when will it be time for Dyche to move on

Hedontplayforyou · Post by **Hedontplayforyou** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 2:53 pm

Those who don't like the unattractive Dyche football need to take a moment and think about where we have come from and how great of an achievement it will/would be when we beat the drop.

The toughest league in the world, and little old Burnley are battling with the big boys. Aguero, Hazard, Coutinho, Zlatan, Sanchez etc.

Boyd, Ward, Vokes, Arfield etc.... how do you think these lads should play against players of that calibre? Not saying that these lads are bad players at all before anyone starts!

Dyche has done a phenomenal job with us and I'd hope he would stay with us for a long time to come. He has mastered the art of the stubborn 2 banks of four defending for their lives, perhaps with a few quality additions in the summer he can then adapt to a more posession based game and adapt his tactical approach accordingly to the opponents?! Defour if fit, and Brady are just the beginning for me. Dyche is building a legacy as a previous poster stated! UTC

PS: speculating of course but I'd hazard a guess at saying that some of our wives are probably not the most attractive but we stick with them and some of us even love them

NNN

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 3:09 pm

Colburn_Claret wrote:Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

How can you moan about Dyche's style of play. He plays a style that suits his players. That's why he is successful. If he were to try and play tic a tac with this squad we would be looking up at Sunderland. That said when the squad improves then so will the football. I'm so glad SD is in charge rather than some of the numpties that post on here.

Also to claim we are lucky, because of last minute goals, deflections, lucky penalty (just the one). What about Arsenal home and away, Swansea away. How many stone wall penalties have we had turned down, because we aren't 'fashionable'.

I can only imagine you're dyslexic and your user name should be KBRFC

I think you must be the dyslexic one.

What I said ''Like I said it can't be luck, but it's winning ugly and undeservedly.''

You thought we were unlucky at Swansea away? Yeah, that all but confirms you're the dyslexic one.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 3:23 pm

Hedontplayforyou wrote:Those who don't like the unattractive Dyche football need to take a moment and think about where we have come from and how great of an achievement it will/would be when we beat the drop.

The toughest league in the world, and little old Burnley are battling with the big boys. Aguero, Hazard, Coutinho, Zlatan, Sanchez etc.

Boyd, Ward, Vokes, Arfield etc.... how do you think these lads should play against players of that calibre? Not saying that these lads are bad players at all before anyone starts!

Dyche has done a phenomenal job with us and I'd hope he would stay with us for a long time to come. He has mastered the art of the stubborn 2 banks of four defending for their lives, perhaps with a few quality additions in the summer he can then adapt to a more posession based game and adapt his tactical approach accordingly to the opponents?! Defour if fit, and Brady are just the beginning for me. Dyche is building a legacy as a previous poster stated! UTC

PS: speculating of course but I'd hazard a guess at saying that some of our wives are probably not the most attractive but we stick with them and some of us even love them NNN

It's nice to know you admit your wife isn't attractive and you settled for 2nd best.
We are not ''little old Burnley'', where we were 20 years ago means absolutely nothing, just like winning Div 1 has no bearing on the team/club today. 3 PL seasons in the past 7 years and 3 promotions. 3 players worth over £10M a piece. We have resources and players available most clubs in the Championship could only dream of. We are not a league 2 team anymore, yet some fans pretend we are.

You say we can't play possession football with the group of players we have yet we played the same way last year despite being up against lesser quality week in week out. This idea that Dyche will suddenly mould a team and the football will change is mental, he's been here for years and the football hasn't changed at all.

''Aguero, Hazard, Coutinho, Zlatan, Sanchez etc. '' fine players but it doesn't give a fair reflection on the league, there is 6 teams considerably better than the rest it just so happens you picked players from the 6 teams instead of saying ''Glenn Whelan, Grant Leadbitter, Abel Hernandez, Wes Morgan, Gareth Barry''

AndrewJB · Post by **AndrewJB** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 3:32 pm

I completely agree, AndyH. And he said as much himself when someone recently suggested he'd be ideal for Arsenal. As mentioned earlier, I don't think Dyche has a problem playing attacking football (look at our first promotion under him), but this didn't work in our subsequent premiership season. For me the ideal is that balance of style and utility - and this is the same at whatever club. Being already in the premiership there aren't many UK clubs he could look upon as a real step up (that would not consider him due to his lack of experience). This is why I can see him eventually going to a German or Spanish club that will give him the experience of managing players from around the world, and with bigger egos than found at Burnley.

Still, I'd imagine he has bigger ambitions than merely keeping us up in the premiership - and in doing so he is able to pit himself with his limited resources against some of the best managers in the world.

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 4:45 pm

culturally his football is more suited to Italy if he was to go abroad to a big 5 league

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 5:39 pm

Chester Perry wrote:culturally his football is more suited to Italy if he was to go abroad to a big 5 league

I think it's more suited to The Peruvian 2nd division.

Bertiebeehead · Post by **Bertiebeehead** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 5:41 pm

I get the feeling that KRBFC doesn't like Dyches football style.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 8:03 pm

Didt ings have a big ego? Does joey have one......

Terrier · Post by **Terrier** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 8:31 pm

Most blackburn fans i know would welcome big sam back with open arms now and admit did not realise how good things were when he was manager!

Dom · Post by **Dom** » Fri Apr 07, 2017 1:05 pm

Yep don't get KRBFC's point of view, in an ideal world we would play beautiful winning football but we don't have the squad to play that football, we are a mixed style which works and looks likely to keep us up, which in turn gives us more money. As someone said above, walk before you run.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Apr 07, 2017 1:18 pm

Dom wrote:Yep don't get KRBFC's point of view, in an ideal world we would play beautiful winning football but we don't have the squad to play that football, we are a mixed style which works and looks likely to keep us up, which in turn gives us more money. As someone said above, walk before you run.

KRBFC wants a Howe style of football basically, all about the free flowing attacking football.
As you can see from the information below, it makes a big difference to league positions.

League position Played G/D Points
13 Bournemouth 31 -12 35
14 Burnley 31 -12 35

claretdom · Post by **claretdom** » Fri Apr 07, 2017 1:19 pm

To be fair the troll has spent all season proving he knows nothing, surprised people still don't get him

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Fri Apr 07, 2017 1:58 pm

KRBFC wrote:I think you must be the dyslexic one.

What I said ''Like I said it can't be luck, but it's winning ugly and undeservedly.''

If you don't deserve to win, but you do - surely that's lucky by definition?

You have a bit of a point, but nothing like enough to carry on like you do. You complain about the Leicester win, because we played well but scored a lucky goal; you complain about the Stoke win, because we played badly but scored a good goal. You complain about beating Everton and Palace, which we did fair and square in entertaining games, because the goals came too late in the game. But you don't complain about either of the Arsenal results.

iluva64 · Post by **iluva64** » Fri Apr 07, 2017 2:46 pm

I can't hear her singing yet.....just a bunch of the same old numpties moaning as per usual............I'm trying very hard to keep this clean.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Tue Apr 11, 2017 3:39 pm

claretdom wrote:To be fair the troll has spent all season proving he knows nothing, surprised people still don't get him

Obsessed

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Tue Apr 11, 2017 3:41 pm

claretdom wrote:To be fair you might as well tune into the saxo and krbfc phone in as listen to durham and gough. 2 pricks of the highest order Gough should stick to chasing Amy Childs around europe trying to pull her.

Obsessed

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Tue Apr 11, 2017 3:43 pm

claretdom wrote:That can't be true the troll had 1 target at the start of this season which was in his/her own words "stay up" didn't care how we did it just stay up.

Obsessed

Cooperclaret · Post by **Cooperclaret** » Tue Apr 11, 2017 5:21 pm

SAD

And am I obsessed too ???

You hate the gaffer, obviously !! Why don't you ring him up and meet up with him and then tell him face to face where he is going wrong ?????

The gaffer will then does us all a favour !

OBSESSED !!

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Tue Apr 11, 2017 5:31 pm

Cooperclaret wrote:SAD

And am I obsessed too ???

You hate the gaffer, obviously !! Why don't you ring him up and meet up with him and then tell him face to face where he is going wrong ?????

The gaffer will then does us all a favour !

OBSESSED !!

!!!!!!!!!! ?? !!!!! ?????? ! ??????? !!!!!!!! ??? !!!!!!!!!!!!! ?????????

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 5:55 am

There's no reason why Dyche can't do a similar job to what Allardyce did at Bolton, they were 4th in the league when he left. He would need to show better recruitment of foreign talent though.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 8:20 am

Nobody is taking anything away from SD's achievements some of us voice concerns about his style and recruitment, and rather fixed view of the footbal needed to be successful at this level.
I at least don't expect the next manager to be so successful in league position terms, and I do expect a very difficult transition period if Dyche goes but the hope is that we will gradually rebuild along on slightly less rigid lines.
As for SD maybe he will continue his development here, and eventually blossom into a more adaptable manager, but I rather fancy that the exit of players at the end of this season will preclude that, therefore for him to progress to the pinnacle of British football he may well have either to take a step back or take on a challenge which will require the breaching of the framework.

What I do hope is that he develops into a great manager and does not content himself with just being a very good one working within a limited framework.

He will whatever he chooses always be one of the great Burnley managers, when he becomes one of the great British managers, then hopefully he will have proved he can produce a side capable of expressing itself captivatingly on the field of play.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 8:56 am

You don't half waffle on.

Just say it with less waffle.

You don't like his framework and you'd like to see more defenders in midfield.

lovebeingaclaret · Post by **lovebeingaclaret** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 9:22 am

I bet abc is a great laugh over a pint or two. I'm looking forward to meeting him at Turf Moor next time he's up at Liverpool.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 9:23 am

I try to be fair Sidney. I preferred OC's style of play with much more limited resources, but I acknowledge that SD is the better manager though for me too hide bound.
For many SD has done the impossible, for me he's just starting to realise what is possible.
His core belief that footballers need a framework to operate within is sound, it's what you do with the players who make frameworks irrelevant that he has yet to come to terms with.
Integrating footballing magic into the system and making the system more adaptable have to be his next steps.
Although I criticise SD more than most it doesn't mean I don't appreciate what he has achieved, I just believe this season particularly away from home he hasn't been brave or experimental enough, he retreats when he should be adventuring, mainly I think because he fears losing that framework which has served him so well. There's a long way between justified caution and hedonistic adventure, but somewhere in between the best managers find a compromise , a workable solution, SD has yet to do that, when he manages it he will be heading to the top. Stay as he is and he'll remain an obdurate, successful manager without that spark you need to get to the pinnacle of the sport.
I hope he's up for the challenge, either here or elsewhere.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 9:24 am

You're absolutely right lbc, my nicknames the jollyclaretgiant.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 9:31 am

Dyche probably had one target this season - avoid relegation.

Next season it will be expanded to - avoid relegation, improve squad and league finish.
These will be repeated each season we're in the top flight.

You're making demands/complaints without looking at the bigger picture, being short sighted is the correct phrase I believe.

Stoke spent 6-7 years playing a certain style of football and now they're trying to change that under Hughes and it appears to be working well.
Long term project that is paying off.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 9:37 am

If SD is here in 7 years time and we are playing in the same way I shall be most disappointed, success in my books is not just about staying in this division, it's about playing football in a way that is worth watching.
The fact that we will be losing players at the end of the season means that things will change.
My biggest concern is that SD buys for the framework, and although it provides solidity and certainty it restricts players expressing their abilities. All restraining formulae crack at some point, usually when the replacements in the framework don't quite match those who left.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 9:46 am

Hence my comments about improving squad and league position.

Dyche said himself on tv a while back that, whilst he 'loves the players hes got etc' he was limited to the style of play he could implement.
He was right back then and changing style midway through the season wouldn't guarantee anything.

Judging him after this summers transfers would be a better idea.
I know you don't like to wait, you'd rather jump straight in, but you might just need too.

Grimsby Claret · Post by **Grimsby Claret** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 9:54 am

Sean Dyche is simply irreplaceable at Burnley.
So everyone connected with Burnley agree his time is far from up.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 10:03 am

Of course he's replaceable just like Wenger.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 10:04 am

He has had a big enough squad and enough money to buy flexibility he hasn't done that.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 10:18 am

ablueclaret wrote:He has had a big enough squad and enough money to buy flexibility he hasn't done that.

He went out and signed Joey, Defour, Hendrick & then Brady.

Hendrick looks better now he's settled in, Joey looked very good, unlucky with injuries with Defour but there have been signs that he's clearly a superior player in regards to technical ability and he's been playing Brady on the wrong flank.

Next season we will look a better team, but the fact is you're to impatient is what it boils down to at the end of the day.

As for the squad, I'm still waiting for you to give us your idea of what it should compromise.

lovebeingaclaret · Post by **lovebeingaclaret** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 1:10 pm

ablueclaret wrote:He has had a big enough squad and enough money to buy flexibility he hasn't done that.

Who should he have bought?

timshorts · Post by **timshorts** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 1:23 pm

...............and why Pulis and Dyche have good financial records but "Harry" has played a big part in creating financial disaster of one form or other in most clubs he has been with.

pushpinpussy · Post by **pushpinpussy** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 3:26 pm

We are overachieving and people are still moaning. Jesus wept.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 4:02 pm

timshorts wrote:...............and why Pulis and Dyche have good financial records but "Harry" has played a big part in creating financial disaster of one form or other in most clubs he has been with.

Ah but Arry is a cheeky cockney darling of the media, you're not allowed to point out he's nothing special.

Anyway, his dog looks after his finances and it's the clubs fault for letting him **** money away on crap players.

lovebeingaclaret · Post by **lovebeingaclaret** » Fri Apr 14, 2017 4:47 pm

abc I'm sure loads of folk are interested in who you feel Dyche should have bought and who he should be interested in for next season. Any chance of imparting your knowledge on this?

bartons baggage · Post by **bartons baggage** » Fri Apr 14, 2017 5:09 pm

lovebeingaclaret wrote:abc I'm sure loads of folk are interested in who you feel Dyche should have bought and who he should be interested in for next season. Any chance of imparting your knowledge on this?

Take no notice of him.
His post become more bizarre as the full moon approaches.
He'll be down the allotment tickling his Tarky's.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Fri Apr 14, 2017 7:20 pm

I've always said we should be scouting young players with ambition, not players who have already developed to their potential, this season we have headed down that road again.

We need pace skill and vision, and some resilience, look for players with that, it's simple.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Fri Apr 14, 2017 7:21 pm

Taking CT's logic on Keane I think we should expect SD to leave this summer, if he is ever to get that England job.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Apr 14, 2017 7:22 pm

So all the young players the club signed the last few windows don't count?
Or are you hoping we've forgotten about those signings?

lovebeingaclaret · Post by **lovebeingaclaret** » Fri Apr 14, 2017 11:56 pm

ablueclaret wrote:I've always said we should be scouting young players with ambition, not players who have already developed to their potential, this season we have headed down that road again.

We need pace skill and vision, and some resilience, look for players with that, it's simple.

So basically you have no idea which players we should have signed and which players we should sign.

Perhaps you shouldn't mention that we should be looking for young players with ambition who have pace, skill and vision who also have resilience and how simple that is else it might alert other bigger clubs to start looking for them also.