part of "Project Fear"

You played yourselves. Well done, Leavers.

And now you moan

. After calling us "remoaners" for 9 months because we said this would happen, that they would definitely exploit their huge negotiating advantage over us, here you are moaning that it's happening. ******* idiots.

Chobulous · Post by **Chobulous** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 8:23 am

A bit like Scotland then

Claretmatt4 · Post by **Claretmatt4** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 8:27 am

@IT how have the EU bent over backwards for us?

Murger · Post by **Murger** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 8:31 am

Isn't part of the reason we left because we didn't have any influence over the EU?

claretdom · Post by **claretdom** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 8:37 am

I wonder it turtle would copy and paste that paragraph changing EU to England and Uk to Scotland

Chobulous · Post by **Chobulous** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 8:43 am

Pavlovan response due soon from Wolfie when he finds the most appropriate emoji, emoticon whatever you want to call them.

You're an idiot, you're a moron, you're stupid.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 8:46 am

claretdom wrote:I wonder it turtle would copy and paste that paragraph changing EU to England and Uk to Scotland

I would, if Scotland voted to leave, i opposed leaving, and then it turned out that the warnings came true after they were dismissed out of hand by morons.

The problem you have though, with your little attempt at snark, is that while i support independence for Scotland now that might change when campaigning gets under way and i see more about what the SNP say independence will look like vrs what independent analysis says it will look like, and it's for that reason that i've not been vociferously supporting Scottish independence.

claretdom · Post by **claretdom** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 8:49 am

I don't have a problem. I get your stance now though, you are all for independence providing you can still be helped by others.

Chobulous · Post by **Chobulous** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 8:49 am

quod erat demonstrandum

Acting Claret · Post by **Acting Claret** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 8:50 am

Haha, love it!

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 8:54 am

claretdom wrote:I don't have a problem. I get your stance now though, you are all for independence providing you can still be helped by others.

From how far up your arse did you pull that inference?

claretdom · Post by **claretdom** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 8:55 am

Near Stranraer why ?

JohnMcGreal · Post by **JohnMcGreal** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 8:56 am

An embarrassment to this country.

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 9:11 am

The left despise him because without him we wouldn't have left their beloved EU.

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 9:11 am

The left despise him because without him we wouldn't have left their beloved EU.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 9:15 am

I'm pretty sure he was despised by those you despise a long time before last summer.

bf2k · Post by **bf2k** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 9:28 am

I wonder if we can find a little place in the corner of France, or even Scotland for that matter, for all those Remain voters who are not happy at the current situation. I wonder if that can be put on the table as part of the Brexit negotiations?

We all had a vote. The majority won, like any election. As a democratic nation we have to live by that voting process. Don't like it? There are plenty of countries who won't let you vote for what you want (and they come with the added bonus of being rather hot countries with some very nice weather).

As for Farage, as a public figure & speaker he's plum but what he says is what ordinary folk think. The difference between him and your usual politician is he speaks his mind. The others speak to get re-elected and this is what we are used to and accept, not the Farage type.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 9:38 am

bf2k wrote:I wonder if we can find a little place in the corner of France, or even Scotland for that matter, for all those Remain voters who are not happy at the current situation. I wonder if that can be put on the table as part of the Brexit negotiations?

We all had a vote. The majority won, like any election. As a democratic nation we have to live by that voting process. Don't like it? There are plenty of countries who won't let you vote for what you want (and they come with the added bonus of being rather hot countries with some very nice weather).

As for Farage, as a public figure & speaker he's plum but what he says is what ordinary folk think. The difference between him and your usual politician is he speaks his mind. The others speak to get re-elected and this is what we are used to and accept, not the Farage type.

Sports team mentality - we won, you lost, get over it. I can't imagine why so many people think brexiteers are stupid. It eludes me.

FAO intelligent Brexiteers: if you want the perceived average intelligence of Brexiteers to be closer to the actual average intelligence of Brexiteers then perhaps, once in a while, some of you could call out this kind of dumb-as-**** post from one of your own.

claretdom · Post by **claretdom** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 9:42 am

"52"
"We beat the **** 52-48"

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 9:49 am

“In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way.”

claretdom · Post by **claretdom** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 9:49 am

And away goals don't count.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 9:51 am

claretdom wrote:And away goals don't count.

That explains our season.

bf2k · Post by **bf2k** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 10:02 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:
Sports team mentality - we won, you lost, get over it. I can't imagine why so many people think brexiteers are stupid. It eludes me.

FAO intelligent Brexiteers: if you want the perceived average intelligence of Brexiteers to be closer to the actual average intelligence of Brexiteers then perhaps, once in a while, some of you could call out this kind of dumb-as-**** post from one of your own.

Dear dear dear. No educated arguement to retort with so you try and throw some mis-guided rubbish insults to try and make yourself look good.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 10:07 am

If your post being criticised makes you feel insulted then you're far too attached to your post.

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 10:11 am

bf2k wrote:what he says is what ordinary folk think.

define 'ordinary folk'.

bf2k · Post by **bf2k** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 10:14 am

quoonbeatz wrote:define 'ordinary folk'.

Sorry, the man in the street who isn't bound by every word he says being recorded and filed by the national press. As opposed to politicians and public figures who are, I'm afraid, not allowed to express their views without insult and/or extreme criticism.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 10:27 am

"extreme criticism". ******* pussies. Go back to your safe space if you don't like your opinions being criticised.

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 10:27 am

bf2k wrote:Sorry, the man in the street who isn't bound by every word he says being recorded and filed by the national press.

well that applies to me and many many people i know but nigel farage says **** all that i or they think.

Darthlaw · Post by **Darthlaw** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 10:57 am

Typical Farage - Says some things which make sense, surrounded by a bewildering amount of tripe.

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 11:15 am

That is his whole problem. He can't take the higher ground, and point out the EU's flaws matter of factly, he has to kick them in the balls while he tells them. The result is they miss the message because all they remember is the ball kicking.
If he had tried to get the message across , without all his smugness and rhetoric, we might not have ended up in this situation.

Belgianclaret · Post by **Belgianclaret** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 11:17 am

T.W.A.T.

SammyBoy · Post by **SammyBoy** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 11:23 am

Farage is clearly a good orator but I find him to be possibly one of the most odious people in British politics.

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 1:11 pm

I was hoping this was going to be Nigel sat in a bathful of sprouts for charity.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 1:34 pm

I still don't get my head round how the left side defend the EU after it's treatment of Greece. It goes against all you supposedly stand for. Some union is that.

SammyBoy · Post by **SammyBoy** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 1:55 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:I still don't get my head round how the left side defend the EU after it's treatment of Greece. It goes against all you supposedly stand for. Some union is that.

A significant amount of the remain arguments aren't defending the EU per se. I voted to remain and I'm under no illusion that the EU has it's faults and needs certain aspects reforming. I simply weighed up the pros and cons of leaving and felt it'd be a long, drawn out process to try and achieve some half baked notion of sovereignty - likely at the expense of the countries economic performance. I suppose it also helped that I see first hand the benefit of immigrant labour (my girlfriend is a Portuguese nurse working for the NHS) and I felt like I could have nothing to do with the leave campaign which was largely based on scaremongering, spin and outright lies.

KateR · Post by **KateR** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 2:03 pm

all divorces get acrimonious sooner or later, this looks like being a doosy but just like the party trying to stay in the marriage, it's over, sooner you can get your head around it and accept, the sooner people will listen to you, since all the petty rubbish being spouted (IT) is just noise and matters not one jot.

The fighting (sorry negotiations) has started, for me it will be interesting to see how many (if any course) of the 27 are looking to leave the commune once the spoils have been divided

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 5:49 pm

More we won, get over it idiocy. And you call what i'm saying "petty".

lakesclaret · Post by **lakesclaret** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 7:06 pm

Don't have a lot of time for Farage (though always thought he was good value in his very early UKIP days) He's so desperate to be an establishment Tory it beggars belief.

That said anyone who winds the lefties up like he does Il be forever grateful. They foam and froth at the mere mention of his name . He's definitely on the official lefty " bogeymen list" along with the likes of Thatcher,Clarkson,Bernard Manning,Trump et al

Clarets4me · Post by **Clarets4me** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 8:16 pm

SammyBoy wrote:A significant amount of the remain arguments aren't defending the EU per se. I voted to remain and I'm under no illusion that the EU has it's faults and needs certain aspects reforming. I simply weighed up the pros and cons of leaving and felt it'd be a long, drawn out process to try and achieve some half baked notion of sovereignty - likely at the expense of the countries economic performance. I suppose it also helped that I see first hand the benefit of immigrant labour (my girlfriend is a Portuguese nurse working for the NHS) and I felt like I could have nothing to do with the leave campaign which was largely based on scaremongering, spin and outright lies.

I hardly think the Remain campaign can be absolved of scaremongering, spin and outright lies !

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 8:22 pm

Clarets4me wrote:I hardly think the Remain campaign can be absolved of scaremongering, spin and outright lies !

No one disagrees with that, but that doesn't make it OK. And the fact that millions are so happy tp get what they want when they know it was acheived through politicians lying in order to win public support only proves to those politicians that it's OK to lie because we won't hold them to account.

It makes me laugh when i read people who voted leave complain that politicians are liars, completely oblivious to the fact that they encourage it.

Claretforever · Post by **Claretforever** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 8:30 pm

It's amazing how the remainers label the brexiters as northern, uneducated racists (I know it's not been said here). Speaking with a person residing in Leeds recently with that view. I then pointed out that the Leeds vote was 51-49 remain, so almost 50% of the people where he lived are uneducated racists.....silence. When I then pointed out that around 1/3 of Kensington and Chelsea are also northern uneducated racists I was amazed at the lack of retort for someone with such entrenched views - I hadn't brought it up. I'm sure the remainers (I'm generalising to be fair) actually believe that it was all dole dossing norveners who done it to 'em.

I like Farage. No, I'd hate him to be our PM, and I don't vote for his party, but I really wish that our people in real power could bottle some of his balls and use it, in a better way, when negotiating on the UK's behalf. It always feels like we have bent over somehow, and got the sh1tty end of the stick. Farage has guts to say it how it is. That's what I like, even if I cringe at some of his sound bites.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 8:41 pm

Claretforever wrote:It's amazing how the remainers label the brexiters as northern, uneducated racists (I know it's not been said here).

This should be interesting. It's always nice to see that people are broadly accusing remainers of something based on a solid sample size and a good understanding of the importance of statistical significance of such sampling.

Speaking with a person residing in Leeds recently with that view. ...

Ah.

Claretforever · Post by **Claretforever** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 8:55 pm

Nice of you to avoid reading into that a bit deeper than the words you've chosen to quote. I'm not suggesting you don't have the ability at all, just that it wouldn't suit your argument.