Agyei -Once we're mathematically safe

This Forum is the main messageboard to discuss all things Claret and Blue and beyond
Post Reply
Croydon Claret
Posts: 4562
Joined: Sat Apr 02, 2016 4:03 pm
Been Liked: 1362 times
Has Liked: 1116 times

Agyei -Once we're mathematically safe

Post by Croydon Claret » Fri Apr 07, 2017 6:15 pm

Will he see some more game time to fatten him up for next season?

Or is an extra few million quid for potentially finishing higher up the table more important short term?

Woodleyclaret
Posts: 8678
Joined: Fri Jan 22, 2016 4:25 pm
Been Liked: 1869 times
Has Liked: 2232 times

Re: Agyei -Once we're mathematically safe

Post by Woodleyclaret » Fri Apr 07, 2017 6:23 pm

Should have got a least 20 mins at Sunderland.
Definatley worth a sub spot and on tomorrow if we are leading with 30 mins to go.
At Swansea we sat back instead of going for the jugular
Too much caution against weak sides has cost us.
I do feel we will win our next two ways though

ClaretTony
Posts: 77534
Joined: Thu Dec 24, 2015 3:07 pm
Been Liked: 37926 times
Has Liked: 5762 times
Location: Burnley
Contact:

Re: Agyei -Once we're mathematically safe

Post by ClaretTony » Fri Apr 07, 2017 6:34 pm

Woodleyclaret wrote:Should have got a least 20 mins at Sunderland.
Definatley worth a sub spot and on tomorrow if we are leading with 30 mins to go.
At Swansea we sat back instead of going for the jugular
Too much caution against weak sides has cost us.
I do feel we will win our next two ways though
For a start I don't think he should have got 20 mins at Sunderland nor do I think he should be on tomorrow if we are leading with half an hour to go. As for us sitting back against Swansea, can't agree with that either, they pushed us back.

Sean Dyche's Watch
Posts: 827
Joined: Thu Dec 29, 2016 12:49 pm
Been Liked: 233 times

Re: Agyei -Once we're mathematically safe

Post by Sean Dyche's Watch » Fri Apr 07, 2017 6:35 pm

ClaretTony wrote:For a start I don't think he should have got 20 mins at Sunderland nor do I think he should be on tomorrow if we are leading with half an hour to go. As for us sitting back against Swansea, can't agree with that either, they pushed us back.
Apart from that, you agree with everything he said, yeah?
These 3 users liked this post: FactualFrank St Austell Claret morpheus2

TheFamilyCat
Posts: 12231
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 8:56 pm
Been Liked: 6022 times
Has Liked: 226 times

Re: Agyei -Once we're mathematically safe

Post by TheFamilyCat » Fri Apr 07, 2017 7:30 pm

Would love to see him do well but we're in a position (and have been for the majority of the last 4 seasons) where it is very difficult to blood youngsters. There's just been too much at stake either pushing for promotion or fighting relegation.

Hopefully we'll get a couple more wins quickly and then be able to experiment with the team a little on the final games.

Failing that, hopefully he'll get a loan with a Championship club next season and get some football at a higher level.
This user liked this post: Croydon Claret

No Ney Never
Posts: 2771
Joined: Mon Jan 25, 2016 10:31 pm
Been Liked: 918 times
Has Liked: 335 times

Re: Agyei -Once we're mathematically safe

Post by No Ney Never » Fri Apr 07, 2017 7:55 pm

At the current rate of reward for every place at the end of the season, I hope that SD does his best to finish as high as possible. Unless we are very comfortably winning in any of our last few games of the season, I can't see Aggers getting on the pitch for even 10 minutes. Stranger things have happened though.
This user liked this post: Croydon Claret

bfccrazy
Posts: 5249
Joined: Wed Feb 17, 2016 1:18 pm
Been Liked: 2129 times
Has Liked: 419 times
Location: Burnley

Re: Agyei -Once we're mathematically safe

Post by bfccrazy » Fri Apr 07, 2017 8:10 pm

ClaretTony wrote:For a start I don't think he should have got 20 mins at Sunderland nor do I think he should be on tomorrow if we are leading with half an hour to go. As for us sitting back against Swansea, can't agree with that either, they pushed us back.
How about Sunderland at home? Is there a case for him coming on for Gray after his hat trick?

ClaretMoffitt
Posts: 3896
Joined: Fri Jan 22, 2016 7:19 pm
Been Liked: 1218 times
Has Liked: 807 times

Re: Agyei -Once we're mathematically safe

Post by ClaretMoffitt » Fri Apr 07, 2017 8:23 pm

I'd like to see it happen personally.

EarbyClaret
Posts: 1426
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 9:48 am
Been Liked: 510 times

Re: Agyei -Once we're mathematically safe

Post by EarbyClaret » Fri Apr 07, 2017 8:26 pm

Was he on the bench for the Sunderland (home) game?

That's the only time this season we've been comfortably ahead. Hopefully he gets the odd 5/10 minutes between now and the end of the season. Sean's probably already thinking about next season for him. If he can say regular in our match day squad for the last 10/12 games then should improve our chances of getting him out on a decent loan, Championship would be ideal. Perhaps somewhere like Forest with the Warburton link.

criminalclaret
Posts: 1034
Joined: Sat Mar 05, 2016 7:14 pm
Been Liked: 292 times
Has Liked: 112 times

Re: Agyei -Once we're mathematically safe

Post by criminalclaret » Fri Apr 07, 2017 8:32 pm

You only have to look at Southampton for what a brilliant youth and scouting system they have brought in over the last 5 years.

Llanna, Shaw, Targett. Chamber, Reed.

They were in the exact same position as us between 2010-14, back to back promotions, premier league survival and establishing themselves as PL team. All of which was done with taking chance's on unestablished/young players and having a bit of trust in them..

If they take heir chance on youngsters, I have no idea why we don't.

ablueclaret
Posts: 3148
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 10:05 am
Been Liked: 403 times
Has Liked: 50 times

Re: Agyei -Once we're mathematically safe

Post by ablueclaret » Fri Apr 07, 2017 8:38 pm

SD

bfccrazy
Posts: 5249
Joined: Wed Feb 17, 2016 1:18 pm
Been Liked: 2129 times
Has Liked: 419 times
Location: Burnley

Re: Agyei -Once we're mathematically safe

Post by bfccrazy » Fri Apr 07, 2017 8:40 pm

ablueclaret wrote:SD
I'm so glad you didnt say he should be in centre midfield. :lol:
This user liked this post: Sidney1st

minnieclaret
Posts: 6842
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 9:05 am
Been Liked: 2012 times
Has Liked: 2287 times
Location: lismore co. waterford

Re: Agyei -Once we're mathematically safe

Post by minnieclaret » Fri Apr 07, 2017 8:40 pm

criminalclaret wrote:You only have to look at Southampton for what a brilliant youth and scouting system they have brought in over the last 5 years.

Llanna, Shaw, Targett. Chamber, Reed.

They were in the exact same position as us between 2010-14, back to back promotions, premier league survival and establishing themselves as PL team. All of which was done with taking chance's on unestablished/young players and having a bit of trust in them..

If they take heir chance on youngsters, I have no idea why we don't.
Before them they found Walcott, Bale, the Ox and Callum Chambers. That's some setup they've got down there.

Newcastleclaret93
Posts: 13225
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 12:29 pm
Been Liked: 1967 times
Has Liked: 386 times

Re: Agyei -Once we're mathematically safe

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Fri Apr 07, 2017 8:41 pm

Agyei is worth giving ten minutes to.
Why not. He could save us a few million in the summer on another striker.

NRC
Posts: 4288
Joined: Sat Jan 23, 2016 9:58 pm
Been Liked: 908 times
Has Liked: 107 times
Location: Containment Area for Relocated Yankees, NC

Re: Agyei -Once we're mathematically safe

Post by NRC » Fri Apr 07, 2017 8:55 pm

Pre-season

ClaretTony
Posts: 77534
Joined: Thu Dec 24, 2015 3:07 pm
Been Liked: 37926 times
Has Liked: 5762 times
Location: Burnley
Contact:

Re: Agyei -Once we're mathematically safe

Post by ClaretTony » Fri Apr 07, 2017 9:02 pm

bfccrazy wrote:How about Sunderland at home? Is there a case for him coming on for Gray after his hat trick?
None whatsoever - he wasn't eligible to play for us until his loan ended at Coventry in January.
This user liked this post: Burnleyareback2

cricketfieldclarets
Posts: 21464
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 9:59 pm
Been Liked: 8585 times
Has Liked: 11285 times

Re: Agyei -Once we're mathematically safe

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Fri Apr 07, 2017 9:03 pm

Should definitely be involved and more so when safe.

ClaretTony
Posts: 77534
Joined: Thu Dec 24, 2015 3:07 pm
Been Liked: 37926 times
Has Liked: 5762 times
Location: Burnley
Contact:

Re: Agyei -Once we're mathematically safe

Post by ClaretTony » Fri Apr 07, 2017 9:09 pm

criminalclaret wrote:You only have to look at Southampton for what a brilliant youth and scouting system they have brought in over the last 5 years.

Llanna, Shaw, Targett. Chamber, Reed.

They were in the exact same position as us between 2010-14, back to back promotions, premier league survival and establishing themselves as PL team. All of which was done with taking chance's on unestablished/young players and having a bit of trust in them..

If they take heir chance on youngsters, I have no idea why we don't.

Southampton have a long established academy which since EPPP is one of the leading Cat 1 academies in the country. They weren't in the same position as us between 2010-2014, they've been back in the Premier League now since 2012. Their catchment area is hugely better than ours, they've invested millions in their academy. No way on earth can we be compared to them.
This user liked this post: BertiesBeehole

bfccrazy
Posts: 5249
Joined: Wed Feb 17, 2016 1:18 pm
Been Liked: 2129 times
Has Liked: 419 times
Location: Burnley

Re: Agyei -Once we're mathematically safe

Post by bfccrazy » Fri Apr 07, 2017 9:09 pm

ClaretTony wrote:None whatsoever - he wasn't eligible to play for us until his loan ended at Coventry in January.
Wasnt 100% on when his loan ended and couldnt be bothered researching :lol:

Would love to see him involved and was a bit disheartened he couldnt play in the cup for us as it would have been great for him.
This user liked this post: sox8595

ClaretTony
Posts: 77534
Joined: Thu Dec 24, 2015 3:07 pm
Been Liked: 37926 times
Has Liked: 5762 times
Location: Burnley
Contact:

Re: Agyei -Once we're mathematically safe

Post by ClaretTony » Fri Apr 07, 2017 9:13 pm

bfccrazy wrote:Wasnt 100% on when his loan ended and couldnt be bothered researching :lol:

Would love to see him involved and was a bit disheartened he couldnt play in the cup for us as it would have been great for him.
It was only because the Sunderland game was New Year's Eve that I knew. Not sure when he came back but loans have to be window to window so it had to be some time in January. If I'm not mistaken, I think he might have travelled to the Etihad with the squad on 2nd Jan.

Burnleyareback2
Posts: 2987
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 10:07 pm
Been Liked: 887 times
Has Liked: 1675 times
Location: Mostly Europe

Re: Agyei -Once we're mathematically safe

Post by Burnleyareback2 » Fri Apr 07, 2017 10:22 pm

I don't think our fans can be trusted with blooding a young lad, unfortunately.

FactualFrank
Posts: 25445
Joined: Sat Mar 26, 2016 12:46 am
Been Liked: 6930 times
Has Liked: 11660 times
Location: Leeds

Re: Agyei -Once we're mathematically safe

Post by FactualFrank » Fri Apr 07, 2017 10:38 pm

From what I remember ClaretTony, who is probably one of the only people on here who has seen anything of Agyei said he was nowhere near good enough for the first team. I think I'd prefer to trust that opinion and loan him out next season at a lower league club.

I'm not sure if it's football fans in general, or just on this board, but we can take an average player (Ulvestad)... let him do ONE pass and then we make him out he's the next Paul Gascoigne.

claretspice
Posts: 6413
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 9:13 am
Been Liked: 3169 times
Has Liked: 150 times

Re: Agyei -Once we're mathematically safe

Post by claretspice » Fri Apr 07, 2017 10:48 pm

Im sure if and when we get safe, he might get a few more minutes here and there, but whilst he's clearly a prospect i'd caution against expecting too much too soon. I can't imagine him starting a game this season for example, and i doubt he'll be replacing Gray in the starting XI next season should Gray leave.

cricketfieldclarets
Posts: 21464
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 9:59 pm
Been Liked: 8585 times
Has Liked: 11285 times

Re: Agyei -Once we're mathematically safe

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Fri Apr 07, 2017 10:50 pm

FactualFrank wrote:From what I remember ClaretTony, who is probably one of the only people on here who has seen anything of Agyei said he was nowhere near good enough for the first team. I think I'd prefer to trust that opinion and loan him out next season at a lower league club.

I'm not sure if it's football fans in general, or just on this board, but we can take an average player (Ulvestad)... let him do ONE pass and then we make him out he's the next Paul Gascoigne.
And not long after that he was playing at Anfield.

Not many of us have seen a massive amount of him live but from what we have seen we can form an opinion on. And if he is in the matchday squad he is impressing.

I saw him pre season where he looked very impressive. Seen a few of the youth games he played for us in. Saw Youtube footage of him before we signed him. And saw plenty of highlights of him at Coventry including that pheonomenal goal he scored after running the length of the pitch with the ball.

He is physically developed. He has an eye for goal. He has touch, awareness and skill. The only way he can develop them skills even more is in meaningful situations and proper games.

Look at Rashford. Thrown in. Took his chance. They are almost identical in age. Whilst I am not saying Agyei is Rashfords level, there is no reason why we shouldnt start seeing more of him.

Once we are safe he should figure a lot more. Win our next two games and our last six could be his pre season. Could play a huge part in his development. Absolutely massive. 6 premier league games for 'free'.

cricketfieldclarets
Posts: 21464
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 9:59 pm
Been Liked: 8585 times
Has Liked: 11285 times

Re: Agyei -Once we're mathematically safe

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Fri Apr 07, 2017 10:50 pm

Burnleyareback2 wrote:I don't think our fans can be trusted with blooding a young lad, unfortunately.
This is a fair comment. I remember Lafferty being abused on his bloody debut!
This user liked this post: Burnleyareback2

Quickenthetempo
Posts: 19762
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 10:35 am
Been Liked: 4198 times
Has Liked: 2244 times

Re: Agyei -Once we're mathematically safe

Post by Quickenthetempo » Fri Apr 07, 2017 11:26 pm

There's nothing better to attract young players to the club than giving them game time.
Everton don't seem to have a problem trusting them to play in pressure situations.

SkiptonClaret
Posts: 1382
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 10:06 pm
Been Liked: 295 times
Has Liked: 96 times

Re: Agyei -Once we're mathematically safe

Post by SkiptonClaret » Fri Apr 07, 2017 11:53 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:There's nothing better to attract young players to the club than giving them game time.
Everton don't seem to have a problem trusting them to play in pressure situations.
One difference, Everton have young players capable of playing in the Premier League, we don't. We're clutching at straws here, next it will be Ginelly - he can't even get a game at Lincoln.

Quickenthetempo
Posts: 19762
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 10:35 am
Been Liked: 4198 times
Has Liked: 2244 times

Re: Agyei -Once we're mathematically safe

Post by Quickenthetempo » Sat Apr 08, 2017 10:28 am

SkiptonClaret wrote:One difference, Everton have young players capable of playing in the Premier League, we don't. We're clutching at straws here, next it will be Ginelly - he can't even get a game at Lincoln.
Chelsea have lots capable of playing in the premier league as I imagine a lot of clubs do, but it still takes a lot of injuries or a brilliant manager who is prepared to take a bit of stick now and then to use them.

Walt
Posts: 693
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 10:01 pm
Been Liked: 158 times
Has Liked: 270 times

Re: Agyei -Once we're mathematically safe

Post by Walt » Sat Apr 08, 2017 10:44 am

Clearly it's way too early to be expecting anything of note from this lad but if he was nowhere near good enough for the 1st team he wouldn't be on the bench whether we're low on numbers or not.

Post Reply