Paris gun attack

karatekid · Post by **karatekid** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 8:48 pm

One police officer killed tonight in Paris . Breaking news now.

cutsy123 · Post by **cutsy123** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 8:52 pm

Bomb found?

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 8:53 pm

Move along, nothing to see here.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 8:55 pm

Suspect is a dark skinned white male according to BBC.

Tw@ · Post by **Tw@** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 8:57 pm

This has handed Le Pen a few extra votes no doubt.

Funkydrummer · Post by **Funkydrummer** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 8:57 pm

They have shot the b@stard - easy way out is that unfortunately.

karatekid · Post by **karatekid** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 8:57 pm

Sidney1st wrote:Move along, nothing to see here.

Someone has been killed Sid, terrorist incident or not a police officer has been shot and killed.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:12 pm

karatekid wrote:Someone has been killed Sid, terrorist incident or not a police officer has been shot and killed.

I know and there will be something else again soon enough, they're almost weekly now aren't they?

Its a shame someone has died, but unfortunately he won't be the last, this will go on for a very long time yet.

TsarBomba · Post by **TsarBomba** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:16 pm

Sidney1st wrote:I know and there will be something else again soon enough, they're almost weekly now aren't they?

Its a shame someone has died, but unfortunately he won't be the last, this will go on for a very long time yet.

Shameful comments. Move along, nothing to see here? Really?

So a police officer dies protecting the general populace, and you don't give a ****?

At least it's Police officers being shot, and not members of your own family.

JFW.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:20 pm

TsarBomba wrote:Shameful comments. Move along, nothing to see here? Really?

So a police officer dies protecting the general populace, and you don't give a ****?

At least it's Police officers being shot, and not members of your own family.

JFW.

He's right though.

You barely raise an eye brow at this sort of news anymore.

Remember guys, our diversity is our strength.

TsarBomba · Post by **TsarBomba** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:23 pm

So we accept it as part of everyday life?

We don't bat an eyelid, or mourn those lost anymore?

Nah, sorry, couldn't disagree more.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:24 pm

I'm blase about it now, its not shocking, surprising etc.
Its a shame its happened, but its fairly predictable now that its going to keep on happening as a result of the West's foreign policy and/or immigration policies, assuming they attacker isn't a French national.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:25 pm

TsarBomba wrote:So we accept it as part of everyday life?

We don't bat an eyelid, or mourn those lost anymore?

Nah, sorry, couldn't disagree more.

Mourn away, but just like the shootings in the US, attacks in Europe are becoming more common place whether you wish to accept it or not.

TsarBomba · Post by **TsarBomba** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:33 pm

I'm sure it wouldn't be 'move along, nothing to see here', if it was your family or friends caught up in an attack.

But what the heck, it doesn't affect me, so I don't care.

An attitude that erodes our determination to keep fighting, come what may, however difficult and protracted it may be.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:40 pm

In the USA it really wouldn't be headline new though, would it?

In fact, ISIS pose very little threat on the streets of America in comparison to your every day gun deaths!

ClaretEngineer · Post by **ClaretEngineer** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:41 pm

I suspect Sidney is playing abbot of devils advocate here, I'm sure deep down he is saddened by this news. However he is correct that many of us have become desensitised, to coin a popular modern phrase, as these events seemingly happen every week.

And yes I suspect Sid would be devastated if he or his family were caught in the middle of such an act, and rightly so because he is directly involved.

Just what action are we supposed to take? You cannot fight an ideology with traditional methods of warfare.

I'm sure our Intelligence Services, and indeed others, work tirelessly to prevent these attacks but some will always dodge the net.

PaintYorkClaretnBlue · Post by **PaintYorkClaretnBlue** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:43 pm

TsarBomba wrote:I'm sure it wouldn't be 'move along, nothing to see here', if it was your family or friends caught up in an attack.

But what the heck, it doesn't affect me, so I don't care.

An attitude that erodes our determination to keep fighting, come what may, however difficult and protracted it may be.

Agreed, I've got a lot of time for you Sid but somebody dying who is there to protect others deserves a bit more respect, no matter how many times it happens.

Tw@ · Post by **Tw@** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:47 pm

Two officers have died now.
Correction: Sky News had reported the second officer had died in hospital of his wounds, thankfully the report was incorrect!

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:47 pm

The sad thing about all this is Trump will bomb the crap out of some other area in the Middle East yet will do nothing to address the thousands killed each year in the USA.

HelloHiGoodbye · Post by **HelloHiGoodbye** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:49 pm

I sometimes wonder if there's an award I don't know about for proving you care the least.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:49 pm

Spijed wrote:The sad thing about all this is Trump will bomb the crap out of some other area in the Middle East yet will do nothing to address the thousands killed each year in the USA.

Should have known this would be Trumps fault.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:53 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Should have known this would be Trumps fault.

I didn't say it was, but he uses these attacks to sweep a far bigger problem under the carpet.

Do you really think ISIS pose a bigger threat on mainland America than those who arm themselves because the American 2nd Amendment says they can?

TsarBomba · Post by **TsarBomba** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:53 pm

A dismissive and blasé attitude is exactly what ISIS, or any other terrorist organisation wishes to achieve.

If even a small percentage of us 'give up', we miss the chap buying fertiliser, or a neighbour coming and going from a garage late at night.

Little pieces of the jigsaw that seem insignificant, but pieced together mean we avert the next attack, which could affect any one of us.

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:54 pm

HelloHiGoodbye wrote:I sometimes wonder if there's an award I don't know about for proving you care the least.

Might be one for proving you care the most?

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:57 pm

Spijed wrote:I didn't say it was, but he uses these attacks to sweep a far bigger problem under the carpet.

Do you really think ISIS pose a bigger threat on mainland America than those who arm themselves because the American 2nd Amendment says they can?

Don't know, I know which one poses a bigger threat to mainland Europe though. Which incidentally is much more relevant to this thread.

HelloHiGoodbye · Post by **HelloHiGoodbye** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:57 pm

bobinho wrote:Might be one for proving you care the most?

Maybe a good idea. If people got tangible rewards for compassion, the world might be a better place.

TsarBomba · Post by **TsarBomba** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:57 pm

[quote="HelloHiGoodbye"]I sometimes wonder if there's an award I don't know about for proving you care the least

Agreed.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:57 pm

ClaretEngineer wrote:I suspect Sidney is playing abbot of devils advocate here, I'm sure deep down he is saddened by this news. However he is correct that many of us have become desensitised, to coin a popular modern phrase, as these events seemingly happen every week.

And yes I suspect Sid would be devastated if he or his family were caught in the middle of such an act, and rightly so because he is directly involved.

No I'm not playing devils advocate really, it really isn't that shocking anymore, same when there's another mass shooting in the US, something I'm sure will happen again soon enough.
Shocking as it may sound, I'm not saddened deep down either, I'm not wired the same way as most of you.

Would I be upset if one of my lot was involved?
Yes to a degree, but again it wouldn't be the same way as most of you lot would be.

It's difficult to explain, but I see the news report and keep on scrolling because it doesn't register as major news to me.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:58 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Don't know, I know which one poses a bigger threat to mainland Europe though. Which incidentally is much more relevant to this thread.

That's certainly true.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:00 pm

Sidney1st wrote:No I'm not playing devils advocate really, it really isn't that shocking anymore, same when there's another mass shooting in the US, something I'm sure will happen again soon enough.
Shocking as it may sound, I'm not saddened deep down either, I'm not wired the same way as most of you.

Would I be upset if one of my lot was involved?
Yes to a degree, but again it wouldn't be the same way as most of you lot would be.

It's difficult to explain, but I see the news report and keep on scrolling because it doesn't register as major news to me.

Are you trying to tell us you are a sociopath?

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:01 pm

TsarBomba wrote:A dismissive and blasé attitude is exactly what ISIS, or any other terrorist organisation wishes to achieve.

If even a small percentage of us 'give up', we miss the chap buying fertiliser, or a neighbour coming and going from a garage late at night.

Little pieces of the jigsaw that seem insignificant, but pieced together mean we avert the next attack, which could affect any one of us.

What they want is to instill fear, not a blase attitude, they want us all to be scared of them, then they want us to retaliate against innocent Muslims, thus proving them right.
They want us to cower and live in fear.

You could spend your life scrutinizing everyone's purchases around you when you're shopping at Home base (other stores are available), but ultimately internet shopping means you'll never see everything that's ordered for making weapons.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:01 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Are you trying to tell us you are a sociopath?

No I'm not, so don't worry about that.

There are other reasons why people don't feel things emotionally like others do.

HelloHiGoodbye · Post by **HelloHiGoodbye** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:02 pm

Sidney1st wrote:No I'm not playing devils advocate really, it really isn't that shocking anymore, same when there's another mass shooting in the US, something I'm sure will happen again soon enough.
Shocking as it may sound, I'm not saddened deep down either, I'm not wired the same way as most of you.

Would I be upset if one of my lot was involved?
Yes to a degree, but again it wouldn't be the same way as most of you lot would be.

It's difficult to explain, but I see the news report and keep on scrolling because it doesn't register as major news to me.

Genuinely don't know how to respond to that post. One of the strangest things I've ever read on here/Claretsmad. Tops Princesshales, Muchacho and Ronaldo, 4K watch - the lot.

PaintYorkClaretnBlue · Post by **PaintYorkClaretnBlue** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:02 pm

Sidney1st wrote:No I'm not playing devils advocate really, it really isn't that shocking anymore, same when there's another mass shooting in the US, something I'm sure will happen again soon enough.
Shocking as it may sound, I'm not saddened deep down either, I'm not wired the same way as most of you.

Would I be upset if one of my lot was involved?
Yes to a degree, but again it wouldn't be the same way as most of you lot would be.

It's difficult to explain, but I see the news report and keep on scrolling because it doesn't register as major news to me.

Maybe I'm reading this wrong, if it was one of yours you'd only be upset "to a degree"?

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:04 pm

HelloHiGoodbye wrote:Genuinely don't know how to respond to that post. One of the strangest things I've ever read on here/Claretsmad. Tops Princesshales, Muchacho and Ronaldo, 4K watch - the lot.

I doubt it tops muchacho, I didn't see the 4k watch or Princesshales so I couldn't compare.

morpheus2 · Post by **morpheus2** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:08 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Don't know, I know which one poses a bigger threat to mainland Europe though. Which incidentally is much more relevant to this thread.

It is the job of the apologist to bring up false equivalences, build straw men and deflect from the real issue.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:12 pm

PaintYorkClaretnBlue wrote:Maybe I'm reading this wrong, if it was one of yours you'd only be upset "to a degree"?

Yup.

I'll give you an example to help here.

I know my nan passed away some time in the last 10-15 years.
I'm not certain what date, or what year and I can't really recall where she's buried, although I could probably guess because I think its where my grandad is buried in Rhyl cemetery, but I couldn't tell you where their grave is.
I vaguely recall the wake and I'd have to hazard a guess as to where the service was.
I'm not one of those people who claim to think about a passed away relative everyday either, I personally just find that a bit odd.

Its not that I don't care about it, but I don't deem it as important information in my mind, my relatives pass away and I move on with my life because that's what I do.

HelloHiGoodbye · Post by **HelloHiGoodbye** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:12 pm

morpheus2 wrote:It is the job of the apologist to bring up false equivalences, build straw men and deflect from the real issue.

I agree but also - that'd look really good coming out the middle of a fortune cookie.

Elbarad · Post by **Elbarad** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:16 pm

Spijed wrote:The sad thing about all this is Trump will bomb the crap out of some other area in the Middle East yet will do nothing to address the thousands killed each year in the USA.

So you're suggesting Trump bomb the Bronx?

They do arrest murderers in the US you understand, surely that's doing something.

TsarBomba · Post by **TsarBomba** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:16 pm

Sidney1st wrote:What they want is to instill fear, not a blase attitude, they want us all to be scared of them, then they want us to retaliate against innocent Muslims, thus proving them right.
They want us to cower and live in fear.

You could spend your life scrutinizing everyone's purchases around you when you're shopping at Home base (other stores are available), but ultimately internet shopping means you'll never see everything that's ordered for making weapons.

You're wrong.

There's a far greater chance of being caught using the internet. Certain words, or phrases typed into a search engine are flagged at GCHQ. If you were going to research the building of a bomb, or purchase the ingredients over the internet, you'd be getting a knock at the door in the early hours of the morning.

You can argue, quite successfully, that instead of inducing fear, an attack stiffens the resolve of the majority. Evidenced by commuters going to work the next day, using the underground as normal, and going about their daily business.

The biggest danger is having an attitude that this is now part of everyday life.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:17 pm

Elbarad wrote:So you're suggesting Trump bomb the Bronx?

They do arrest murderers in the US you understand, surely that's doing something.

And approximately 32,000 die each year from gun shot wounds!

PaintYorkClaretnBlue · Post by **PaintYorkClaretnBlue** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:17 pm

Sidney1st wrote:Yup.

I'll give you an example to help here.

I know my nan passed away some time in the last 10-15 years.
I'm not certain what date, or what year and I can't really recall where she's buried, although I could probably guess because I think its where my grandad is buried in Rhyl cemetery, but I couldn't tell you where their grave is.
I vaguely recall the wake and I'd have to hazard a guess as to where the service was.
I'm not one of those people who claim to think about a passed away relative everyday either, I personally just find that a bit odd.

Its not that I don't care about it, but I don't deem it as important information in my mind, my relatives pass away and I move on with my life because that's what I do.

I agree, I lost my dad in 2014 but I don't think about him every day. If I lost my wife, one of my children, my mum, my sister or anyone of a similar ilk tomorrow then I would be upset, hugely. Would life continue? Of course it would. Would the pain lessen in time? Yes. But the way that you worded that was that it wouldn't upset you if one of yours was killed tonight.

I presume that you didn't actually mean that.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:19 pm

PaintYorkClaretnBlue wrote:I agree, I lost my dad in 2014 but I don't think about him every day. If I lost my wife, one of my children, my mum, my sister or anyone of a similar ilk tomorrow then I would be upset, hugely. Would life continue? Of course it would. Would the pain lessen in time? Yes. But the way that you worded that was that it wouldn't upset you if one of yours was killed tonight.

I presume that you didn't actually mean that.

I would be upset, but probably not as much or for as long as what you'd call a normal person.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:20 pm

Why are people so quick to blame Muslims when things like this happen.
Let's keep an open mind until we know what the gun man shouted as he opened fire

PaintYorkClaretnBlue · Post by **PaintYorkClaretnBlue** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:21 pm

Oh, and there are enough dicks on here and, as far as I can see, you're not one of them but the comment about putting an example on "to help" makes you sound like one of the patronising bell ends that do post on here.

Like I said, I've a lot of time for you, don't turn into one of them just because you post a lot.

PWBFC · Post by **PWBFC** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:21 pm

Sidney1st wrote:I would be upset, but probably not as much or for as long as what you'd call a normal person.

Possibly the most surreal conversation I've read on here.

taio · Post by **taio** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:21 pm

Sidney1st wrote:Move along, nothing to see here.

Surprised you keep returning to the thread then.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:23 pm

Taking the sad incident out of the way this is an incredibly bizarre thread.

morpheus2 · Post by **morpheus2** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:26 pm

Damo wrote:Why are people so quick to blame Muslims when things like this happen.
Let's keep an open mind until we know what the gun man shouted as he opened fire

According to the BBC the suspect is a dark skinned white man and he shouted something in English in Arabic.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:30 pm

PaintYorkClaretnBlue wrote:Oh, and there are enough dicks on here and, as far as I can see, you're not one of them but the comment about putting an example on "to help" makes you sound like one of the patronising bell ends that do post on here.

Like I said, I've a lot of time for you, don't turn into one of them just because you post a lot.

I wasn't intending to be patronising, sorry if you thought I was.

It was a clumsy attempt I suppose, to give you an idea of how I think about stuff, there was definitely no intent to patronise anyone.