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Re: All Labour members are racist

Post by Rowls » Mon Apr 10, 2017 8:17 pm

Spijed wrote:1. Depends on whether people see Thatcher as someone who can do no wrong.
2. See link: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ah-friends" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
3. I agree to that
4. Only down to numbers, but his actions were as bad.
5. See link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/304516.stm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
1. That's not true. Plenty of people care about what Pinochet did. Many of them also think Margaret Thatcher was a very good PM
2. He only regrets it now he's leader. He was hardly 18 when he said it. He didn't just do it once either. These argument have only become apparent to the dimwitted Corbyn when the realities of leading a political party dawned on him. I'm happy to take his word of regret but do you know of any articles that quote him actually saying sorry as opposed to just expressing the much more ambiguous 'regret'?
3. Glad we agree. I don't like people implying that because I believe X I must believe Y without any logic.
4. Well in that case so is Myra Hindley, Harold Shipman, etc etc.... We've fallen into some kind of Ken Livingstone Hitler Trap here. It would have been better just to drop the Hitler comparison from the start.
5. I repeat, Margaret Thatcher was not "fine" with Pinochet's actions. She treated him as a friend because he acted as a friend. She stood by him. That's what friends do.
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Re: All Labour members are racist

Post by Rowls » Mon Apr 10, 2017 8:19 pm

Rowls wrote:Hahahaha!

If we're on the subject of "taking things literally" can we talk about the thread title and the headline to the story?

Can we?

Can we?

:D :D :D
Please!

Pretty please!

:D :D :D :D

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Re: All Labour members are racist

Post by bluelabrador16 » Mon Apr 10, 2017 8:25 pm

Imploding Turtle

"What did he do that was so terrible? Aside from being black."
He played the game of going along with the agenda. ("A leader who can deliver change") Not.
"Where does this sense of entitlement to meddle in the affairs of other countries come from? It is remarkable how little questioned is the practice of involving the U.S. state in the matters of other countries....

The U.S. has 800 plus military bases around the world. There is no corner of the globe where you will not find the U.S. military. Do Americans think other countries WANT the U.S.military on their soil? I suppose some do, the fascistic current regime in Poland probably does. And even here in Norway, a nation of inestimable achievements and daily sanity, the general feeling is that having U.S. and NATO around serves as protection. But protection from what? This is really the question, or rather two questions. Who can possibly be thinking of invading Poland or Norway or Japan? The U.S. has bases in Italy, South Korea, Djibouti, Spain, Bahrain, Kuwait, Greece, it has 38 bases in Germany, and bases in the Bahamas, and in Brazil and Honduras and Singapore and Belgium. The list just goes on and on and on. ..

Why does the U.S. have a base in Bulgaria? The answer is, global hegemony. Total and absolute control of the world. That is the goal. And yet this topic is never ever raised in electoral debates or in mainstream media. Never ever......

http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/04/07/ ... ers-rolex/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Comment:

1....Dada "Total and absolute control for who, or what, though. The US? On one level, sure. International capital? On another level, yes....."

2....
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Re: All Labour members are racist

Post by Rowls » Mon Apr 10, 2017 8:26 pm

Uh oh.

BlueLabradoodle is here.

Everybody run!
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Re: All Labour members are racist

Post by bluelabrador16 » Mon Apr 10, 2017 8:30 pm

Evening Rowls.

I hope life is good for you in France.

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Re: All Labour members are racist

Post by Rowls » Mon Apr 10, 2017 8:38 pm

All good thanks.

Haven't met a single Zionist yet.

How's Trawden keeping?

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Re: All Labour members are racist

Post by bluelabrador16 » Mon Apr 10, 2017 8:49 pm

Fine thanks.

I do a lot of walking with my dogs.

I'm also looking forward to the upcoming The Trawden Beer & Music Festival (20-22 April).

Well recommended.

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Re: All Labour members are racist

Post by ClaretMoffitt » Mon Apr 10, 2017 8:56 pm

Rowls wrote:All good thanks.

Haven't met a single Zionist yet.

How's Trawden keeping?

:lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: All Labour members are racist

Post by KRBFC » Mon Apr 10, 2017 8:58 pm

I can't believe people actually argue over politics :lol: Do you people really believe words that come out of a politicians mouth? The worrying thing is, the way people argue, I think they do. It's like you close your eyes and pick a party, then defend them like they're your own children even when they do wrong and blatantly lie. Why can't people just wake up and see politics for what it really is? Mass Manipulation for brainwashed sheep. You're all sat arguing over nonsense

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Re: All Labour members are racist

Post by Imploding Turtle » Mon Apr 10, 2017 9:07 pm

Accesses me of childishness then uses terms like "turdlebrains". Oh and also thinks that" triggered" is an alt-right insult.

Tells me, are you immune to embarrassment?

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Re: All Labour members are racist

Post by Imploding Turtle » Mon Apr 10, 2017 9:10 pm

HatfieldClaret wrote:You drew me in nicely there; you normally post sh!te so I disagree vehemently. You post a reasonable view and i get suckered in and agree with you !! :oops:

Erm. What? I was taking the **** out of a really stupid DM article. We do agree but you seemed to think we didn't.

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Re: All Labour members are racist

Post by bluelabrador16 » Mon Apr 10, 2017 9:27 pm

KRBFC

"..Do you people really believe words that come out of a politicians mouth?"
Doh! Think of it as a kind of hobby, for me at least.

You might be more interested in the following articles:
Obscured American: Rudy Dent a 9-11 First Responder

http://www.unz.com/ldinh/obscured-ameri ... responder/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The “Chemical Attack” and the Khan Sheikoun Show – A New President Proudly Presented By “Trump Productions”....By Moon of Alabama

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-chemic ... ns/5584277" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
There’s a terrifying sense of deja vu as the Generals take over the White House ....John Bradley

Touch of irony:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ADLEY.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: All Labour members are racist

Post by Damo » Mon Apr 10, 2017 9:38 pm

KRBFC wrote:I can't believe people actually argue over politics :lol: Do you people really believe words that come out of a politicians mouth? The worrying thing is, the way people argue, I think they do. It's like you close your eyes and pick a party, then defend them like they're your own children even when they do wrong and blatantly lie. Why can't people just wake up and see politics for what it really is? Mass Manipulation for brainwashed sheep. You're all sat arguing over nonsense
Yeah I agree. Instead of arguing over nonsense they should arrange a fight in Wetherspoons or something

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Re: All Labour members are racist

Post by KRBFC » Mon Apr 10, 2017 9:51 pm

Damo wrote:Yeah I agree. Instead of arguing over nonsense they should arrange a fight in Wetherspoons or something
The day I'm gullible enough to argue over a newspaper article wrote to cause controversy is is the day I'll give up. It's puzzling the amount of brainwashed sheep who believe everything wrote in the media and consider politicians to be anything other than lying slimey selfish pigs who's aim is to brainwash as many people as possible to gain votes.
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Re: All Labour members are racist

Post by Sidney1st » Mon Apr 10, 2017 10:13 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:I think you're ignorant to the political knowledge of young people.
I'm nearly 37 and I haven't got a clue what makes someone a left or right wing politically minded person.

From what I've read it would appear some political parties don't know which they are either.
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Re: All Labour members are racist

Post by Imploding Turtle » Mon Apr 10, 2017 10:20 pm

Sidney1st wrote:I'm nearly 37 and I haven't got a clue what makes someone a left or right wing politically minded person.

From what I've read it would appear some political parties don't know which they are either.
I think if you think government can be at all competent when run properly then you're left wing,. If you think government is a form of oppression then you're right wing. At least that what the papers want us to think.

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Re: All Labour members are racist

Post by Sidney1st » Mon Apr 10, 2017 10:30 pm

No Government has been run completely competently that I can recall.
Some are better then others, but overall they tend to look after their backers and themselves.

Oppression?
Nah, someone has to try and run the place, might as well leave the patients in charge so to speak.

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Re: All Labour members are racist

Post by ontario claret » Tue Apr 11, 2017 12:19 am

Hey, the truth is, we're all racists. It's just natural for someone to feel more comfortable with people who share their beliefs and values.

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Re: All Labour members are racist

Post by Rowls » Tue Apr 11, 2017 1:26 am

bluelabrador16 wrote:Fine thanks.
I do a lot of walking with my dogs.
I'm also looking forward to the upcoming The Trawden Beer & Music Festival (20-22 April).
Well recommended.
You know, if we kept off the politics and "the Jews" mayhap we'd enjoy a good natter over a pint. Sounds like a good gig at Trawden for the festival -enjoy! :)
Imploding Turtle wrote:Accesses me of childishness then uses terms like "turdlebrains". Oh and also thinks that" triggered" is an alt-right insult.
Tells me, are you immune to embarrassment?
It's late and I'm aware you may have been drinking but did you mean "accuses" or "assesses" here? Or perhaps can we kindly suggest that autocorrect has gone and done something incoherent to your words tonight?

Either way, I'm not sure what you're getting at. Perhaps have a think about it in the morning with a clearer head?

As for the word "trigger": In this context it was first used by militant students who demanded "trigger warnings" to come in studies that may contain material that could "trigger" distressing memories.

This started with the best of intentions - preventing refugees from watching graphic videos of war crime scenes etc but soon spiralled into hard-left student groups demanding that entire swathes of historical events be censored for fear of offending anyone. The phenomena has probably peaked now because of the ridicule it has received.

The ridicule is based around the right-wing press (notably the 'alt-right') who adopted the phrase "triggered" from the original request for "trigger warnings" about anything and everything that formed part of their education. Anyone found to be making tenuous and wafer-thin complaints of "offence" was said to be "triggered".

On a personal level I remember a lecturer informing me before beginning their speech that our module on the American Civil War contains facets of information and incidents of racism that "may cause offence". D'uh. This was in 2007.

Naturally, I was offended at her assumption that we were all pig-ignorant churls without at least a rudimentary knowledge of modern history but it did apparently come as a shock to some others on the course.

Anyway, to answer your question - no. I suffer acutely from embarrassment whenever I experience it. It doesn't happen often. More often, I suffer from it vicariously. For example I cannot watch the Ricky Gervais comedy 'The Office' because the entirety of humour depends upon embarrassment.

This may be why I spend so many fruitless hours trying to educate you? I don't know.

All I can say for sure is that I hope one day you will attempt to apply your own logic to an argument rather than lifting pre-formed arguments from elsewhere off the internet and trying to get them to fit into whatever conversation you're having.

I meant the thing I posted the other night - you quite clearly flounder when you have to try and form a cogent argument of your own. You're not bad at applying argument you've already read from elsewhere on the internet but if somebody throws in an original opinion or doesn't conform to how you think the argument will develop you invariably lose any thread of logic you may have started with.

I'm not trying to insult you here (for once) I'm just telling you the truth.

I don't argue with you for the sake of "winning" (there's no such thing on the internet anyway) I've only ever tried to get you to think more for yourself.

I'll gladly continue engaging you if that's what you want but surely there's something you'd be better at than trying to engage people on an intellectual level if you're not that capable?

Perhaps, for example, you might beat me at pool (although I wager I'd give you a good game at very least) but how about you just examine the logic your arguments have taken over the past few weeks because they've been poor, even for you.

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Re: All Labour members are racist

Post by If it be your will » Tue Apr 11, 2017 2:32 am

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Re: All Labour members are racist

Post by quoonbeatz » Tue Apr 11, 2017 8:48 am

Rowls wrote:"Make like a tree and go!"
come on rowls, its "make like a tree and get out of here."

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Re: All Labour members are racist

Post by Damo » Tue Apr 11, 2017 9:05 am

If it be your will wrote:I keep reading over and over again that Jeremy Corbyn is a friend of terrorists. Whatever he said, in whatever context, is there a single person out there that genuinely holds the view that Corbyn of all people is a big fan of indiscriminate killing? So why does it keep being said, when even the concept is patently ridiculous?
I have not seen anyone say he's a "big fan of indiscriminate killing"
Are you being a bit sensationalist there?

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Re: All Labour members are racist

Post by RocketLawnChair » Tue Apr 11, 2017 10:50 am

Imploding Turtle, Rowls, Blue Labrador, and KRBFC all on the same thread. This could potentially break the internet!
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Re: All Labour members are racist

Post by ontario claret » Wed Apr 12, 2017 11:08 pm

My head is spinning.

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Re: All Labour members are racist

Post by AndrewJB » Thu Apr 13, 2017 12:20 pm

If it be your will wrote:I keep reading over and over again that Jeremy Corbyn is a friend of terrorists. Whatever he said, in whatever context, is there a single person out there that genuinely holds the view that Corbyn of all people is a big fan of indiscriminate killing? So why does it keep being said, when even the concept is patently ridiculous?
It's because if the press instead gave air time to the fact he's honest, and the policies he advocates are well supported for the most part; he'd be harder to paint as 'unelectable'.

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