Sean Dyche interview on the Priemier League Show BBC 2 at 10pm tonight

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 4:49 pm

for those who are interested - the psychology of relegation is the topic - at least that what it says

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 4:51 pm

That sounds nice and positive.

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 4:57 pm

more to cheer the boro massive no doubt

iluva64 · Post by **iluva64** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 5:49 pm

No doubt those Tautologists who frequent this site with the same old rhetoric will be on soon after

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 6:12 pm

Cheers, I've set that to record, it clashes with my PS4 time.

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 6:45 pm

It will be on iPlayer later as well

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:07 pm

on now

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:21 pm

"the keyboard warriors hide behind acidic terms....."

Wonder who he means?

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:26 pm

indeed - thought he was going to call them out at first

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:36 pm

he as much as said he'd be off given half a chance.
i was hoping he would pledge lifelong management at the Turf.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:39 pm

Thought he didn't look at the Internet.

EarbyClaret · Post by **EarbyClaret** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:54 pm

"he as much as said he'd be off given half a chance."

Didn't think it came across quite like that. He's always been pretty consistent when asked that question and is sensible to keep his options open without being disrespectful to his current employers.

Ironically, the better he does at Burnley the fewer opportunities open up for him, if you assume a top job is beyond him until he does something standout at TM. A year ago people were talking about places like Villa, Forest and Sunderland. Assuming he keeps us up and builds on that next season then maybe you'd be thinking in terms of say Stoke, West Brom, maybe Southampton.

Bearing in mind what he's got here, in terms of security and influence, I'm sure he'd be delighted to stay longer if he could genuinely establish us a mid-table PL club and see where we might go from there.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:10 am

Agree Earby, I don't see lots of options for a guy who for as well as he has done hasn't masterminded a single away win this season.

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:20 am

i disagree Vegas, the owners of other clubs are not daft, they fully understand our limitations as a small club.
They will realise just how competent Dyche has been considering the league we play in.
They will not look at him based on not getting an away win, they will just see a manager with promotion pedigree and the ability to keep us up.

That will be regarded as a true achievement. I dont go along with this Stoke southampton thing at all.

jurek · Post by **jurek** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:58 am

I thought Dyche came over as we'd now expect him to.
Honest, realistic, thoughtful and obviously takes these interviews in his stride, so to speak.
He doesn't take himself too seriously though and seems capable of a laugh
and looking at the funny side of things more than occasionally and without going down
the 'Harry Rednapp' route or level of jokiness.

Doesn't get too specific but obviously suggests he would like to test himself at the very top
as you might expect him to albeit he didn't commit himself in any way to staying and seeing
through the project (whatever that may be) at Burnley.

He probably knows that he is more than safe and established here for a while longer
if he so chooses to do and that, if someone comes in that he feels is a step up and gives him the chance
to see whether he can cut it at a bigger club, may see him leave whether it be at the end of this or next season.

Not sure who that bigger club may be?
Leicester possibly but that may be a tall order given where they''ve come in the last two seasons
and the likelihood that it would be very difficult for anyone to get then challenging for a top spot.
Much nearer to where his home is and that may be a big pull.

Whatever, he certainly has achieved much with us and even more so if he keeps us up.
And he's certainly in the best position he's even been in terms of having a reasonable budget to spend
given what we're likely to make on selling Keane and or one or two others, if it transpires.
And the knowledge that we'll also have another years of premier league money coming in
will be another factor. It might even get stir crazy and he ends up buying two or three quality players
who can quickly adapt and play the way he wants them to and who also improve the team considerably.
If he can do that and get us playing better football and better results too then who knows?

He might stay for a considerable while longer.

ThinLizzy · Post by **ThinLizzy** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 6:46 am

I've never heard football called 'Leg Tennis' or 'Massive Foot Snooker' before?!

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 8:01 am

Wile E Coyote wrote:i disagree Vegas, the owners of other clubs are not daft, they fully understand our limitations as a small club.
They will realise just how competent Dyche has been considering the league we play in.
They will not look at him based on not getting an away win, they will just see a manager with promotion pedigree and the ability to keep us up.

That will be regarded as a true achievement. I dont go along with this Stoke southampton thing at all.

I don't think it's the lack of away wins that would prevent clubs coming in for him, more the style of play.

Demonstration of successful football whilst being more appealing on the eye and less defensive might make him more appealing to potential suitors.

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 8:13 am

There are parallels between SD and Tony Pulis for me, and that extends to comparing us with Stoke from about 10-12 years ago. SD may well be here for a long time to come yet as we establish ourselves as a mid table team.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 8:17 am

Now is the time for a move if he is to progress as a manager and he knows it.

claretdom · Post by **claretdom** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 8:18 am

ablueclaret wrote:Now is the time for a move if he is to progress as a manager and he knows it.

He could use you as an example possibly. In the same place for a long time saying the same thing over and over and look how you have turned out.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 8:23 am

Must give him hope.

Hipper · Post by **Hipper** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 9:44 am

ablueclaret wrote:Now is the time for a move if he is to progress as a manager and he knows it.

I disagree.

His challenge this season was to keep us up. It did not matter how it was done, although it will have been done honourably without too much resorting to the dark arts of modern football. Keeping us up with the squad we have is a very fine achievement.

He has more to learn and the next step is to keep us up again whilst making some more progress on the field which would involve more quality players. That too is a real challenge but an exciting one.

There is clearly a limit to how far our club can progress and when he reaches that it would be time to move on.

But, let us not under estimate what an achievement it will be if he keeps us up. We are the smallest club in the division in terms of finance and for me this would be superior to Konte or Pochettino winning the league.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 9:52 am

ablueclaret wrote:Now is the time for a move if he is to progress as a manager and he knows it.

You want him to move on you mean.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 9:55 am

Hipper wrote:I disagree.

His challenge this season was to keep us up. It did not matter how it was done, although it will have been done honourably without too much resorting to the dark arts of modern football. Keeping us up with the squad we have is a very fine achievement.

He has more to learn and the next step is to keep us up again whilst making some more progress on the field which would involve more quality players. That too is a real challenge but an exciting one.

There is clearly a limit to how far our club can progress and when he reaches that it would be time to move on.

But, let us not under estimate what an achievement it will be if he keeps us up. We are the smallest club in the division in terms of finance and for me this would be superior to Konte or Pochettino winning the league.

Think this is about right. The challenge for Dyche this season was to keep us up, which looks like happening and quite probably with something to spare (although lets not count our chickens too early!).

Dyche will leave, I expect, when a job comes up with a club more able to meet his ambitions, and that club wants him. As someone points out, that is currently a very narrow band of clubs. Sunderland were once a threat, but they'll be in the Championship next season, as will Villa be. It is hard to imagine Dyche stepping down to that level and gambling on getting promoted quickly. We know he's not a gambler. And it is hard to see which Premier League job that might come up this summer would be the right fit. The alternative would be to leave Burnley and wait for the right job to come up, but that's always a risky strategy.

If Dyche can keep Burnley up for another season, and do so whilst adding a bit more sophistication to his approach, and so address the negative stereotype that might go against him (e.g. its hard to see West Ham moving for him right now because of this style of play we've adopted this season), then that would leave him much better placed for a move next summer, and I think that's more likely.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 10:12 am

It was good to see the local area being given a positive glance instead of the usual, opening titles of coronation Street!

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 10:52 am

I'm not sure he wouldn't consider dropping into the Championship again at a bigger club.
The problem he has here is retention of players, he knows that his system depends on stability and the gradual integration of players, we as a club may be entering into a more fluid period.
I did call for him to go about 2 months ago because I felt he was slipping back into the formulaic way of his, indeed he has, but he has obviously done enough here to stay on as long as he is successful.
If I was him I would look for a move whilst I was successful, that means now.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 10:53 am

So you want our successful manager to leave?

You're a rare one, no doubt about it.

bob-the-scutter · Post by **bob-the-scutter** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 10:54 am

ablueclaret wrote:I'm not sure he wouldn't consider dropping into the Championship again at a bigger club.
The problem he has here is retention of players, he knows that his system depends on stability and the gradual integration of players, we as a club may be entering into a more fluid period.
I did call for him to go about 2 months ago because I felt he was slipping back into the formulaic way of his, indeed he has, but he has obviously done enough here to stay on as long as he is successful.
If I was him I would look for a move whilst I was successful, that means now.

We`re all thankful your not him then!

LoveCurryPies · Post by **LoveCurryPies** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 10:55 am

ElectroClaret wrote:"the keyboard warriors hide behind acidic terms....."

Wonder who he means?

I was waiting for him to name Ablueclaret

iluva64 · Post by **iluva64** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 11:27 am

Didn't take long for the Tautologists to come out of their closets........didn't need to name them did I

jlup1980 · Post by **jlup1980** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:02 pm

Depending on where we finish this season it's highly unlikely he'll have the opportunity to move on this summer to a club in a better position than us.

I think it's obvious that we can discount the top 7 clubs as possible destinations so that leaves you with:

West Brom - Pulis isn't going anywhere.
Southampton - I don't see Dyche as the right fit for them.
Watford - unfinished business? maybe. they swap manages every 12 months though so it would be a shortsighted move in my opinion.
Stoke - Hughes is under a little bit of pressure and Dyche could be a good fit for them. Would he get the time to embed his philosophy before their fans turn on him though. I think the fans would be looking for a more progressive manager.
Leicester - close to home and that'll be a pull but the expectation at that club now will be as high as ever. It would certainly offer him a great challenge though.
West Ham - see comments on Stoke but replace Hughes with Bilic! West Ham are a much bigger club so this would appeal more than any other job in my opinion.
Crystal Palace - Big Sam isn't going anywhere.
Bournemouth - Eddie isn't going anywhere.
Hull - if they stay up and Silva doesn't want the job then this is a possibility. However it's hardly a step up!! I don't see Dyche leaving for another yo-yo club.
Swansea - if they stay up and remove Clement then this could be a job of interest. Their squad is much better then the bottom three so there's scope for immediate improvement and that'll appeal I imagine. If they get relegated I don't think he'd even consider it!
Boro - not a chance he'd go there!
Sunderland - not a chance he'd go there either!

So all in all I'd say West Ham, Stoke or Leicester could potentially entice him away but a lot needs to happen in order for that to become a reality.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:08 pm

I feel like I was expected to post on here from my fans, so here I am, albeit, late to the party. Hopefully my fans forgive me for my late arrival.

dibraidio · Post by **dibraidio** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:43 pm

jlup1980 wrote: So all in all I'd say West Ham, Stoke or Leicester could potentially entice him away but a lot needs to happen in order for that to become a reality.

Stoke got rid of Pulis because they wanted more attractive football. West Ham did the same with big fat Sam for the same reason. I think you can count both of those out.

Leicester have won 6 and drawn 1 in the league under Shakespeare, why on earth would they get rid of him?

There is no shame in selling your best players, Everton do it, Liverpool had to sell Sterling and Suarez, Tottenham couldn't keep hold of Bale and Man Utd couldn't keep Ronaldo. That's something he'll have to put up with wherever he goes.

For me he needs to win some silverware to show that he's ready for the next level and that's something that he could do with us with the right backing.

Royboyclaret · Post by **Royboyclaret** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:52 pm

Spot on post by Hipper #22.

Some different questions posed by Steve Bower in the interview and I'm surprised his reference to Steven Defour hasn't been mentioned on this thread. He asked why Dyche continued to select Boyd and Arfield ahead of Defour and the answer, unsurprisingly, was that he valued the team unit higher than individual skill.

I guess we've all come to understand that reasoning over the last few months, but next season, in order to progress to the next level, I sincerely hope that Dyche reappraises his thinking.

ThinLizzy · Post by **ThinLizzy** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:57 pm

Royboyclaret wrote: I guess we've all come to understand that reasoning over the last few months, but next season, in order to progress to the next level, I sincerely hope that Dyche reappraises his thinking.

I understand the reasoning. Although, I think most of us are hoping, guaranteeing survival of course. That we would very much look at expanding the opportunities on the field next season.

jlup1980 · Post by **jlup1980** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 1:02 pm

dibraidio wrote:Stoke got rid of Pulis because they wanted more attractive football. West Ham did the same with big fat Sam for the same reason. I think you can count both of those out.

Leicester have won 6 and drawn 1 in the league under Shakespeare, why on earth would they get rid of him?

There is no shame in selling your best players, Everton do it, Liverpool had to sell Sterling and Suarez, Tottenham couldn't keep hold of Bale and Man Utd couldn't keep Ronaldo. That's something he'll have to put up with wherever he goes.

For me he needs to win some silverware to show that he's ready for the next level and that's something that he could do with us with the right backing.

I think he needs to show the tactical knowledge to win points away from home more than anything else. His PL away record is nothing short of appalling. 3 wins in 36 games is it? Not sure many established PL clubs would go for a Manager with that record!

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 2:02 pm

Royboyclaret wrote:Spot on post by Hipper #22.

Some different questions posed by Steve Bower in the interview and I'm surprised his reference to Steven Defour hasn't been mentioned on this thread. He asked why Dyche continued to select Boyd and Arfield ahead of Defour and the answer, unsurprisingly, was that he valued the team unit higher than individual skill.

I guess we've all come to understand that reasoning over the last few months, but next season, in order to progress to the next level, I sincerely hope that Dyche reappraises his thinking.

I'm not sure that is a completely fair representation of the answer Dyche gave, or actually the question. Dyche didn't answer it in terms of a choice between Defour and Arfield or Boyd and I don't think that has was asked to either. He simply said that fans are entitled to their opinion but the players he picks on any given week, including Defour, have to fit into the team and game plan. He didn't mention individual skill at all.

The implication that Dyche undervalues skill and that he needs to change this to move us to the next level is based on fundamentally suspect logic. As I've said elsewhere, if it were so obvious that Dyche was missing a trick with Defour, he'd be attracting interest from one of those clubs who are at the next level already, and so far as any of us are aware, that isn't happening.

I'm quite sure Dyche knows that he has to add more craft and subtlety to the team next season (to make us more effective, not out of any high minded ideal) and I expect that to be part of the summer plan. It just happens that for a host of reasons, including the injuries Dyche did refer to in his interview with Steve Bower, Steven Defour hasn't been in a position to provide it - yet.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 2:06 pm

You have become extremely conservative in your thinking this season Spice, can't imagine another season when winning no matches away from home would have left you so sanguine and devoid of ideas.
I for one miss your imaginative ideas, conformity doesn't suit you.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 2:13 pm

I'm all for imaginative ideas if they promise an improvement on the status quo. But seeing as the pre-season target was to finish 17th, and we're well on course to out perform that, I think I'm perfectly entitled to be sanguine. Our overall performance this season is in excess of my expectations, and those of virtually every other observer, whether a Burnley fan or not. We've got a particular group of players and we play to their strength, and we should keep on doing so because any experiment is a risk, and when you're achieving something close to your potential already, you've very little scope for that experiment to yield and improvement and far more chance of it prompting a disaster.

dibraidio · Post by **dibraidio** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 2:17 pm

Looking at the table there's a massive 17 point gap between 7th and 9th. If we had the away form of Boro (10 points), Watford (12 points) or Palace (18 points!) we'd be in that 40 to 57 points zone. You're right jlup1980, if Dyche can find a way to get some success on the road then we could well be at the top of that group just behind the super power market leaders. But I still thing he'll need to win something for SD to be considered a better manager than Pulis who's ugly football has got West Brom up there on 44 points in 8th.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 2:28 pm

Anyone finding fault with anything that SD said has an agenda I think.

Standard SD interview

Royboyclaret · Post by **Royboyclaret** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 9:32 pm

"I'm not sure that is a completely fair representation of the answer Dyche gave, or actually the question. Dyche didn't answer it in terms of a choice between Defour and Arfield or Boyd and I don't think that has was asked to either. He simply said that fans are entitled to their opinion but the players he picks on any given week, including Defour, have to fit into the team and game plan."

I'm sorry, but that's exactly what Dyche was asked.......Watch it back, spice.

To which he replied," the team is the strength, not just one player, that's nothing against Steven, he's a fine player but he has to fit into the team on any given day.

Which is kinda what I inferred.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 9:55 pm

I don't want to get precious about this, but i'd say its a lot closer to what I inferred. There's absolutely nothing about individual still being valued less than any other asset. Its just that a player needs to fit into the team.

Youve got a clear downer on Dyche over his use of Defour and i'd venture your interpretation of the interview earlier is fitted to that narrative - unfairly in my view.

Royboyclaret · Post by **Royboyclaret** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 9:59 pm

Like I said, watch it back.

Read my original post and you'll see I fully understand the way Dyche has approached games this season.

Next season, may well have to be different.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 10:18 pm

[quote="Royboyclaret"]"I'm not sure that is a completely fair representation of the answer Dyche gave, or actually the question. Dyche didn't answer it in terms of a choice between Defour and Arfield or Boyd and I don't think that has was asked to either. He simply said that fans are entitled to their opinion but the players he picks on any given week, including Defour, have to fit into the team and game plan."

To which he replied," the team is the strength, not just one player, that's nothing against Steven, he's a fine player but he has to fit into the team on any given day. "and he's had his injuries"
I thought it was a really good interview, and SD is very adept at them. You actually leave having learned absolutely nothing that you didn't already know.

claretblue · Post by **claretblue** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 10:45 pm

click on link for the programme

Sean = 14minutes in!

Enjoy!

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