The Dyche spirit

[Sidney1st]

Did you think the same before Saturdays win with Dyche's side.

As a side note Coyle did a very good job keeping Bolton up that were a very poor side before Xmas. His points total from both clubs that season would of been mid table easily.

I've pretty much always had faith in Dyche.
I've questioned some of his line ups, but from his demeanor he's always had me believing we would be fine.

Coyle didn't instill that same belief in me in that run up to Xmas.

Bolton already had a better team then us, they just needed motivating again, which we all knew Coyle could do and when he coupled that with those loan signings it was going to work out well.

[Stalbansclaret]

Just read this thread in disbelief, barring the first few posts. I realise it's mainly the ridiculous posts of one person but are there seriously people out there who want to bitch and moan about our "unattractive style" when we are are on the verge of performing the minor miracle of a sustained spell in the Premier League ? Really ??!!! Personally I think my ST this season has been abut the best value thing I have ever bought in my life.....anyone who is dissatisfied at the moment seriously needs to give their head a wobble. Dyche has worked miracles at our club and we are fortunate beyond belief to have the man at the helm. How can any Burnley fan think this is the time to be unhappy ??

[cricketfieldclarets]

Explain the relevance....
This is about style of play nothing to do with which side was better. This side is clearly the better one, we've spent an absolute fortune in comparison.

The difference is our goal difference is effectiveky worth an extra point this season.

[cricketfieldclarets]

Just read this thread in disbelief, barring the first few posts. I realise it's mainly the ridiculous posts of one person but are there seriously people out there who want to bitch and moan about our "unattractive style" when we are are on the verge of performing the minor miracle of a sustained spell in the Premier League ? Really ??!!! Personally I think my ST this season has been abut the best value thing I have ever bought in my life.....anyone who is dissatisfied at the moment seriously needs to give their head a wobble. Dyche has worked miracles at our club and we are fortunate beyond belief to have the man at the helm. How can any Burnley fan think this is the time to be unhappy ??

Best post ive read in ages.

Winning football is exciting football.

We played so called attractive footbll under howe. Give me dyche anyday.

For what its worth I have enjoyed almost every game under Dyche since his first full season.

I went to most Coyle away games in 2009. They were some of the worse, uninspiring, unexciting and embarrasing games ive ever been to including division four.

We mighy have attacked but we offered very little and just got ripped apart. It was akin to a boxer just going gung ho from the first bell. If we were very lucky we might have got that lucky punch in. But if they got back up we were screwed.

But we didnt even have the quality to take it to teams.

Our strength now is counter attacking. Saving our energy and timing for quality attacks. Liverpool was the greatest example of this.

I bet we have a far higher goal to attack ratio now than under coyle or howe.

[KRBFC]

Just read this thread in disbelief, barring the first few posts. I realise it's mainly the ridiculous posts of one person but are there seriously people out there who want to bitch and moan about our "unattractive style" when we are are on the verge of performing the minor miracle of a sustained spell in the Premier League ? Really ??!!! Personally I think my ST this season has been abut the best value thing I have ever bought in my life.....anyone who is dissatisfied at the moment seriously needs to give their head a wobble. Dyche has worked miracles at our club and we are fortunate beyond belief to have the man at the helm. How can any Burnley fan think this is the time to be unhappy ??

Wanting better/more isn't being unhappy. Staying in the PL isn't really a minor miracle, Leicester winning the PL is a minor miracle. The mentality to strive for greatness doesn't mean you're unhappy. Looking up and not down isn't unhappy. We aren't little old tinpot league two team anymore, we are a bigger club than other sides in the PL, we have been more successful than clubs like Leeds and Forest over a large spell. The mentality of "little old Burnley punching above their weight" just doesn't sit with me, we're in the PL on merit and its about time some fans moved on from the Orient bullcrap. Some fans will accept anything and everything, content with anything because "little old Burnley". I'm happy at the way we've progressed over the past 10 years but I want that progression to continue.

[califclaret]

IN DYCHE WE TRUST. No more to be said.

[evensteadiereddie]

Wanting better/more isn't being unhappy. Staying in the PL isn't really a minor miracle, Leicester winning the PL is a minor miracle. The mentality to strive for greatness doesn't mean you're unhappy. Looking up and not down isn't unhappy. We aren't little old tinpot league two team anymore, we are a bigger club than other sides in the PL, we have been more successful than clubs like Leeds and Forest over a large spell. The mentality of "little old Burnley punching above their weight" just doesn't sit with me, we're in the PL on merit and its about time some fans moved on from the Orient bullcrap. Some fans will accept anything and everything, content with anything because "little old Burnley". I'm happy at the way we've progressed over the past 10 years but I want that progression to continue.

I think we all do but it is quite strange that you can't accept this season as a stepping stone, a very successful one, in that progression.

[Sidney1st]

Wanting better/more isn't being unhappy. Staying in the PL isn't really a minor miracle, Leicester winning the PL is a minor miracle. The mentality to strive for greatness doesn't mean you're unhappy. Looking up and not down isn't unhappy. We aren't little old tinpot league two team anymore, we are a bigger club than other sides in the PL, we have been more successful than clubs like Leeds and Forest over a large spell. The mentality of "little old Burnley punching above their weight" just doesn't sit with me, we're in the PL on merit and its about time some fans moved on from the Orient bullcrap. Some fans will accept anything and everything, content with anything because "little old Burnley". I'm happy at the way we've progressed over the past 10 years but I want that progression to continue.

Your point about the Orient game is valid, it does feel sometimes that there are people who use it at a safety blanket.
Brighton and Boro have both been in worse positions, locked out of their grounds and actually teetering on the edge of extinction.
Their fans don't feel the need to constantly mention those era's.
They're aware of those periods of time, but they're also aware they've moved on.

As for progressing, we have progressed, we are moving forward but you want bigger steps right now because you're impatient.
I understand that part, you just come across as a bit of a helm when you're constantly berating the manager who's got us here.
I'd be happy to do a Stoke for the next couple of years whilst other stuff was sorted out, whereas I think you'd prefer we did something else.

[Bin Ont Turf]

Your point about the Orient game is valid, it does feel sometimes that there are people who use it at a safety blanket.

Why use examples of what can happen with mismanagement at other clubs (which you have in the past) when arguing how well we're doing now?

It's the same thing.

It's not a safety blanket, it's a reminder of how well this middling to small club is doing and what can happen quite easily.

[claretdom]

Your point about the Orient game is valid, it does feel sometimes that there are people who use it at a safety blanket.
Brighton and Boro have both been in worse positions, locked out of their grounds and actually teetering on the edge of extinction.
Their fans don't feel the need to constantly mention those era's.
They're aware of those periods of time, but they're also aware they've moved on.

As for progressing, we have progressed, we are moving forward but you want bigger steps right now because you're impatient.
I understand that part, you just come across as a bit of a helm when you're constantly berating the manager who's got us here.
I'd be happy to do a Stoke for the next couple of years whilst other stuff was sorted out, whereas I think you'd prefer we did something else.

The only people who don't get the Orient game were people who weren't there or just act ignorant towards that era.

[Sidney1st]

The only people who don't get the Orient game were people who weren't there or just act ignorant towards that era.

It isn't about not getting it, it's about not hiding behind it or feeling the need to constantly roll it out as an excuse not to do something.

[claretdom]

It normally gets mentioned by people who weren't there rather than people who were.

[Sidney1st]

Why use examples of what can happen with mismanagement at other clubs (which you have in the past) when arguing how well we're doing now?

It's the same thing.

It's not a safety blanket, it's a reminder of how well this middling to small club is doing and what can happen quite easily.

We know how well the club is doing, we only need to look at the number of former PL clubs that are floating around in the championship, league 1 and 2.
Clubs who've poured far more money then we have into trying to get into or stay in the PL.

I'm all for having the club run in a sensible manner, I understand the need to balance the finances and ensure the club doesn't drown itself in debts like, other clubs.
It just feels sometimes that when some people mention pushing the envelope slightly, others instantly roll out the Orient game.

[cricketfieldclarets]

But boro and brighton do and will mention it. Its just not as obvious to us as we arent fans of those teams. On their forums and pubs etc it eill be discussed as much as orient.

Boro gave 1986 on their shirt ffs.

Theres nothing wrong with remembering where you came from. Its the footballing equivelent of modesty and humility.

[KRBFC]

But boro and brighton do and will mention it. Its just not as obvious to us as we arent fans of those teams. On their forums and pubs etc it eill be discussed as much as orient.

Boro gave 1986 on their shirt ffs.

Theres nothing wrong with remembering where you came from. Its the footballing equivelent of modesty and humility.

But we won division 1? Why does that not get mentioned more than the Orient game?

[cricketfieldclarets]

But we won division 1? Why does that not get mentioned more than the Orient game?

It does though.

[KRBFC]

It does though.

It really doesn't, the Orient game is chosen from the history of BFC by fans to bleat the line "look at where we came from". If they chose the div 1 title win as a "look at where we came from" it wouldn't fit quite as well with the little old Burnley thing.

[NottsClaret]

If they chose the div 1 title win as a "look at where we came from" it wouldn't fit quite as well with the little old Burnley thing.

Wouldn't be much of a story either, we've only dropped 13 places in 57 years.

[KRBFC]

Wouldn't be much of a story either, we've only dropped 13 places in 57 years.

Little old Burnley gone backwards

[cricketfieldclarets]

It really doesn't, the Orient game is chosen from the history of BFC by fans to bleat the line "look at where we came from". If they chose the div 1 title win as a "look at where we came from" it wouldn't fit quite as well with the little old Burnley thing.

Well I guess it depends who you speak to and where. I have pictures and memorabilia from both and the 1914 cup final and I didnt go to any.

Its possible to reflect on both aspects of the spectrum.

Orient is probably mentioned as much because it is more recent, many people on here will have been at that game and its recent history.

Far more people wont have even been born for the last league win never mind at the games.

[SussexDon1inIreland]

I was at the away match in 2009 vs Spurs and we got tanked 5-0 it was pathetic. Could have been 8 or 9 -0

Never had that feeling this season.

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[KRBFC]

I was at the away match in 2009 vs Spurs and we got tanked 5-0 it was pathetic. Could have been 8 or 9 -0

Never had that feeling this season.

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Really? Didn't Southampton have over 40 efforts on goal against us? I enjoyed the City away game that season personally. You are comparing both sides when its not even a contest, this side has had 20x the investment that the 09 side had. On investment and worth of the players alone you expect this side to handle itself way better at PL level.

[Hipper]

It really doesn't, the Orient game is chosen from the history of BFC by fans to bleat the line "look at where we came from". If they chose the div 1 title win as a "look at where we came from" it wouldn't fit quite as well with the little old Burnley thing.

It's better to compare the Orient game to our current position because it's more relevant to the finances of today's football, certainly compared to 1960 (or 1921 if you prefer).

I reckon your problem is patience.

Dyche seems to know what works with this bunch of players and so employs that. Why change if it achieves our objectives this season - survival.

I also think their may be a perception issue. If we have the ball we feel in control. Conversely therefore, if we do not have procession we feel not in control. Perhaps it's a case of getting used to that.

I don't doubt that if we do survive he will improve the squad, hopefully with players that are more comfortable with the ball.

The 'bottom line' is attendances. If we stay in the Premier League for a few seasons, expectations will be increased and failure to achieve those (which I suspect is almost certain) will lead to lower crowds, as it did at our friends down the road.

On Laws, I wonder how much the departure of the complete management team (coaches and all) had a negative effect that any manager except some Allardyce type would find it hard to cope.

[cricketfieldclarets]

Really? Didn't Southampton have over 40 efforts on goal against us? I enjoyed the City away game that season personally. You are comparing both sides when its not even a contest, this side has had 20x the investment that the 09 side had. On investment and worth of the players alone you expect this side to handle itself way better at PL level.

But so has the rest of the league and football in general.

Sky paid over 5bn for the current contract - 70% higher than the last one. Which was itself almost double the one from 2009.

You arent comparing apples with apples

[evensteadiereddie]

FroM KBRFC

"Really? Didn't Southampton have over 40 efforts on goal against us? I enjoyed the City away game that season personally. You are comparing both sides when its not even a contest, this side has had 20x the investment that the 09 side had. On investment and worth of the players alone you expect this side to handle itself way better at PL level."

If our side has had 20x the investment the 09 side had, you can bet your boots the other 19 Prem sides have too so, no, you can't expect "this side to handle itself way better." We have 39 points for God's sake with a distinct possibility of more. That really isn't good enough for you ?
I'm astonished.

[KRBFC]

FroM KBRFC

"Really? Didn't Southampton have over 40 efforts on goal against us? I enjoyed the City away game that season personally. You are comparing both sides when its not even a contest, this side has had 20x the investment that the 09 side had. On investment and worth of the players alone you expect this side to handle itself way better at PL level."

If our side has had 20x the investment the 09 side had, you can bet your boots the other 19 Prem sides have too so, no, you can't expect "this side to handle itself way better." We have 39 points for God's sake with a distinct possibility of more. That really isn't good enough for you ?
I'm astonished.

Not good enough for me? I think you took my post out of context.
I meant this side should handle itself way better in comparison to the side of 09.

[evensteadiereddie]

It has so where's the problem ?

[KRBFC]

It has so where's the problem ?

Wait, I said there's a problem? It was a simple statement I made in response to someone comparing the 09 side with the current crop.

[evensteadiereddie]

I dunno, mate, I'm perfectly happy with the way this season's gone.