Joey Barton

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:50 pm

He's really not spoiling the forum, Cooperclaret, when everyone has the option to block his posts.

I personally enjoy his contributions.

KefkaClaret · Post by **KefkaClaret** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:50 pm

Barton last year was probably the best midfielder I've ever seen for Burnley.

The Enclosure · Post by **The Enclosure** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:51 pm

KRBFC...the tone of your posts suggest you are rejoicing in the fact that one of our own players has had his career prematurely ended......you really are a very sad piece of work.
In fact many of your posts on this forum are just pathetic attention seeking drivel.

Cooperclaret · Post by **Cooperclaret** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:52 pm

Then you are just as sad as he / she is then

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:55 pm

The Southampton free kick will keep us up.

SalisburyClaret · Post by **SalisburyClaret** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 3:07 pm

So an organisation that benefits from gambling bans someone who contributes to that revenue and then bans him from further activities over which they have no jurisdiction

Any first year law student would have a field day with this - am sure we'll see Joey back before long

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aggi · Post by **aggi** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 3:20 pm

SalisburyClaret wrote:So an organisation that benefits from gambling bans someone who contributes to that revenue and then bans him from further activities over which they have no jurisdiction

Any first year law student would have a field day with this - am sure we'll see Joey back before long

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The rules are pretty straightforward and he broke them and was suspended from carrying out activities governed by that body (which is within the scope of the rules), he also admitted the charges. Any first year law student would be backing away quickly from this one.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 3:27 pm

SalisburyClaret wrote:am sure we'll see Joey back before long

Hope you're right, but i seriously doubt it.

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 3:34 pm

A sad end to a fantastic Burnley career but can only have himself to blame. For one the stupidity of setting it up in his own name!

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 3:36 pm

The game has had gambling issue from match fixing and from young players getting sucked into the darker side of gambling and into match fixing through the gambling circles they mix in.

The FA have addressed this and have avoided having complicated rules on what you can and cant bet on that could potentially lead to grey areas and make it a lot easier for the players and criminals involved in match fixing to find ways around being able to be proven gulity.

Personally i think this has got to be good for the integrity of the game and good for some of the young impressionable not too bright footballers with plenty of time and money on the hands.

To ensure the rules could be enforced and the game cleaned up they made a clear blanket ban on footballers actively taking any part in gambling to linked to football. Again surely this is a good idea and makes things a lot easier for players and fans to understand and adhere to alike.

Joey Barton knew these rules and has knowingly broken them and suddenly because he is our player we are trying to make excuses and almost suggest that these cases should all be judged on an individual basis that would make preventing match fixing almost impossible.

Whether the ban is too long is a fair debate and one Joey will rightly take up but the way the FA have approached match fixing and gambling should be commended for its strength and clearness and like Joey we should accept that he has broken the rules and therefore is guilty and should receive some kind of ban.

Finally to now start linking the FA's policy to prevent match fixing with the morality around gambling sponsorship is just childish, naive and clutching at straws like a dumped schoolgirl.

Joey has been a revelation for us and will remembered rightly in great esteem but he was starting to overstay his welcome in the first 11 and if but for this ban he would have been with the club next season in a playing capacity I for one would have been hugely disappointed about how we was building and the past two seasons achievements

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 3:37 pm

SalisburyClaret wrote:So an organisation that benefits from gambling bans someone who contributes to that revenue and then bans him from further activities over which they have no jurisdiction

Any first year law student would have a field day with this - am sure we'll see Joey back before long

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What ? On Clarets Player ?

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 3:40 pm

SalisburyClaret wrote:So an organisation that benefits from gambling bans someone who contributes to that revenue and then bans him from further activities over which they have no jurisdiction

Any first year law student would have a field day with this - am sure we'll see Joey back before long

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The rules are very similar - probably more lenient - than they've had in horse racing for years.

box_of_frogs · Post by **box_of_frogs** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 3:42 pm

SalisburyClaret wrote: am sure someone will see Joey back in about 18 months

Corrected that for you.

matucana · Post by **matucana** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 3:46 pm

Many thanks are due to JB for helping to move BFC forward so rapidly over the last and current season. That night when his picture appeared in the locker room wearing a claret and blue jersey suggesting his possible arrival will never be forgotten by many.

The next 18 months could be spent writing a sequel to 'No Nonsense'. Plenty of material still to go at along with the historic and current betting scene in football. They would be queueing up for serialisation rights.

To show solidarity with JB and the views expressed within his statement, when the new shirts go on sale, should they be emblazoned with betting
endorsements , we could all decide not to purchase on the grounds of not wanting to publicise gambling in football.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 4:00 pm

18 months is a **** take, he makes very good points in his statement too. I bet other footballers are now shitting themselves.

Cheers for the memories Joey, outstanding last season and would have been this season had you not been a big jessie and gone to play Sunday league

ashtonlongsider · Post by **ashtonlongsider** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 4:03 pm

My wife rang me at lunchtime to tell me he'd been given an 18 month ban from all football related activity, I couldn't believe it.
In my heart of hearts I expected a lengthy ban but I felt he would be with us sometime next season. Apart from Tom Heaton, possibly Ben Mee, he's the only leader we have.
Joey was an inspirational signing of SD and debatably his most important. I'm sure without his experience and leadership last season we wouldn't have been promoted. Just my opinion. Thanks for the memories Joey and remember 'You'll always be a Claret'.

gandhisflipflop · Post by **gandhisflipflop** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 4:11 pm

Eric cantona kung fu kick - 9 month ban

Rio Ferdinand failed/missed drugs test - 9 month ban

Joey Barton gambling addiction - 18 month ban.

Where is the consistency?

Oshkoshclaret · Post by **Oshkoshclaret** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 4:13 pm

I don't have much sympathy for Joey. His entire book reinforced the Scouse "never my fault" stereotype. Same pattern in every chapter: "Yeah I hold my hands up, I did a bad thing, I accept responsibility. But now here's a long, whiny list of excuses as why it wasn't really my fault."

His statement today is in exactly the same vein. The FA has finally run out of patience and thrown the book at him. Totally understandable.

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 4:16 pm

Gets what he deserves I'm afraid. Betting for the club you're employed by to lose regardless if he was playing or not is completely out of order.

If this was Sigurdsson or Huddleston nobody would defend them.

duncandisorderly · Post by **duncandisorderly** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 4:20 pm

Dyched wrote:Gets what he deserves I'm afraid. Betting for the club you're employed by to lose regardless if he was playing or not is completely out of order.

If this was Sigurdsson or Huddleston nobody would defend them.

I don't think that's true. It's been made clear that his integrity is not in question, so the subject of the bets is irrelevant. He's broken the rules and deserves a ban, but this is the FA saying that gambling is worse than violence, drugs and racism, all while actively supporting and promoting betting companies.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 4:22 pm

Well at least if the FA are consistent we can now expect to see WHU demoted for tax evasion, and Newcastle's promotion stopped too, so that will help us no end next season. I reckon that those punishments would be something like consistent with the punishment served up to Joey.
Will it happen?, don't hold your breath,
I don't have too much sympathy with him, but he makes many valid points about addiction in his response, and the punishment does seem ridiculously harsh when compared with some previous bans, for what appear to be far more serious issues, and especially considering that he co-operated fully with the footballing authorities.

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 4:23 pm

Wonder why Allardyce was not banned from all football activity for cheating the useless FA and the whole of English football. No this Barton and Burnley.

There could be a few worried footballers now. What about this clown at Blackburn who headbutted a chap in a bar. Has he got banned?

Oshkoshclaret · Post by **Oshkoshclaret** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 4:45 pm

duncandisorderly wrote:It's been made clear that his integrity is not in question.

It's been stated by Joey that his integrity is not in question. We haven't seen the written report from the tribunal yet.

But even with the limited information available we can see he bet on himself to be first scorer in a game versus Fulham, and in the same game he bet against a team mate (Samaras) being first goalscorer. I have no hesitation saying this brings his integrity into question.

lakesclaret · Post by **lakesclaret** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 4:45 pm

It's utterly staggering ,but not at all surprising given the FA's scattergun knee jerk incompetence we've come to expect from them .

Sad to see Joey go,been brilliant for us ,true professional ,maybe not a bad time as we need to rebuild midfield and I guess he was gonna head off at season end .Coujd have done with him to see the season out though

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 4:46 pm

texasbrit wrote:So ' tall boy' you would support the banning of a footballer if he had a drug addiction and tested positive for drugs in his system ???

You have missed the point entirely

I presume you're talking to me. There's a quote function so that it's easy to see to which post your response relates, with the extra advantage that the person you're quoting receives a notification.

What point have I missed and how does your question relate to it?

The FA are responsible for maintaining the integrity of the game, not protecting the public from gambling issues.

Maybe the FA shouldn't promote gambling, but that's a completely separate issue from their rules on its members placing bets and Barton is an idiot for trying to connect them and an even bigger idiot for trying to use it as an excuse.

bartons baggage · Post by **bartons baggage** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 4:49 pm

KRBFC wrote:Put two fingers up to the rest of the football world? Oh it's there fault he's banned.........There was me thinking it was Barton's fault.

Stop trying to make the thread about you.
I fully understand you have a chemical imbalance thing going on,but give it a rest.
I'm convinced you get sexually aroused when Burnley FC get bad news,maybe you and abc could engage in a spot of feltching.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 4:53 pm

Cooperclaret wrote:KBRFC - this thread is about Joey Barton a fantastic footballer. For once, it's not about you.

You are spoiling this forum and many agree.

And you just made it about me, well done Einstein.

I gave my opinion, I think its a disgrace for any footballer to bet against his own team and team mates. It does not matter if the player plays for Burnley or Barnet.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 4:56 pm

The Enclosure wrote:KRBFC...the tone of your posts suggest you are rejoicing in the fact that one of our own players has had his career prematurely ended......you really are a very sad piece of work.
In fact many of your posts on this forum are just pathetic attention seeking drivel.

I said hes been great for the club and deserves huge credit for the way he has handled himself while with us. After looking at the bets he placed against his own team and his recent form, I'm delighted we can now get shut. My opinion on his time here hasn't changed but my opinion on his future with us certainly has.

bartons baggage · Post by **bartons baggage** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 5:01 pm

The thing is d1ck face quite a few adults on here have said he deserved the ban,and put it across in an adult manner.
You on the other hand act like a prepubescent little scrote who craves attention.

RalphCoatesComb · Post by **RalphCoatesComb** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 5:07 pm

gandhisflipflop wrote:Eric cantona kung fu kick - 9 month ban

Rio Ferdinand failed/missed drugs test - 9 month ban

Joey Barton gambling addiction - 18 month ban.

Where is the consistency?

And, Big Fat Sam ?? Agreeing to give advice on how to get around FA Rules (WHILST ENGLAND MANAGER FFS!!!) and walks straight back into management.

Having read his Twitter feed, he talks from the heart and tells it as it is. I agree with what he says.

18 months is a disgrace and the FA should be ashamed.

They have certainly set the bar high for anyone wishing to breach their rules now.

ClaretCanada · Post by **ClaretCanada** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 5:09 pm

18 months
Who did he kill ?
Thanks Joey for the good times

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 5:19 pm

FA have just signed and sealed our relegation. at best we will get a point from the rest of the season.
I still think it's illegal to ban him from his right to earn money from his job, which is what they have done.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 5:22 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:I still think it's illegal to ban him from his right to earn money from his job, which is what they have done.

Then you think wrong cos it is not illegal

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 5:38 pm

The FA have been, and are still an embarrassment.

This is waaaaaayyyyy over the top. He's made a mistake, he's screwed up, but anyone (except I suppose those with an agenda who have made Barton their whipping boy) thinking this punishment fits the crime needs to wake up.

Seems to me this punishment is PURELY for Joseph Barton. Not a chance in hell lampard or gerrard would've got anywhere near as long a ban. It's all hypothetical I know, but I believe, and I suspect he does too, that it would've been sooooo different for someone else.

Great shame for it to end like this. Been superb in claret and blue.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 5:43 pm

They got him in the end - his fault, he gave them the ammo.
Our survival will taste even sweeter for this.

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 5:45 pm

Joey only has himself to blame. I've no sympathy for the bloke he won't/shouldn't be short of a bob or two with his career & booksales he could still remain in the game as a pundit or get his coaching badges or even have a last swansong at lower level when the ban finishes.

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 5:57 pm

I agree the punishment is way over the top.
I don't believe the ban would have been as long for any other player in the league.
Joey is paying the price, not for gambling, but for every other misdemeanour he's ever done. That isn't justice.
As usual his response is very open, honest and enlightening. Taken into account, if it is, it should surely produce a reduction.
In any other profession a weakness to drugs, gambling or any other addiction, would be followed by an education programme, not a kick in the teeth.

Joey could offer a lot to youngsters, in avoiding some of the many traps he has fallen into.

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 6:04 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:FA have just signed and sealed our relegation. at best we will get a point from the rest of the season.

They haven't. We always knew he would get a ban and whilst 18 months is way over the top, it was never going to be just a few games.

We've won more points this season without Joey Barton than with him. It's a blow but let's not be melodramatic about it.

PWBFC · Post by **PWBFC** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 6:30 pm

Can't really have much sympathy for him. He broke the rules repeatedly for years. Rules that are black and white and easy to follow.

18 months is perhaps excessive but given the nature of the bets, any punishment was always going to end his BFC career.

Hopefully his 30K fine is spent on a good cause.

chipbutty · Post by **chipbutty** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 6:36 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote:It is pretty ironic that half the Prem's teams are sponsored by............................betting companies.

Half??? Try naming teams that aren`t sponsored by gambling!

chipbutty · Post by **chipbutty** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 6:39 pm

Sidney1st wrote:I'm not sure if people saying he's been banned now because he plays for Burnley are serious, on drugs or just joking....

Do you honestly think that Wayne Rooney or John Terry would have received an 18 month ban for similar offences?

boyyanno · Post by **boyyanno** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 6:41 pm

The ban is stupidly harsh. When you compare this to racism, drugs cheats, The infamous kung fu kick and many more it does seem very laughable.

Joey has upset a lot of people over his career, it's cringe worthy how apparent they've made it.

Adidas1961 · Post by **Adidas1961** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 6:44 pm

Absolutely ridiculous 18 months ban! Like said on here earlier the FA should look closely at themselves! Seems odd that an extremely high flying manager can take a back hander and get caught on film, lose his high profile job then have a sunshine break then return to management and all seems forgotten !! No names mentioned of course!!
Joey you did a job for us and a very good job too! Keep on Keeping on and good luck.

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 6:46 pm

Going by the length of the ban and the seriousness of the offence any individuals at Newcastle or West Ham found guilty of Tax Avoidance and defrauding the Inland Revenue should receive about 50 years.

Giftonsnoidea · Post by **Giftonsnoidea** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 6:48 pm

Obvioulsy the people within the FA hate him but he was doing something illegal which is written in the rules of the game. If you go against such rules your going to get it in the neck and he is the first one to have so many bets....

Being made an example of here, no wonder his form had dropped recently, probably knew this was coming........

boyyanno · Post by **boyyanno** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 6:50 pm

I might be wrong but I thought a few had been found guilty for match fixing/betting a year or two ago? Was one of them not ex Blackburn or Blackpool or somthing? Anyone know how long they got?

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 6:53 pm

Dj Campbell and he wasn't charged.

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 6:55 pm

When talking about "so many bets" it should be remembered that the number of bets placed are during a 10 year period…..roughly 2.5 bets per week.

Most betting shop punters would have their bets recorded in the tens of thousands over the same 10 year period.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 6:56 pm

chipbutty wrote:Do you honestly think that Wayne Rooney or John Terry would have received an 18 month ban for similar offences?

How long was Barton knowingly breaking the rules?
Betting on your own team is a massive no no for starters.

He will get the ban reduced because compared to bans for racism and violence, its well over the top.
Even drug users get less as proven by Berahino at WBA.

When someone else is caught bettting as much as Barton we now know what that player should expect.
A think a few more will be caught now.

Cubanclaret · Post by **Cubanclaret** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 7:08 pm

Bad news. I presume he'll be ok having a flutter from now on though