Agyei -Once we're mathematically safe
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Agyei -Once we're mathematically safe
Will he see some more game time to fatten him up for next season?
Or is an extra few million quid for potentially finishing higher up the table more important short term?
Or is an extra few million quid for potentially finishing higher up the table more important short term?
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Re: Agyei -Once we're mathematically safe
Should have got a least 20 mins at Sunderland.
Definatley worth a sub spot and on tomorrow if we are leading with 30 mins to go.
At Swansea we sat back instead of going for the jugular
Too much caution against weak sides has cost us.
I do feel we will win our next two ways though
Definatley worth a sub spot and on tomorrow if we are leading with 30 mins to go.
At Swansea we sat back instead of going for the jugular
Too much caution against weak sides has cost us.
I do feel we will win our next two ways though
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Re: Agyei -Once we're mathematically safe
For a start I don't think he should have got 20 mins at Sunderland nor do I think he should be on tomorrow if we are leading with half an hour to go. As for us sitting back against Swansea, can't agree with that either, they pushed us back.Woodleyclaret wrote:Should have got a least 20 mins at Sunderland.
Definatley worth a sub spot and on tomorrow if we are leading with 30 mins to go.
At Swansea we sat back instead of going for the jugular
Too much caution against weak sides has cost us.
I do feel we will win our next two ways though
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Re: Agyei -Once we're mathematically safe
Apart from that, you agree with everything he said, yeah?ClaretTony wrote:For a start I don't think he should have got 20 mins at Sunderland nor do I think he should be on tomorrow if we are leading with half an hour to go. As for us sitting back against Swansea, can't agree with that either, they pushed us back.
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Re: Agyei -Once we're mathematically safe
Would love to see him do well but we're in a position (and have been for the majority of the last 4 seasons) where it is very difficult to blood youngsters. There's just been too much at stake either pushing for promotion or fighting relegation.
Hopefully we'll get a couple more wins quickly and then be able to experiment with the team a little on the final games.
Failing that, hopefully he'll get a loan with a Championship club next season and get some football at a higher level.
Hopefully we'll get a couple more wins quickly and then be able to experiment with the team a little on the final games.
Failing that, hopefully he'll get a loan with a Championship club next season and get some football at a higher level.
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Re: Agyei -Once we're mathematically safe
At the current rate of reward for every place at the end of the season, I hope that SD does his best to finish as high as possible. Unless we are very comfortably winning in any of our last few games of the season, I can't see Aggers getting on the pitch for even 10 minutes. Stranger things have happened though.
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Re: Agyei -Once we're mathematically safe
How about Sunderland at home? Is there a case for him coming on for Gray after his hat trick?ClaretTony wrote:For a start I don't think he should have got 20 mins at Sunderland nor do I think he should be on tomorrow if we are leading with half an hour to go. As for us sitting back against Swansea, can't agree with that either, they pushed us back.
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Re: Agyei -Once we're mathematically safe
I'd like to see it happen personally.
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Re: Agyei -Once we're mathematically safe
Was he on the bench for the Sunderland (home) game?
That's the only time this season we've been comfortably ahead. Hopefully he gets the odd 5/10 minutes between now and the end of the season. Sean's probably already thinking about next season for him. If he can say regular in our match day squad for the last 10/12 games then should improve our chances of getting him out on a decent loan, Championship would be ideal. Perhaps somewhere like Forest with the Warburton link.
That's the only time this season we've been comfortably ahead. Hopefully he gets the odd 5/10 minutes between now and the end of the season. Sean's probably already thinking about next season for him. If he can say regular in our match day squad for the last 10/12 games then should improve our chances of getting him out on a decent loan, Championship would be ideal. Perhaps somewhere like Forest with the Warburton link.
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Re: Agyei -Once we're mathematically safe
You only have to look at Southampton for what a brilliant youth and scouting system they have brought in over the last 5 years.
Llanna, Shaw, Targett. Chamber, Reed.
They were in the exact same position as us between 2010-14, back to back promotions, premier league survival and establishing themselves as PL team. All of which was done with taking chance's on unestablished/young players and having a bit of trust in them..
If they take heir chance on youngsters, I have no idea why we don't.
Llanna, Shaw, Targett. Chamber, Reed.
They were in the exact same position as us between 2010-14, back to back promotions, premier league survival and establishing themselves as PL team. All of which was done with taking chance's on unestablished/young players and having a bit of trust in them..
If they take heir chance on youngsters, I have no idea why we don't.
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Re: Agyei -Once we're mathematically safe
I'm so glad you didnt say he should be in centre midfield.ablueclaret wrote:SD

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Re: Agyei -Once we're mathematically safe
Before them they found Walcott, Bale, the Ox and Callum Chambers. That's some setup they've got down there.criminalclaret wrote:You only have to look at Southampton for what a brilliant youth and scouting system they have brought in over the last 5 years.
Llanna, Shaw, Targett. Chamber, Reed.
They were in the exact same position as us between 2010-14, back to back promotions, premier league survival and establishing themselves as PL team. All of which was done with taking chance's on unestablished/young players and having a bit of trust in them..
If they take heir chance on youngsters, I have no idea why we don't.
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Re: Agyei -Once we're mathematically safe
Agyei is worth giving ten minutes to.
Why not. He could save us a few million in the summer on another striker.
Why not. He could save us a few million in the summer on another striker.
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Re: Agyei -Once we're mathematically safe
Pre-season
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Re: Agyei -Once we're mathematically safe
None whatsoever - he wasn't eligible to play for us until his loan ended at Coventry in January.bfccrazy wrote:How about Sunderland at home? Is there a case for him coming on for Gray after his hat trick?
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Re: Agyei -Once we're mathematically safe
Should definitely be involved and more so when safe.
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Re: Agyei -Once we're mathematically safe
criminalclaret wrote:You only have to look at Southampton for what a brilliant youth and scouting system they have brought in over the last 5 years.
Llanna, Shaw, Targett. Chamber, Reed.
They were in the exact same position as us between 2010-14, back to back promotions, premier league survival and establishing themselves as PL team. All of which was done with taking chance's on unestablished/young players and having a bit of trust in them..
If they take heir chance on youngsters, I have no idea why we don't.
Southampton have a long established academy which since EPPP is one of the leading Cat 1 academies in the country. They weren't in the same position as us between 2010-2014, they've been back in the Premier League now since 2012. Their catchment area is hugely better than ours, they've invested millions in their academy. No way on earth can we be compared to them.
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Re: Agyei -Once we're mathematically safe
Wasnt 100% on when his loan ended and couldnt be bothered researchingClaretTony wrote:None whatsoever - he wasn't eligible to play for us until his loan ended at Coventry in January.

Would love to see him involved and was a bit disheartened he couldnt play in the cup for us as it would have been great for him.
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Re: Agyei -Once we're mathematically safe
It was only because the Sunderland game was New Year's Eve that I knew. Not sure when he came back but loans have to be window to window so it had to be some time in January. If I'm not mistaken, I think he might have travelled to the Etihad with the squad on 2nd Jan.bfccrazy wrote:Wasnt 100% on when his loan ended and couldnt be bothered researching![]()
Would love to see him involved and was a bit disheartened he couldnt play in the cup for us as it would have been great for him.
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Re: Agyei -Once we're mathematically safe
I don't think our fans can be trusted with blooding a young lad, unfortunately.
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Re: Agyei -Once we're mathematically safe
From what I remember ClaretTony, who is probably one of the only people on here who has seen anything of Agyei said he was nowhere near good enough for the first team. I think I'd prefer to trust that opinion and loan him out next season at a lower league club.
I'm not sure if it's football fans in general, or just on this board, but we can take an average player (Ulvestad)... let him do ONE pass and then we make him out he's the next Paul Gascoigne.
I'm not sure if it's football fans in general, or just on this board, but we can take an average player (Ulvestad)... let him do ONE pass and then we make him out he's the next Paul Gascoigne.
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Re: Agyei -Once we're mathematically safe
Im sure if and when we get safe, he might get a few more minutes here and there, but whilst he's clearly a prospect i'd caution against expecting too much too soon. I can't imagine him starting a game this season for example, and i doubt he'll be replacing Gray in the starting XI next season should Gray leave.
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Re: Agyei -Once we're mathematically safe
And not long after that he was playing at Anfield.FactualFrank wrote:From what I remember ClaretTony, who is probably one of the only people on here who has seen anything of Agyei said he was nowhere near good enough for the first team. I think I'd prefer to trust that opinion and loan him out next season at a lower league club.
I'm not sure if it's football fans in general, or just on this board, but we can take an average player (Ulvestad)... let him do ONE pass and then we make him out he's the next Paul Gascoigne.
Not many of us have seen a massive amount of him live but from what we have seen we can form an opinion on. And if he is in the matchday squad he is impressing.
I saw him pre season where he looked very impressive. Seen a few of the youth games he played for us in. Saw Youtube footage of him before we signed him. And saw plenty of highlights of him at Coventry including that pheonomenal goal he scored after running the length of the pitch with the ball.
He is physically developed. He has an eye for goal. He has touch, awareness and skill. The only way he can develop them skills even more is in meaningful situations and proper games.
Look at Rashford. Thrown in. Took his chance. They are almost identical in age. Whilst I am not saying Agyei is Rashfords level, there is no reason why we shouldnt start seeing more of him.
Once we are safe he should figure a lot more. Win our next two games and our last six could be his pre season. Could play a huge part in his development. Absolutely massive. 6 premier league games for 'free'.
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Re: Agyei -Once we're mathematically safe
This is a fair comment. I remember Lafferty being abused on his bloody debut!Burnleyareback2 wrote:I don't think our fans can be trusted with blooding a young lad, unfortunately.
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Re: Agyei -Once we're mathematically safe
There's nothing better to attract young players to the club than giving them game time.
Everton don't seem to have a problem trusting them to play in pressure situations.
Everton don't seem to have a problem trusting them to play in pressure situations.
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Re: Agyei -Once we're mathematically safe
One difference, Everton have young players capable of playing in the Premier League, we don't. We're clutching at straws here, next it will be Ginelly - he can't even get a game at Lincoln.Quickenthetempo wrote:There's nothing better to attract young players to the club than giving them game time.
Everton don't seem to have a problem trusting them to play in pressure situations.
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Re: Agyei -Once we're mathematically safe
Chelsea have lots capable of playing in the premier league as I imagine a lot of clubs do, but it still takes a lot of injuries or a brilliant manager who is prepared to take a bit of stick now and then to use them.SkiptonClaret wrote:One difference, Everton have young players capable of playing in the Premier League, we don't. We're clutching at straws here, next it will be Ginelly - he can't even get a game at Lincoln.
Re: Agyei -Once we're mathematically safe
Clearly it's way too early to be expecting anything of note from this lad but if he was nowhere near good enough for the 1st team he wouldn't be on the bench whether we're low on numbers or not.