10 minute 'Sin Bin' for dissent to be trialled in non-league

This Forum is the main messageboard to discuss all things Claret and Blue and beyond
Post Reply
Falcon
Posts: 3367
Joined: Fri Jan 22, 2016 1:40 pm
Been Liked: 936 times
Has Liked: 1270 times
Location: Proudsville

10 minute 'Sin Bin' for dissent to be trialled in non-league

Post by Falcon » Wed May 03, 2017 12:15 pm


RocketLawnChair
Been Liked: 1 time
Has Liked: 950 times

Re: 10 minute 'Sin Bin' for dissent to be trialled in non-league

Post by RocketLawnChair » Wed May 03, 2017 12:39 pm

If implemented it will become yet another tool to give the big clubs an advantage.

I can see it now Burnley player says "no way ref" is sent straight to the sin bin.

Man United player says "how the **** can you ******* give that you useless ******* ****" is threatened with sin bin.
These 2 users liked this post: boatshed bill Rowls

Silkyskills1
Posts: 6636
Joined: Wed Jan 27, 2016 6:39 pm
Been Liked: 1946 times
Has Liked: 2892 times
Location: Rawtenstall

Re: 10 minute 'Sin Bin' for dissent to be trialled in non-league

Post by Silkyskills1 » Wed May 03, 2017 12:41 pm

Good luck to any ref on a Sunday morning with that one. Far better idea to introduce it at the other end of the league structure. 10 minutes seems very short and we'd probably see more players falling down to rub their ankle or need a drink of water. Chaos looming.

Spijed
Posts: 18029
Joined: Mon Jan 18, 2016 12:33 pm
Been Liked: 3047 times
Has Liked: 1326 times

Re: 10 minute 'Sin Bin' for dissent to be trialled in non-league

Post by Spijed » Wed May 03, 2017 12:45 pm

It'll only work if a team is losing as it could leave them exposed. If a team is winning they'll just park the bus for 10 mins.

chekhov
Posts: 3329
Joined: Fri Jan 22, 2016 7:54 am
Been Liked: 880 times
Has Liked: 1678 times
Location: France

Re: 10 minute 'Sin Bin' for dissent to be trialled in non-league

Post by chekhov » Wed May 03, 2017 12:45 pm

How about an old-fashioned yellow card? Would have thought that would do the trick. Sin bin sounds like a gimmick and something else to add to the game, slowing it down and making it more complicated.
This user liked this post: Harleston Claret

Tall Paul
Posts: 7422
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 8:07 am
Been Liked: 2650 times
Has Liked: 733 times

Re: 10 minute 'Sin Bin' for dissent to be trialled in non-league

Post by Tall Paul » Wed May 03, 2017 12:48 pm

chekhov wrote:How about an old-fashioned yellow card? Would have thought that would do the trick.
It didn't for Zaha on Saturday.

the_fat_shearer
Posts: 245
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 1:52 pm
Been Liked: 61 times
Has Liked: 47 times

Re: 10 minute 'Sin Bin' for dissent to be trialled in non-league

Post by the_fat_shearer » Wed May 03, 2017 1:00 pm

Silkyskills1 wrote:Good luck to any ref on a Sunday morning with that one. Far better idea to introduce it at the other end of the league structure. 10 minutes seems very short and we'd probably see more players falling down to rub their ankle or need a drink of water. Chaos looming.
Exactly.

If you introduce a 10 minute sin bin it will ruin those ten minutes of the game. The side down to 10 will do everything in their power to waste time.

dpinsussex
Posts: 3554
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 11:15 am
Been Liked: 1047 times
Has Liked: 1187 times
Location: Reading

Re: 10 minute 'Sin Bin' for dissent to be trialled in non-league

Post by dpinsussex » Wed May 03, 2017 1:04 pm

Silkyskills1 wrote:Good luck to any ref on a Sunday morning with that one. Far better idea to introduce it at the other end of the league structure. 10 minutes seems very short and we'd probably see more players falling down to rub their ankle or need a drink of water. Chaos looming.
Who manages the 10 minutes? If 3 or 4 players are off then pure chaos.
Also if temp sin bin for dissent and it continues is that a standard yellow and back on pitch or a 2nd yellow and sent off.
Is the player allowed to stand with his team during the sin binning or do we need seperate "detention areas"

Terrible idea

ThinLizzy
Posts: 969
Joined: Tue Jul 26, 2016 2:17 pm
Been Liked: 299 times
Has Liked: 221 times

Re: 10 minute 'Sin Bin' for dissent to be trialled in non-league

Post by ThinLizzy » Wed May 03, 2017 1:16 pm

Some bizarre comments on here. They manage at the big International tournaments in Rugby Union with this. Is football anywhere near as complex on tackles etc? I don't think so. Respect is one thing they have for their game and the referee.
Something very much lacking in football.
It's easily dealt with. It's not Diane Abbott counting the time down. It'll be a clock.
Sure, it goes without saying that a team down to ten men will try to slow the game down etc but surely that can be added to the sin bin. As in the rugby, the clock stops. Just stop the clock when a player tries to waste time. It really is quite simple. They'll soon realise that wasting time will just extend the game. I'm all for it if it stops the diving like Sane, Zaha, Rashford etc tried at the weekend. Continuous disruption of play/tie wasting would result in a yellow/second yellow card and a subsequent red. It's very simple. It would stop cheating very quickly and improve the flow of the game eventually.

FactualFrank
Posts: 25445
Joined: Sat Mar 26, 2016 12:46 am
Been Liked: 6930 times
Has Liked: 11660 times
Location: Leeds

Re: 10 minute 'Sin Bin' for dissent to be trialled in non-league

Post by FactualFrank » Wed May 03, 2017 1:50 pm

How about the player is sin-binned until the next goal goes in :-D
If the winning team defends deep, that's only what they'd have done had a man been sent off, anyway.

But overall, I don't think it will work.

ClaretTony
Posts: 77586
Joined: Thu Dec 24, 2015 3:07 pm
Been Liked: 37975 times
Has Liked: 5765 times
Location: Burnley
Contact:

Re: 10 minute 'Sin Bin' for dissent to be trialled in non-league

Post by ClaretTony » Wed May 03, 2017 1:52 pm

Not in favour of this at all

Goobs
Posts: 4611
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 8:43 am
Been Liked: 1551 times
Has Liked: 1065 times
Location: Burnley

Re: 10 minute 'Sin Bin' for dissent to be trialled in non-league

Post by Goobs » Wed May 03, 2017 2:09 pm

Man Utd would be down to 3 men after the first decision goes against them.

minnieclaret
Posts: 6842
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 9:05 am
Been Liked: 2012 times
Has Liked: 2287 times
Location: lismore co. waterford

Re: 10 minute 'Sin Bin' for dissent to be trialled in non-league

Post by minnieclaret » Wed May 03, 2017 2:18 pm

Pointless unless there is a running clock showing game time and sinbin time, as in rugby.
a player will just go down injured and spin out the 10 mins.

box_of_frogs
Posts: 5077
Joined: Sat Jan 23, 2016 11:47 am
Been Liked: 1106 times
Has Liked: 1017 times

Re: 10 minute 'Sin Bin' for dissent to be trialled in non-league

Post by box_of_frogs » Wed May 03, 2017 2:24 pm

I'd much rather see physio's coming onto the pitch whilst play continues around them. That'd stop the time wasting / rolling around like you've been shot by a sniper.

clitheroeclaret2
Posts: 396
Joined: Sun Jan 24, 2016 9:50 pm
Been Liked: 82 times
Has Liked: 205 times

Re: 10 minute 'Sin Bin' for dissent to be trialled in non-league

Post by clitheroeclaret2 » Wed May 03, 2017 2:49 pm

Brilliant

Other than 2 or 3 of our team, eg marney, barton, barnes this will work massively to our advantage compared to all the other ill disciplined lot.

Will probably stop it happening in the 1st place so that's got to be a good thing. Referees have enough to do with trying to control some of these idiots!

Steve1956
Posts: 17949
Joined: Fri Dec 30, 2016 1:57 pm
Been Liked: 6643 times
Has Liked: 3095 times
Location: Fife

Re: 10 minute 'Sin Bin' for dissent to be trialled in non-league

Post by Steve1956 » Wed May 03, 2017 2:50 pm

Think we can forget this one guys, shite idea

ElectroClaret
Posts: 20579
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 7:07 pm
Been Liked: 4536 times
Has Liked: 2046 times

Re: 10 minute 'Sin Bin' for dissent to be trialled in non-league

Post by ElectroClaret » Wed May 03, 2017 2:50 pm

If this is meant to combat dissent, as it says, then they should never have scrapped the
ten yard rule, where the ball was moved forward when someone began mouthing off.
This was a real deterrent, particularly when play was near the box.

Think those belmtards UEFA gave it the elbow, but I don't know why.

dpinsussex
Posts: 3554
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 11:15 am
Been Liked: 1047 times
Has Liked: 1187 times
Location: Reading

Re: 10 minute 'Sin Bin' for dissent to be trialled in non-league

Post by dpinsussex » Wed May 03, 2017 3:25 pm

clitheroeclaret2 wrote:Brilliant

Other than 2 or 3 of our team, eg marney, barton, barnes this will work massively to our advantage compared to all the other ill disciplined lot.

Will probably stop it happening in the 1st place so that's got to be a good thing. Referees have enough to do with trying to control some of these idiots!
Apart from the fact we arent playing non league football.
Might help the horse fiddlers in a couple of years tho

Rowls
Posts: 14734
Joined: Wed Jan 20, 2016 11:00 pm
Been Liked: 5680 times
Has Liked: 5912 times
Location: Montpellier, France

Re: 10 minute 'Sin Bin' for dissent to be trialled in non-league

Post by Rowls » Wed May 03, 2017 3:30 pm

Silly idea only suited to sports played with a stop-clock for game time.

boatshed bill
Posts: 17334
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 10:47 am
Been Liked: 3563 times
Has Liked: 7814 times

Re: 10 minute 'Sin Bin' for dissent to be trialled in non-league

Post by boatshed bill » Wed May 03, 2017 3:31 pm

non-league crowds will be able to look forward to bits of 5 a-side with rush-goalies. Sounds like fun, if not football as we know it.

Sidney1st
Posts: 15478
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 10:40 pm
Been Liked: 3548 times
Has Liked: 5594 times
Location: Oxfordshire

Re: 10 minute 'Sin Bin' for dissent to be trialled in non-league

Post by Sidney1st » Wed May 03, 2017 3:33 pm

The other week Rooney appeared to spend about 10mins complaining to/about the ref after he didn't get something awarded in his favour.

The ref eventually booked him when he got bored of the gobbing off.

If people are happy to see that going on then fair enough.

What about the times when Players surround the ref?
Personally there should be a microphone on the ref so the FA can listen to the recordings after games and hand out punishments based on the words aimed at the refs that we've all seen used.

Darthlaw
Posts: 3418
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 12:08 pm
Been Liked: 1290 times
Has Liked: 449 times
Location: Death Star, Dark Side Row S Seat 666

Re: 10 minute 'Sin Bin' for dissent to be trialled in non-league

Post by Darthlaw » Wed May 03, 2017 4:16 pm

I can see the logic behind it but can't see how it could be worked into the game.

Imagine Zaha gets his second yellow against us but goes on in the game to score the winner. He misses the following game against our relegation rivals, thus weakening Zaha's team and increasing our rivals chances. How have Burnley benefited in this scenario?

IMO it should be put in for diving and the player off the pitch for 10 minutes live ball time, so that injuries and time wasting would only hurt the team with the diving player. How would Man U react to Rashford missing 15 minutes of the game for diving. More importantly, would he be as inclined to do it again?

Steve1956
Posts: 17949
Joined: Fri Dec 30, 2016 1:57 pm
Been Liked: 6643 times
Has Liked: 3095 times
Location: Fife

Re: 10 minute 'Sin Bin' for dissent to be trialled in non-league

Post by Steve1956 » Wed May 03, 2017 5:24 pm

Sidney1st wrote:The other week Rooney appeared to spend about 10mins complaining to/about the ref after he didn't get something awarded in his favour.

The ref eventually booked him when he got bored of the gobbing off.

If people are happy to see that going on then fair enough.

What about the times when Players surround the ref?
Personally there should be a microphone on the ref so the FA can listen to the recordings after games and hand out punishments based on the words aimed at the refs that we've all seen used.
The Microphone works really well in Rugby Union,and the players respect the referee so much more,great idea for football.

grapidianclaret
Posts: 954
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 12:03 pm
Been Liked: 332 times
Has Liked: 231 times
Location: at work,for a change!

Re: 10 minute 'Sin Bin' for dissent to be trialled in non-league

Post by grapidianclaret » Wed May 03, 2017 6:29 pm

the_fat_shearer wrote:Exactly.

If you introduce a 10 minute sin bin it will ruin those ten minutes of the game. The side down to 10 will do everything in their power to waste time.
Under that premise, the FA should do away with the red card, cause it ruins what is left of the game.

grapidianclaret
Posts: 954
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 12:03 pm
Been Liked: 332 times
Has Liked: 231 times
Location: at work,for a change!

Re: 10 minute 'Sin Bin' for dissent to be trialled in non-league

Post by grapidianclaret » Wed May 03, 2017 6:30 pm

Rowls wrote:Silly idea only suited to sports played with a stop-clock for game time.
Additional minutes anybody?

No Ney Never
Posts: 2772
Joined: Mon Jan 25, 2016 10:31 pm
Been Liked: 919 times
Has Liked: 335 times

Re: 10 minute 'Sin Bin' for dissent to be trialled in non-league

Post by No Ney Never » Wed May 03, 2017 9:28 pm

Forget sin bins, the football authorities should introduce a free kick in the knackers.
Say we're playing manure and Rashford takes a dive or Rooney does too much gobbing off, instead of a sin bin or yellow card for the player, our manager should be allowed to kick their manager in the knackers. Would soon have managers ridding such behaviour from their players and make for great TV. Who'd tune in to MOTD to watch Dyche hoof Mourinho? Forget goal of the month, balls of the month would be swell !!!
These 2 users liked this post: boatshed bill Goodclaret

Falcon
Posts: 3367
Joined: Fri Jan 22, 2016 1:40 pm
Been Liked: 936 times
Has Liked: 1270 times
Location: Proudsville

Re: 10 minute 'Sin Bin' for dissent to be trialled in non-league

Post by Falcon » Thu May 04, 2017 12:58 pm

What about the lesser spotted female managers who I understand are generally sans knackers?

No Ney Never
Posts: 2772
Joined: Mon Jan 25, 2016 10:31 pm
Been Liked: 919 times
Has Liked: 335 times

Re: 10 minute 'Sin Bin' for dissent to be trialled in non-league

Post by No Ney Never » Thu May 04, 2017 4:09 pm

Falcon wrote:What about the lesser spotted female managers who I understand are generally sans knackers?
They're given a wedgie and banned from talking for 10 minutes, that's probably enough to upset most women.

Post Reply