Joey Barton

NRC · Post by **NRC** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:43 pm

love his transparency on his own website..... he raises great points, and good luck to him in his efforts to reduce the length of ban. However, and in the meantime thanks for everything you have done at Burnley Football Club, Joseph. You got us back to the PL with your outstanding contribution last year, and have helped keep us there (hopefully) this season.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:44 pm

"Right; let's support him through this and make sure we keep him at the club in some way. Time to see if he'd be interested in coaching.."

The ban includes ALL football-related activity - I'm assuming he's banned from all clubs' grounds and training grounds. Does TV studio punditry count as f-r activities, I wonder ?

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:44 pm

All football related activity, so we won't be seeing Joey doing anything on TV or anywhere else for that matter, soon.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:46 pm

NRC wrote:love his transparency on his own website..... he raises great points, and good luck to him in his efforts to reduce the length of ban. However, and in the meantime thanks for everything you have done at Burnley Football Club, Joseph. You got us back to the PL with your outstanding contribution last year, and have helped keep us there (hopefully) this season.

It is pretty ironic that half the Prem's teams are sponsored by............................betting companies.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:46 pm

Meanwhile Le Tissier sits on SSN every week despite admitting he kicked the ball out as part of a bet.

Barton will get a job around football if he wants it after his ban.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:47 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:All football related activity, so we won't be seeing Joey doing anything on TV or anywhere else for that matter, soon.

Well, according to KRBFC and Ablueclaret we don't play football so he should be fine commentating on our games!

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:49 pm

claretdj wrote:With only 4 games to go why couldn't the fa of waited untill the end of the season to charge joey? Seems to me that the fa is again penalizing Burnley Fc for something that happened before he was employed by our club, just like they did with the Andre Gray charge & ban. As the song goes No 1 likes us! Utc!

They charged him before he'd re-signed for us.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:49 pm

Great shame and horrendous punishment from those 'officials' who deem to run the game. UK out....Europe/China/USA probably still ok.

Thank you for everything and good luck.

We owe you a debt.

HelloHiGoodbye · Post by **HelloHiGoodbye** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:50 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote:It is pretty ironic that half the Prem's teams are sponsored by............................betting companies.

Yep. There definitely needed to be a punishment but it's harsh and hypocritical when football and betting companies now go hand in hand. It's made me uneasy for a while - I'm not a massive gambler whatsoever but I certainly don't begrudge people doing it within reason. I do though find myself asking, can you truly be a "family club" if you're sponsored by a betting company?

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:50 pm

His ban is sponsored by Bet365, when the fun stops, stop.

jlup1980 · Post by **jlup1980** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:51 pm

Seems like a harsh ban but I think we all knew his ban would certainly end his Burnley career. Thanks for the memories Joey, especially your two man of the match performances against Rovers!!!

It's a shame for us but it opens the door for someone else to step up and carry us through the last 4 games. I still think 4231 is the way forward, we just need a small adjustment.

Heaton
Lowton Keane Mee Ward
Westwood Defour
JBG Hendrick Brady
Gray

Walton · Post by **Walton** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:52 pm

Barton's been great for us, but it did feel like he was coming to the end of his Indian Summer.

We'll always remember how he single-handedly dragged us through games to win us the Championship though.

Cheers Joey.

texasbrit · Post by **texasbrit** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:52 pm

The same organisation that bans a player for a gambling addiction endorses Gambling sponsorship across its product.
Thats how screwed the governance of football has become!!

ebby · Post by **ebby** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:53 pm

Newspaper websites not giving a balanced view.
Out of all the websites that I have just read in the last 15 minutes, the BBC football site one is the only one who mentions the FA & Gambling:

"Barton also called on the FA to do more to tackle the culture of gambling in football.
He said: "If the FA is truly serious about tackling the culture of gambling in football, it needs to look at its own dependence on the gambling companies, their role in football and in sports broadcasting, rather than just blaming the players who place a bet."
Betting company Ladbrokes is currently one of the FA's main commercial partners."

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:55 pm

No wonder his form dipped if he has been playing in the knowledge it could be his last and that he would be leaving the game like a criminal.

The FA have set a precedent, let's see how that pans out in the future!

All the best Joey and thanks for everything you have done whilst at Burnley Football Club. I sincerely hope he is there for the West Ham game and walks the pitch so we can give him a rousing farewell.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:58 pm

Presumably he had a suspicion on Saturday that it might be his last game. Maybe that's why he didn't trip Martial? (And maybe that's why he should have?

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KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:59 pm

Betting against his own side and his own team mates hahahahahaa disgraceful, rightfully banned after looking at the bets.

iluva64 · Post by **iluva64** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:59 pm

This news possibly explains why he was missing from the awards diner last night.

I still would have wanted to shake his hand personally and thank him for all his efforts for Burnley FC this season and last.

All the best Joseph, hope you manage to sort things out.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:59 pm

He can't be there v WHU unless he decides to pi$$ them off one last time.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:00 pm

KRBFC wrote:Betting against his own side and his own team mates hahahahahaa disgraceful, rightfully banned after looking at the bets.

That amuses you ? Weird.

Silkyskills1 · Post by **Silkyskills1** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:01 pm

A controversial career but an ignominious way for it to end. Timing of it stinks and reinforces my long held view of our 'standing' amongst football's elite. Hopefully it will result in a reaction from the rest of the club that pushes us on to safety.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:03 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote:That amuses you ? Weird.

It's an absolute disgrace, betting against your own team and team mates, there's simply no excuse.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:04 pm

Damn right, silky, yes he's a clown but he's our clown and I hope there are plenty of plenty of people willing to show their thanks during the WBA and WHU games just to put two fingers up to the rest of the football world. A bit of siege mentality, however misdirected, will do us no harm.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:05 pm

Dont know if this has been mentioned as not read the thread or reply. But ehat sits uncomfortably with me is the hypocricy here when every other advert is gambling. Our club are sponsored by bookies. Many others are

Understand that players shouldnt gamble. But the relationship with football and ganbling needs to be addressed. But it wont as its a big money spinner.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:06 pm

I'm not sure if people saying he's been banned now because he plays for Burnley are serious, on drugs or just joking....

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:06 pm

texasbrit wrote:The same organisation that bans a player for a gambling addiction endorses Gambling sponsorship across its product.
Thats how screwed the governance of football has become!!

They didn't ban him for gambling addiction, they banned him for betting on games that he wasn't allowed to bet on.

The FA rules on gambling are in place to maintain the integrity of the game, not to discourage gambling, so there's no hypocrisy whatsoever in their product being sponsored by gambling companies.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:06 pm

He wasn't playing. He wasn't in a position to alter the course of a game but was of the opinion his club would be beaten.
Realistic ? Disloyal ? Maybe.

midlander63 · Post by **midlander63** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:07 pm

Barton's own statement is refreshingly honest and the point he makes about the FA allowing sponsorship and advertising by gambling companies is spot on.
The irony and hypocrisy is dazzling! You can't watch a TV game now without being bombarded with adverts featuring Ray Winstone growling 'game in play now'.
For me gambling has the potential to destroy peoples lives every bit as much as smoking or excessive drinking - starting from the top, football should kick out gambling advertising and if that means Burnley need a new sponsor then so be it.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:07 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote:Damn right, silky, yes he's a clown but he's our clown and I hope there are plenty of plenty of people willing to show their thanks during the WBA and WHU games just to put two fingers up to the rest of the football world. A bit of siege mentality, however misdirected, will do us no harm.

Put two fingers up to the rest of the football world? Oh it's there fault he's banned.........There was me thinking it was Barton's fault.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:08 pm

Thanks for the memories joey. The pleasure has been ours.

Proved everyone wrong and was a critical part of our promotion and has played a part this season.

Gutted its ended this way.

Has portrayed himself and our club in a fantastic light and changed many opinions of him here in Burnley. Some players clubs and fans are a great match. This is one. Wish we had him throughout his career. I bet secretly he does too. Hes a great reflection of the club and our manager.

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:09 pm

claretdj wrote:With only 4 games to go why couldn't the fa of waited untill the end of the season to charge joey? Seems to me that the fa is again penalizing Burnley Fc for something that happened before he was employed by our club, just like they did with the Andre Gray charge & ban. As the song goes No 1 likes us! Utc!

Hi dj, no, this hasn't got anything to do with Joey signing for Burnley. The charges were known before he signed. If FA had "got it in for Burnley" surely they'd have held the hearing a lot earlier, perhaps sometime in Feb.

I've not counted the points we've gained since Joey joined us in Jan. We can put a number of those points directly to having Joey in the team.

If anything, the FA have delayed things until they are pretty confident Burnley will be playing Premier League again next season.

Thanks and good luck, Joey.

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Edit: I count 13 points gained since Joey re-signed at beginning of Jan.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:10 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote:He wasn't playing. He wasn't in a position to alter the course of a game but was of the opinion his club would be beaten.
Realistic ? Disloyal ? Maybe.

He was absolutely in a position to alter the course of a game he wasn't playing in. WTF do you think the managers do? they don't play themselves...... to say you have to play in the game to alter the course is naivety and stupidity of the highest order.

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:11 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Thanks for the memories joey. The pleasure has been ours.

Proved everyone wrong and was a critical part of our promotion and has played a part this season.

Gutted its ended this way.

Has portrayed himself and our club in a fantastic light and changed many opinions of him here in Burnley. Some players clubs and fans are a great match. This is one. Wish we had him throughout his career. I bet secretly he does too. Hes a great reflection of the club and our manager.

We'd have needed Sean Dyche as manager if we had Joey Barton playing for us throughout his career. A wonderful thought for all (well, most) of us.

UTC

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:11 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote:He can't be there v WHU unless he decides to pi$$ them off one last time.

Exactly, he should be there bedecked in Nike gear - 'Just Do It'

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:12 pm

A harsh ban but a fair amount of stupidity on his side. Betting on yourself to score, betting on your own club, betting on your own club to lose, those things are obviously against the rules and it's easy to see why.

Looking at the stakes though, it obviously wasn't insider training with a view to earning serious cash which should have been more of a mitigating factor. You'd still expect a significant ban though. Added to that that he's been warned about his future conduct previously and it's not that surprising.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:13 pm

Of course, it's Barton's fault, KBRFC, no argument there but he has a point re betting company sponsorship and you do have to question the length of the ban.
I don't accept your hahaha re his betting against his club. If Palace were 5-1 to beat us on Saturday, I'd put £20 on. That's not disloyalty or being a lousy fan, it's just a pretty nifty way of, probably, making £100.

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:16 pm

KRBFC wrote:He was absolutely in a position to alter the course of a game he wasn't playing in. WTF do you think the managers do? they don't play themselves...... to say you have to play in the game to alter the course is naivety and stupidity of the highest order.

Hi KRBFC, what Joey says is that he bet against his team when he'd been left out. A little bit of anger and petulance at not being picked. Of course, if he isn't playing he can't effect the result - unless he conspires with his team mates to "throw" it.

Yes, naïve and stupid of professional footballers to bet on football games, especially when it is against the rules.

And, yes, a manager can effect as result without himself (herself, also) being in the team. Easy, pick a weakened team, play someone out of position, sub the guy who is playing the best.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:17 pm

iluva64 wrote:This news possibly explains why he was missing from the awards diner last night.

I still would have wanted to shake his hand personally and thank him for all his efforts for Burnley FC this season and last.

All the best Joseph, hope you manage to sort things out.

I think that's the case. We were told he had family commitments but it was very much the right thing to do to prevent any speculation.

Couldn't agree more with you though - he's been a credit to our club and I too would have thanked him and wished him the very best.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:17 pm

KRBFC wrote:He was absolutely in a position to alter the course of a game he wasn't playing in. WTF do you think the managers do? they don't play themselves...... to say you have to play in the game to alter the course is naivety and stupidity of the highest order.

How the hell could he affect a result sat on his arse at home ? If you're suggesting he may have been involved in bribery, or could have been, I'll let you pursue that argument on your own.

******** - what were they playing ? Blow football ? Subbuteo ?

leedsdave · Post by **leedsdave** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:20 pm

BurnleyPaul wrote:Right; let's support him through this and make sure we keep him at the club in some way. Time to see if he'd be interested in coaching....

Unfortunately Burnley Paul, here's the first sentence of the FA's statement about Joey.

"Joey Barton has been suspended from football and all football activity for 18-months with immediate effect after he admitted an FA misconduct charge in relation to betting."

I guess that means he won't be able to have any sort of coaching role for us in that 18 month period.

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:23 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote:Of course, it's Barton's fault, KBRFC, no argument there but he has a point re betting company sponsorship and you do have to question the length of the ban.
I don't accept your hahaha re his betting against his club. If Palace were 5-1 to beat us on Saturday, I'd put £20 on. That's not disloyalty or being a lousy fan, it's just a pretty nifty way of, probably, making £100.

Agree. Football makes a lot of money out of betting sponsorship - but, this wouldn't happen if the players themselves are involved with the betting, so players are banned.

The immediate parallel situation that comes to mind: a lot of money is made out of trading stocks and shares, but bank employees are banned (it's against the law) from insider trading on any shares that they know are involved in an event that may move the market in those shares.

City insider traders can go to prison and be banned from working in the city for the rest of their life.

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:26 pm

leedsdave wrote:Unfortunately Burnley Paul, here's the first sentence of the FA's statement about Joey.

"Joey Barton has been suspended from football and all football activity for 18-months with immediate effect after he admitted an FA misconduct charge in relation to betting."

I guess that means he won't be able to have any sort of coaching role for us in that 18 month period.

I wonder if the ban extends to football punditry?

I don't think Joey will lose anything if he takes a break for 18 months - less any reduction following his appeal - and starts on his coaching badges immediately the ban is finished.

texasbrit · Post by **texasbrit** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:26 pm

So ' tall boy' you would support the banning of a footballer if he had a drug addiction and tested positive for drugs in his system ???

You have missed the point entirely

pureclaret · Post by **pureclaret** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:26 pm

Very disappointed with this, seams excessive in comparison to others.
Also disappointed over comments about Lincoln game, to me he was the victim form start to finish The number 9 elbowed Joey and should have gone in first 5 mins, the player who took out Johaan should have gone too, but thats all water under the bridge.
Has anyone read his book ? suggest you do to maybe understand a bit more about Joey, some of the things that he has done are stupid, idiotic, unforgivable. But I have done some of them, been involved in some, lucky ive never been to prison but I know of a few who have for similar actions.
The old adage he with out sin cast first bet (stone)
Whilst at Burnley you got paid to do a job, and boy you did a craking job no red cards whist playing for us first time in his history, agree a few close calls but was not cardered.
THANK YOU JOEY FOR WHAT YOU HAVE DONE FOR BURNLEY. HOPE YOU CAN REMAIN INVOLVED WITH THE CLUB IN SOME CAPACITY IN THE FUTURE

JohnMcGreal · Post by **JohnMcGreal** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:29 pm

I think we're all grateful for what he's done for this club. He was the leader of our Championship winning team, and I'm not sure we'd have won it without him driving us on in the big games.

I think his contribution this season has been fairly minimal, and I don't think we should be relying on a 34 year old of limited ability if we're serious about progressing in this league.

Thanks for everything, Joey.

Manceau · Post by **Manceau** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:30 pm

Harsh ban, in terms of length, and very disappointing if that's how his career ends.

I thought he was a bit of a dick before he came here but he was like a warrior for us last season, immense at times,totally bought into what we were about. Loads of highlights for me, Preston goal, Southampton goal, his home performance against Boro, the way he got to grips with Brighton at theirs, but his 2 man of the match performances against the Bastards, and his giving them back what they'd given to him at the end of each game, was magnificent.

I'll always remember how I felt watching him reduce their fans to impotent fury, regardless of what else he does with his life.

ebby · Post by **ebby** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:34 pm

Since my posting 10 minutes ago re the BBC football website, the below text has removed from their article:

"Betting company Ladbrokes is currently one of the FA's main commercial partners."

Someone must have got at them.........

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:37 pm

Manceau wrote:Harsh ban, in terms of length, and very disappointing if that's how his career ends.

I thought he was a bit of a dick before he came here but he was like a warrior for us last season, immense at times,totally bought into what we were about. Loads of highlights for me, Preston goal, Southampton goal, his home performance against Boro, the way he got to grips with Brighton at theirs, but his 2 man of the match performances against the Bastards, and his giving them back what they'd given to him at the end of each game, was magnificent.

I'll always remember how I felt watching him reduce their fans to impotent fury, regardless of what else he does with his life.

Hi Manceau, well put.

Maybe a lesson in life for all of us, best to get to know someone well before we judge them.

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KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:43 pm

I'm surprised so many people on here are condoning his actions and making excuses for him. Infact I'm not at all, typical of this forum.
IMO any player who bets against their own team and team mates deserves the book throwing at them regardless of the team they play for. I will not be making excuses and feeling sorry for Barton because he played for us. He deserves everything he gets, disgraceful.

Cooperclaret · Post by **Cooperclaret** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:47 pm

KBRFC - this thread is about Joey Barton a fantastic footballer. For once, it's not about you.

You are spoiling this forum and many agree.