May a wimp of a leader

[ablueclaret]

The whole point of a General Election is that you can put a new agenda forward I've staying in the EU, and of you get voted in then you can pursue that path. Article 50 could now be revoked.

[ThinLizzy]

No ablue. The referendum was totally different. It is in law and is stipulated in law and carried through. You can **** off all you want about it but it WILL not change, regardless of the election. You need to suck up, grow some balls, realise that the vast majority of peopple ALWAYS did disagree with you and MOVE ON!

You will not stop Brexit, EVER! Be it Politically or otherwise pal!

[Sidney1st]

No ablue. The referendum was totally different. It is in law and is stipulated in law and carried through. You can **** off all you want about it but it WILL not change, regardless of the election. You need to suck up, grow some balls, realise that the vast majority of peopple ALWAYS did disagree with you and MOVE ON!

You will not stop Brexit, EVER! Be it Politically or otherwise pal!

ewwwww

[HatfieldClaret]

Nothing wrong with Corbyn's desire to get the rich to pay their share its just how you get them to do so, much more problematic.
Until accounts lawyers and bankers go to prison for their actions nothing much going to change.

Well Qadaffi banned lawyers and Castro banned estate agents, so Corbyn could ban lawyers and bankers. Vote winner there if ever there was one.

[ablueclaret]

I think you will find any law can be reversed in Britain.
We might have voted for the return of hanging, but the next Government can reverse that Law.
Law is temporary government is permanent.

[CrosspoolClarets]

Hi nil_d, aside from the way the NHS is organised - I've put forward my thoughts on that on other threads - has there been any work done that will explain why the 55,000 nurses have left their own country and their own health care systems to come and work in the NHS?

I've heard it said that some EU citizens are not coming to UK, and some are leaving, because the Pounds they will be paid do not convert into the same number of euros as before - i.e. the devaluation of GBP has reduced their earnings relative to what they can earn in their own country. I can see the logic - why would any of us move to a new country to earn less?

Hi Paul,

A typical Polish nurse (for example) will earn about 2000 zloty per month after tax, which is about £400. They earn multiples of that over here, they can pay their living costs and send back home the equivalent of their year's salary in Poland. Sterling's fall is a minor blip in that incredibly cushy arrangement where they can move back home after a number of years and afford a fantastic lifestyle from their savings.

We're obviously not going to shut the door on these much needed migrants, nor should we. Perhaps we should have a "capital flight" tax of maybe 20% on every £ leaving the country (these employees would still be better off by far than working at home), that's something I support because it loses the money from our economy permanently, but that's another topic for another day.

Obviously some countries wouldn't see it as attractive as Poland do, but we pay far more than most EU countries, including France and some big ones. We may moan in the UK about working life in our hospitals, these folk don't see it the same way, at least, not the ones I talk to.

[CrosspoolClarets]

policies are likely to get ignored anyway as this election is pretty much a one issue election; its a brexit election. it was called on the basis of that one issue and we've already seen that people are intending to vote purely on brexit.

makes you wonder why, if they just wanted to confirm the backing for brexit, they didn't just call another referendum? brexit is apparently backed more in the polls than it was previously so what are they scared of? it goes back to her being a weak leader.

It seems to me to be the perfect chance for May to sneak through lots of manifesto promises that would otherwise not go under the radar. That's one reason why she has done it. I tend to think it will be more socially conservative stuff than Cameron, with more state control and higher taxes, so it is the right who may end up spitting feathers when they realise it afterwards.

[Damo]

Whether it's silly or not, it's absolutely clear that even before Brexit we're heading for a staffing crisis in the NHS, due to a significant drop in the number of applicants for vacant posts from the EU.
There are currently around 55,000 nurses working in the NHS from the EU, but still around 24,000 vacancies. (A recent report highlighted that virtually every hospital in the UK has a shortage of nurses and many vacancies that they are unable to fill.)
Since the EU referendum the number of applicants from the EU has dropped from over 1,300 per month to just 101. A whopping 90% drop.
Uncertainly about their future status in the UK post- Brexit is being given as one reason for this drop, but also a significant rise in racist attacks since the referendum.
The left-wing source for this information: The Daily Telegraph
It will be ok, of course, because post- Brexit, there will most likely be a lot less money for the NHS, so many of these vacant posts will be axed. A rather frightening prospect considering the current state of the NHS. The most likely solution for a Tory Govt with a sizeable majority - Privatisation.

You was doing alright until you got to
"also a significant rise in racist attacks since the referendum.
The left-wing source for this information: The Daily Telegraph"
It all went hysterical from that point onwards

[Spijed]

Teresa May is certainly a coward for not having TV debates.

If she doesn't feel comfortable doing them or doesn't come across well then she shouldn't be a politician, regardless of the situation. It's no excuse whatsoever!

[claretandy]

Teresa May is certainly a coward for not having TV debates.

If she doesn't feel comfortable doing them or doesn't come across well then she shouldn't be a politician, regardless of the situation. It's no excuse whatsoever!

Being 24 points ahead means she can afford to take the hit, i expect here to do a question time style debate with voters.

[nil_desperandum]

You was doing alright until you got to
"also a significant rise in racist attacks since the referendum.
The left-wing source for this information: The Daily Telegraph"
It all went hysterical from that point onwards

The info was from the Telegraph, and it did indeed report a significant increase in racist attacks on EU NHS staff since the referendum - backed up by statistics to show that they had more than doubled.
The following sentence was my own honest appraisal of how things could pan out during the course of the next 5 years. An NHS in chaos with chronic staff shortages, etc. etc. (it's already bad enough). This would IMO provide the opportunity for privatisation that many on the right of the Tory party have sought for years, and with a massive majority it could happen.
This also from the Telegraph a couple of months ago:
Last week it emerged that more than 7,000 nurse posts could be axed from NHS hospitals across the country despite a mounting Accident & Emergency crisis.
Every area has been ordered to draw up measures to save £22 billion and reorganise health services in order to meet rising demand from an ageing population.
But the documents suggest that the proposals could result in the loss of more than 17,000 staff by 2020 – including 7,300 nurses and midwives.

So was it really hysteria, or should we all be genuinely concerned for the future of something that the vast majority of UK citizens value and treasure?

[Paul Waine]

Teresa May is certainly a coward for not having TV debates.

If she doesn't feel comfortable doing them or doesn't come across well then she shouldn't be a politician, regardless of the situation. It's no excuse whatsoever!

Thing is, Spijed, this is a General Election for the country's Government and Prime Minister. It's not the x-factor.

We will see more than enough of all the politicians. We don't need a "gang" of "I agree with Nicks" all shouting that they can do a better job than the current PM. The solo audience "question times" worked well last time.

I'm already tired of the Lib-Dem's "groundhog day" party political broadcast. I guess there's some Lib-Dem "creative" who's very pleased with himself (it could only be a man) with his video.

[dsr]

I've had treatment in a number of northern hospitals and I honestly can't recall sharing a ward with anyone non-British.

Last time I was in hospital, the bed opposite was occupied by an Italian immigrant who was hugely anti-immigration and could easily have been a supporter of the BNP.