Joey Barton

[Harrythomsonscap]

Just watched this item reported on BBC Northwest tonight. The reporter Roger Johnson A B-------d fan commented " While he was slowing up anyway" also reports Joey was betting while @ BFC ( don't think that was the case) hope Joey sues him for £30k ! HE HE

[fidelcastro]

"also reports Joey was betting while @ BFC ( don't think that was the case) hope Joey sues him for £30k ! HE HE"

But he was.

[JohnDearyMe]

Born in Red Hook, Brooklyn, in the year of who knows when
Opened up his eyes to the tune of an accordion
Always on the outside of whatever side there was
When they asked him why it had to be that way
"Well, " he answered, "just because"

Larry was the oldest, Joey was next to last
They called Joe "Crazy, " the baby they called "Kid Blast"
Some say they lived off gambling and runnin' numbers too
It always seemed they got caught between the mob and the men in blue

Joey, Joey
King of the streets, child of clay
Joey, Joey
What made them want to come and blow you away?


A tribute to Joey from Bob Dylan

[harpers_perm]

The simple question is 'Did Joey know he was breaking the rules when he made his 1,400 bets?'.

The answer is yes and his defence is that he's an addict and it's not his fault. No defence really, it's black or white.

His Twitter comments raise the obvious but rules are rules and surely nobody can say those rules are wrong.

If Joey had bet on Burnley to lose whilst playing for us there may be some very different comments on here, why any different for Man City and Newcastle.

The sad aspect is that's he's been fantastic for Burnley and a model player with a first rate attitude. It's truly sad that his career has ended in this fashion, he deserves better.

Best wishes Joey, I hope he returns to football because his passion and football knowledge would benefit any club in the future.

[fidelcastro]

"Born in Red Hook, Brooklyn, in the year of who knows when"

And here was me thinking he was a scouser.

[IanMcL]

I had not realised that Bob Dylan knows him!

[IanMcL]

Just read his list of bets! he is not very successful, to say the least!

[claretblue]

past article from BBC website:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38794176" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

many players may be implicated

...could be watching 5 a-side footy soon!

[martin_p]

The simple question is 'Did Joey know he was breaking the rules when he made his 1,400 bets?'.

The answer is yes and his defence is that he's an addict and it's not his fault. No defence really, it's black or white.

His Twitter comments raise the obvious but rules are rules and surely nobody can say those rules are wrong.

If Joey had bet on Burnley to lose whilst playing for us there may be some very different comments on here, why any different for Man City and Newcastle.

The sad aspect is that's he's been fantastic for Burnley and a model player with a first rate attitude. It's truly sad that his career has ended in this fashion, he deserves better.

Best wishes Joey, I hope he returns to football because his passion and football knowledge would benefit any club in the future.

I don't think there's a single person saying what he did wasn't wrong and he doesn't deserve punishing, but 18 months is excessive. But I'm sure all the people who have been affected by Barton's betting will be pleased he's got his comeuppance..... or at least they would if anyone had been affected!!! He could have finished a fellow professionals career and only be banned for 3 games.

[Devils_Advocate]

It isnt about people being affected by Bartons actions but about the FA having black and white rules in this area to make sure there are no loop holes for those who fix matches for gambling purposes to get away with it.

Stopping professional footballers betting on football matches of any kind is surely a small price to play to help us rid the game of match fixing

[harpers_perm]

Well it's affected his current employers hasn't it?

[evensteadiereddie]

Half??? Try naming teams that aren`t sponsored by gambling!

Chelsea, City, Arsenal, Liverpool, Leicester, United, Everton, Southampton and Boro.
So it's just over half.....

[Bacchus]

Loads of irrelevant whataboutery on this thread. You can't make direct comparisons with punishments for bad tackles, racism, violent conduct, drug offences or any other random examples you might wish to pull from the archives because each is a different offence with different potential beneficiaries and different consequences for individuals / teams / the game in general.

It's obvious why the rules exist. If we reach a point where people can't believe that the game is a genuine contest then it's all over. The only viable way to stop that from happening is to have a blanket ban on those who could influence matches (footballers) from betting on football, and to enforce that ban with heavy punishment of those who breach it.

Barton's alleged addiction is irrelevant - he could have a handful of bets a week on horses, golf, politics, X-Factor, the amount of times Theresa May says "Brexit Means Brexit" in any given week, literally anything other than football and nobody would have given it a second thought.

Barton has operated with scant regard for authority or protocol throughout his career. Now that attitude has come back to bite him. He needs to accept it and so do we - adopting a chip on shoulder mentality about it doesn't reflect well on anyone.

[newchurchbfc]

Joey gets 18 month and fat ( cow ed ) Sam walks into a job after being sacked by England its a joke.

[lucs86]

In Scotland, for the bets he placed while in Scotland, it was a 1 game ban. His employer, who employed him while he was betting, lost the player for 1 game.

If he's placed bets whilst playing for us then punish him (with a fine) and punish us for employing a gambling player, with a ban, 1 game (like in Scotland for sake of argument).

But for bets placed at clubs where he's no longer an employee, e.g. Newcastle and City where he was betting on his own team's games, which I imagine have attracted the really harsh penalty, punish the player, with a fine befitting the offence (i.e. not £30k), don't punish the club where the offences didn't take place.

If his punishment is worth 18 months loss of earnings (£1m for sake of argument) plus £30k, then the punishment can begin and end with Joey, it doesn't need to involve us losing a player for 4 games. That doesn't seem fair or right really, while the vast majority of what's wrong and what is being punished has gone on under the noses of other clubs.

[dsr]

It's been stated by Joey that his integrity is not in question. We haven't seen the written report from the tribunal yet.

But even with the limited information available we can see he bet on himself to be first scorer in a game versus Fulham, and in the same game he bet against a team mate (Samaras) being first goalscorer. I have no hesitation saying this brings his integrity into question.

That's harsh. Those two bets totalled £8. If for the sake of an £8 bet his integrity is in question, then every single player who has bet a teammate £4 or more that he will score before his pal should also have his integrity in question.

There isn't enough money at stake for this to be any more than rule breaking. (Quite apart from the fact he kept losing!)

[Dyched]

I don't think that's true. It's been made clear that his integrity is not in question, so the subject of the bets is irrelevant. He's broken the rules and deserves a ban, but this is the FA saying that gambling is worse than violence, drugs and racism, all while actively supporting and promoting betting companies.

Of course his integrity is in question. Betting for the team he plays for to lose. C'mon that takes the ****.

[Nonayforever]

I would be surprised if Joey didn't get the 18 month ban reduced or scrapped on appeal by virtue of the fact that the rules are in place ( which he admits he broke) but within the rules are no mention of the punishment if the rules are broken, therefore to restrain someone's employment when they have broken the rule is probably not legally enforceable.

[ablueclaret]

Personally think all football bodies should be investigated because of the complete takeover of the sport by gambling organisations. How they are allowed anywhere near the sport beats me. The sport has brought the problem on itself.

[TVC15]

I would be surprised if Joey didn't get the 18 month ban reduced or scrapped on appeal by virtue of the fact that the rules are in place ( which he admits he broke) but within the rules are no mention of the punishment if the rules are broken, therefore to restrain someone's employment when they have broken the rule is probably not legally enforceable.

Really ?
I'm guessing you are not a lawyer then.
Breaking the rules in most (if not all) professions can result in not being able to work in that industry - in many jobs this could be a life ban.
Of course this depends on many factors - the rules broken ; the extent / frequency of the issues ; the sector / job ; previous conduct etc etc
The rules cannot be too specific on the consequences as there are so many variables to take into account - but employees are aware that breaking the rules could lead to being banned.

100% in this case it is legally enforceable.
I do think, however, that the ban could be reduced on appeal if Joey and his team can highlight enough previous precedent where bans have been shorter.

[Sidney1st]

I would be surprised if Joey didn't get the 18 month ban reduced or scrapped on appeal by virtue of the fact that the rules are in place ( which he admits he broke) but within the rules are no mention of the punishment if the rules are broken, therefore to restrain someone's employment when they have broken the rule is probably not legally enforceable.

The FA can't sack a player for blatant rule breaking, like a normal employer would do.

The only option is a ban, due to the circumstances surrounding sports and players contracts etc.

[hampsteadclaret]

Betting/Gambling/Addiction and Joey Barton being discussed on Nicky Campbell's programme very shortly...BBC Radio 2...9.10am onwards..

[mikeS]

I know he's done wrong, been found guilty but can't help but feel a bit sorry for him. A sad way to end a great career. Burnleys best player in our promotion season, always gave 100 per cent and good reports of him off the field in his work with the local hospice. Hope he's ok and got the support he needs.

[ClaretAndJew]

Radio 5 Live is Nicky Campbell's show mate. On now.

[7decades]

Great shame and horrendous punishment from those 'officials' who deem to run the game. UK out....Europe/China/USA probably still ok.

Thank you for everything and good luck.

We owe you a debt.

Yes we do.....but not his gambling debts I hope !!

[hampsteadclaret]

CAndJew...Thanks for that..don't know what happened there...? I knew that..