Dean Marney

[cricketfieldclarets]

Anyone know the stats with and without Marney at this level?

Cant help but think losing him is the key factor in our form regardless of the numbers we have.

[FulledgeClaret]

We do seem to see a down turn in form when he is out for a period of time.

[Quicknick]

Let's just hope it isn't as serious a downturn as last time.

[UpTheBeehole]

At Premier League for us:

16/17

21 Apps
8 Wins
2 Draws
11 Losses

14/15

20 apps
4 wins
8 draws
8 losses

Without him:

16/17

13 Games
2 Wins
4 Draws
7 Losses

14/15

18 Games
3 wins
4 draws
11 losses

[UpTheBeehole]

So that translates as

16/17 with

Win 38.10%
Draw 9.52%
Lose 52.38%

without

Win 15.40%
Draw 30.75%
Lose 53.85%

14/15 with

Win 20%
Draw 40%
Lose 40%

without

Win 16.67%
Draw 22.22%
Lose 61.11%

[yorkyclaret]

At Premier League for us:

16/17

21 Apps
8 Wins
2 Draws
11 Losses

14/15

20 apps
4 wins
8 draws
8 losses

Without him:

16/17

13 Games
2 Wins


4 Draws
7 Losses

14/15

18 Games
3 wins
4 draws
11 losses

46 points from 41 games with him 23 from 31 without. About 50% more points per game when he plays. wow.

[UpTheBeehole]

At Premier League for us:

16/17

21 Apps
26 points

14/15

20 apps
20 points

Without him:

16/17

13 Games
10 points

14/15

18 Games
13 points

[NRC]

Needs converting to a points per game stat to be a meaningful comparison

[UpTheBeehole]

16/17

With 1.24 PPG
Without 1 PPG

14/15

With 0.77 PPG
Without 0.72 PPG

[NRC]

Thanks upthebeehole. If you had asked anyone beforehand I'm sure they would have suggested the impact was larger in 14/15 but it's clearly not the case, and somewhat bizarre given our squad improvement

[lucs86]

16/17 with Marney 1.24 points per appearance
16/17 without Marney 0.77

14/15 with Marney 1 point per appearance
14/15 without Marney 0.72

I don't doubt we miss him but I also wonder if it isn't a bit of second-half-of-season syndrome too, teams just figuring out how best to deal with our system, which is about as consistent as they come.

[SGr]

He's definitely a big loss. Think he's the only player Dyche trusts Defour to play alongside in a 4-4-2 (presumably because of his work off the ball and tough tackling)

[UpTheBeehole]

I don't doubt we miss him but I also wonder if it isn't a bit of second-half-of-season syndrome too, teams just figuring out how best to deal with our system, which is about as consistent as they come.

There is that yes, but in the 14/15 season he had a spell out in the first half of the season too - we lost 3 and drew 1, all against midtable teams. 2 home, 2 away.

[Spijed]

When you look at the wins we've had since, we've had a far harder set of home games, with less winnable ones in comparison to those in the 21 matches he played.

We've beaten Leicester & Stoke, but lost and drawn to Chelsea, Spurs & Man. U. Liverpool aside (who seem to lose to every lower half side), our opponents have been more difficult.

Ironically, we are a far better team away from home without him.

Not saying we miss him, we do. But it's not a true comparison as we've still won the matches we needed to without him.

[quoonbeatz]

i wouldn't read much into it, he wasn't playing well when he did his knee again as he'd been carrying a muscle injury and was pretty ineffective for some weeks.

we also played more games at home when he was available - 12, gaining 25points - whereas we've only played 4 at home without him, gaining 7 points.

we got 1 point from 10 away when he was available, yet 3 from 7 when he wasn't.

either way, our form isn't down to one player.

[Walton]

It is more fun when he plays though, because of the dean marney/DEAN MARNEY shouts

[KateR]

i wouldn't read much into it, he wasn't playing well when he did his knee again as he'd been carrying a muscle injury and was pretty ineffective for some weeks.

we also played more games at home when he was available - 12, gaining 25points - whereas we've only played 4 at home without him, gaining 7 points.

we got 1 point from 10 away when he was available, yet 3 from 7 when he wasn't.

either way, our form isn't down to one player.

NO NO you surely must be wrong! our form is down to whether Defour plays or not, there are thousands of post to substantiate this surely??

[cricketfieldclarets]

The stats dont lie though. We are a better team with him playing. And thats even more than I thought he was.

We need a replacement for Marney in summer before anyone else.

[quoonbeatz]

The stats dont lie though.

they do without context. there are far too many variables in each game to make a truly valid comparison.

[Tall Paul]

they do without context. there are far too many variables in each game to make a truly valid comparison.

This. There also isn't a big enough sample size to draw any meaningful conclusions.

A similar discussion is on the Defour thread.

[KRBFC]

This. There also isn't a big enough sample size to draw any meaninful conclusions.

A similar discussion is on the Defour thread.

*meaningful

Sorry, I had to correct you.

[cricketfieldclarets]

So we win more games when Defour plays.
Win more games when Marney plays.

Both havent featured much in the last 12 games if at all. And we habe won one game.

Thats context enough to support the stats for me.