Go for the throat against Boro

Papabendi · Post by **Papabendi** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 12:54 pm

That lot are there for the taking. If we don't beat them then we will likely not win away all season.

We have an extra day of recovery and we need to impose our game on them and go for the throat.

UTC

bodge · Post by **bodge** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 1:08 pm

Agreed we need to go to Chernobyl and seal the deal, they have to win and so they will be more expansive than usual.

They have problems at left back with no Fabio and Friend, so a real temptation to unleash Brady.

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 1:08 pm

We should, but we won't.

Belial · Post by **Belial** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 1:11 pm

I'd expect us to keep our defensive shape and try and nick something. If we manage a draw, it's a decent result for us, but they need 3 points and anything less is a bad result for them

LeadBelly · Post by **LeadBelly** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 1:14 pm

They're desperate for 3 points, 1 point is fine for us, can't see us going gung-ho.
It'd be nice to get that no-away-win monkey off our backs; maybe the best way to do it is to play compact / look to frustrate them and get some good breaks forward.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 1:29 pm

I've read a few times over the last day or so on here (not on this thread) about how we should beat Boro because they're terrible.

Well Boro have lost less games overall than we have and we're playing away.

It's all shaping up nicely for another wonderful Saturday night on here if we don't win.

CombatClaret · Post by **CombatClaret** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 1:30 pm

They are the ones who need this more than us.
I can see us play our standard game which will actually suit this fixture well given the circumstances; less possession, absorb attacks then hit on the break.
We just need to make sure we have a little creativity in the side in Brady and/or Defour.

Inchy · Post by **Inchy** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 1:32 pm

In most away games I have thought we should go for it with a nothing to lose mentality.

However, in this game I think our defensive shape will be the best possible way to get a result. They need the win and will press up high. if we can absorb that and catch them on the break then I think we can score. Not only that but if they go down they will throw more forward meaning they will be totally out of shape at the back

Papabendi · Post by **Papabendi** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 1:32 pm

We should be ready to run them ragged.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 1:32 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:It's all shaping up nicely for another wonderful Saturday night on here if we don't win.

I've learned now - I keep off on a Saturday night as much as possible after a defeat

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 1:35 pm

I doubt very much we will do that...

Draw is fine for us - especially with Hull at City and West Ham playing Swansea. A draw for us would probably mean we gain a point on 2 of these 3 teams.

Everybody seems obsessed with this away record - will any Burnley fan give a sh-it if we stay up and don't win away all season ?

Even though we have the worst away record in the league there are 3 other teams who have won only 1 away game and 2 others only won 2.....and one of these 5 teams is the champions. It just proves how difficult it is to win away in this league.

Boro have picked up 10 points away from home and have not been beaten in 50% of their away games - look where that's got them !!

Barry_Chuckle · Post by **Barry_Chuckle** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 1:37 pm

To catch them on the break, we'd need to move the ball at speed from Back to front......... something we don't do

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 1:37 pm

Boro have changed mentality now they need to score goals and win games. We are safe now in my eyes so Dyche should play as he wants his team to play with the pressure off.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 1:40 pm

Barry_Chuckle wrote:To catch them on the break, we'd need to move the ball at speed from Back to front......... something we don't do

We do that a lot.

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 1:40 pm

From the off no quarter given.Three points is a minimum .We will complete double over Everton but a win a Boro is douable
Who knows Paddy no goals may get a game.

claretdom · Post by **claretdom** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 1:41 pm

TVC15 wrote:I doubt very much we will do that...

Everybody seems obsessed with this away record - will any Burnley fan give a sh-it if we stay up and don't win away all season ?

Only the usual suspects who will use it to continue their weird moany stance, well until the transfer window opens then you have to hurt your eyes with their uninformed comments about players they know nothing about.

KateR · Post by **KateR** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 1:44 pm

happy to see I am not the only one to believes if we play our normal game we will get something, draw is fine and that illusive wine wonderful but we really don't need it IMO. getting very aggressive and going at them is probably the worst tactic I can think of and probably result in a defeat.

Not an issue at all for me if we don't win an away game all season but stay up, the result might though make or spoil my night out Saturday

Barry_Chuckle · Post by **Barry_Chuckle** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 1:46 pm

Tall Paul wrote:We do that a lot.

Really..... you think so?

Perhaps your expectations are different to mine, I'd class our speed to be pedestrian like at times.

Papabendi · Post by **Papabendi** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 1:47 pm

I am not advocating total football but a mentality shift.

And I also cant think of anything worse than sitting back and letting this lot dictate the play

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 1:51 pm

Barry_Chuckle wrote:Really..... you think so?

Perhaps your expectations are different to mine, I'd class our speed to be pedestrian like at times.

We move the ball from back to front very quickly most of the time, albeit about 30 foot in the air.

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 2:02 pm

We definitely need to start on the front foot. They will, and the last thing we should do is give them the initiative.
They're on the edge and if we score first you can only see one outcome. If they score first we need to show we have a big pair of balls.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 2:03 pm

Barry_Chuckle wrote:To catch them on the break, we'd need to move the ball at speed from Back to front......... something we don't do

It's exactly what we do

Ric_C · Post by **Ric_C** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 2:05 pm

Add to the equation they have Friend, fabio and Chambers all out (and possibly Ayala), and it could be a good time to play them with a weakened defence.

Think they will revert back to a 4-5-1 after last nights experiment

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 2:07 pm

Go for the win and be happy with a draw. Boro are 1/12 to be relegated so its our best chance to get a vital 3 points. They have injury problems at left back and I agree that Brady should play.

willsclarets · Post by **willsclarets** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 2:19 pm

I haven't felt this confident of 3 points away from home all season. I think Boro are finished, and if they lose the first goal on Saturday I couldn't see them recovering. My worry is, that SD might put Brady on the bench because of the traore threat down their right hand side - opting for Arfield who knows our defensive shape a little better. I hope the opposite is true and we try and isolate their right back with Brady and give him a full 90 to show what he can do. If we pick the right midfield, I think we win this by 2-3 goals, which is bananas given our away record i know. Get Defour and Brady on the pitch at the same time, with Defour given a bit of license in a central role and I think we win. That said, I'm not a premier league manager and Sean Dyche is

Easy from a laptop.

willsclarets · Post by **willsclarets** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 2:23 pm

Agreed CT, and in the first 20 minutes at Liverpool we showed just how good we can be at it. It was like watching Leicester from last season, and I'm not unconvinced that's the model SD is striving for, but when it goes wrong you look like a long ball team with aimless passes going out of play.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 2:23 pm

FCBurnley wrote: Boro are 1/12 to be relegated so its our best chance to get a vital 3 points.

How exactly do bookies odds give us the best chance of winning?

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 2:33 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:How exactly do bookies odds give us the best chance of winning?

Not that difficult to understand really - it means of all the away games we have remaining Boro are regarded as the worst team by the bookmakers with only Sunderland in the league at longer odds to be relegated (but we don`t have to play them away).

Or to put it another way Boro are the shi-ttest team we have left to play away from home so our best chance of winning !!

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 2:35 pm

TVC15 wrote: Or to put it another way Boro are the shi-ttest team we have left to play away from home so our best chance of winning !!

So nothing to do with bookies odds, thanks.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 2:44 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:So nothing to do with bookies odds, thanks.

mmmm....let me think !!

the bookies odds are arrived at by the amount of money punters place on an outcome.

The outcome in this case is Boro to be relegated.

Why have they done that ?....because they think Boro are the 2nd worst team in the league

So yes the bookies odds have a direct correlation to the "sh-itness" of the team...and yes that does mean there is a direct link between the odds and Boro away being our best chance of winning away.

Are we all missing something here B.O.T. ?!!!

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 2:54 pm

We should have a whip-round on here and place it on Boro to be relegated to make them even more sh1tter for Saturday.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 2:58 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:We should have a whip-round on here and place it on Boro to be relegated to make them even more sh1tter for Saturday.

Hilarious.

All it will mean is that Boro remain the best chance of an away win - which is what the original poster said before you made your arsey comment

CombatClaret · Post by **CombatClaret** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 3:00 pm

TVC15 wrote:the bookies odds are arrived at by the amount of money punters place on an outcome.

I'd hazard a guess it has more to do with a vast amount statistical analysis based on form, historical results and probability.
That's how they come up with the odds in the first place and minor changes will be added from the market's involvement.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 3:09 pm

CombatClaret wrote:I'd hazard a guess it has more to do with a vast amount statistical analysis based on form, historical results and probability.
That's how they come up with the odds in the first place and minor changes will be added from the market's involvement.

Yes I know that there are many more factors but the amount of money placed is one of those factors. The reason that punters are placing the bets are of course also based on statistics, form, upcoming fixtures etc etc.

All these are linked...but the point on this thread is that the poster who said the odds of Boro being relegated meant that this was our best chance of winning away is a correct assumption.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 3:14 pm

TVC15 wrote:Hilarious.

All it will mean is that Boro remain the best chance of an away win - which is what the original poster said before you made your arsey comment

It's still there if you want to read it properly.

Any road this conversation isn't going to get any better, so I'm out.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 3:38 pm

I agree, we need to go at them. Will we? no, we haven't won an away game all season for a reason.

No Ney Never · Post by **No Ney Never** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 3:46 pm

Our defensive framework will be key to our ability to get something from this game. It wouldn't surprise me if possession was 70/30 in favour of Boro. A lot of that possession is likely to be in their own half and the middle third of the pitch if we are on top of 'our' game.
As unexciting as it may be for some Clarets, our 4 4 2 with Boyd, Hendricks, Barton, Arfield and Vokes, Gray as the starting 11 would be my preferred line up to absorb this for the first 60 mins. How Boro play, our ability to deal with it and the score at this point is where we begin to look at what, if any, changes should be made.
If we're winning, it stays the same.
If we're drawing and nullifying any threat, then again, it stays the same.
If we're behind with no sign of getting back into it, then we have Defour, Brady and Barnes to come on. All this of course is assuming injury doesn't force change.

Survival is the name of the game this season and a point away at Boro to take us on to 36 points, is more than acceptable in the scheme of things. 3 points would be a fantastic result but if we can't win, then we need to make sure we don't get beat as Sean would say. I'd love to see us in the table on Saturday night on 38 points, but I wouldn't want to gamble still being on 35 to achieve it. Solidity and framework hasn't let us down since Sean came to this club, to get overexcited and abandon it now would be folly.

Starting 11
Heaton
Lowton, Keane, Mee, Ward
Boyd, Hendricks, Barton, Arfield
Vokes, Gray.

Finishing 11 if we find the need to get back into it
Heaton
Lowton, Keane, Mee, Ward
Hendricks, Barton, Defour, Brady
Gray, Barnes

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 3:59 pm

No Ney Never wrote:Our defensive framework will be key to our ability to get something from this game. It wouldn't surprise me if possession was 70/30 in favour of Boro. A lot of that possession is likely to be in their own half and the middle third of the pitch if we are on top of 'our' game.
As unexciting as it may be for some Clarets, our 4 4 2 with Boyd, Hendricks, Barton, Arfield and Vokes, Gray as the starting 11 would be my preferred line up to absorb this for the first 60 mins. How Boro play, our ability to deal with it and the score at this point is where we begin to look at what, if any, changes should be made.
If we're winning, it stays the same.
If we're drawing and nullifying any threat, then again, it stays the same.
If we're behind with no sign of getting back into it, then we have Defour, Brady and Barnes to come on. All this of course is assuming injury doesn't force change.

Survival is the name of the game this season and a point away at Boro to take us on to 36 points, is more than acceptable in the scheme of things. 3 points would be a fantastic result but if we can't win, then we need to make sure we don't get beat as Sean would say. I'd love to see us in the table on Saturday night on 38 points, but I wouldn't want to gamble still being on 35 to achieve it. Solidity and framework hasn't let us down since Sean came to this club, to get overexcited and abandon it now would be folly.

Starting 11
Heaton
Lowton, Keane, Mee, Ward
Boyd, Hendricks, Barton, Arfield
Vokes, Gray.

Finishing 11 if we find the need to get back into it
Heaton
Lowton, Keane, Mee, Ward
Hendricks, Barton, Defour, Brady
Gray, Barnes

This Hendricks fella you speak of, is he any good?

Holmeclaret · Post by **Holmeclaret** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 4:03 pm

Boro went for broke against Hull and it backfired. They'll be more cautious despite needing the points so it'll be as tight as usual.

Gnulty · Post by **Gnulty** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 4:39 pm

Why we haven't won away, I don't know. Probably coincidental and not to worry about due to homeform

. We win games when not dominating, and should of course go for Boro's throat, but then from under, like underdogs doo..

UTC!

jojomk1 · Post by **jojomk1** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 4:54 pm

Only change I would want to see would be Brady instead of Defour - to keep the balance across the middle (Defour cannot play wide)

willsclarets · Post by **willsclarets** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 5:03 pm

haha, it is tricky to understand why people insist putting an s on hendrick. I've never seen a Heatons or a Lowtons. Baffling.

No Ney Never · Post by **No Ney Never** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 5:10 pm

Must be when you're good at something people put a 's' on the end of your name, a bit like that Jimmy fella who played guitar.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 5:31 pm

No Ney Never wrote:Must be when you're good at something people put a 's' on the end of your name, a bit like that Jimmy fella who played guitar.

You mean Jimi Hendrix?

LeadBelly · Post by **LeadBelly** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 5:33 pm

No- he means Jimmy Pages

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 5:35 pm

Jeff London Dry (s)

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 5:37 pm

LeadBelly wrote:No- he means Jimmy Pages

I have no idea who that is

HelloHiGoodbye · Post by **HelloHiGoodbye** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 6:21 pm

Lots of people are saying we should beat Boro, that we need to beat Boro ... We don't. It'd be nice sure but a point'll do.

jlup1980 · Post by **jlup1980** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 6:31 pm

KRBFC wrote:I have no idea who that is

Come on, Jimmy Pages. His nickname was Yellow.

Let'sChaseTheDragon · Post by **Let'sChaseTheDragon** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 7:08 pm

KateR wrote:happy to see I am not the only one to believes if we play our normal game we will get something, draw is fine and that illusive wine wonderful but we really don't need it IMO. getting very aggressive and going at them is probably the worst tactic I can think of and probably result in a defeat.

Not an issue at all for me if we don't win an away game all season but stay up, the result might though make or spoil my night out Saturday

I'm with you. Just stay compact and wait for that chance.