Karanka being linked with Sunderland

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Tue May 02, 2017 11:38 am

Over in the Spanish tabloids, apparently.

sox8595 · Post by **sox8595** » Tue May 02, 2017 11:40 am

Why would anybody want an abject failure to replace another abject failure?

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue May 02, 2017 11:43 am

Middlesborough - look at us mess this up!

Sunderland - here, hold my beer

jlup1980 · Post by **jlup1980** » Tue May 02, 2017 12:22 pm

The guy could barely hack it at Boro and that was with millions and millions of pounds backing him. I'd love to see him fail at Sunderland because he certainly wouldn't be able to cope with them!

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Tue May 02, 2017 12:33 pm

Sunderland have clearly looked at Blackburn appointing Coyle and decided on the strength of that, that appointing a man who isn't popular at a local rival must be the way forward!

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Tue May 02, 2017 12:36 pm

Karanka wouldn't go there. He needs expensive players to create a 'team', he ain't getting that from Sunderland. Paper rubbish.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Tue May 02, 2017 1:07 pm

He did well at Middlesbrough regardless of what idiots say on here, shown he can organise a team and make them hard to beat in the league below. He would actually be the perfect Dyche style replacement because they both play the same way. The problem is he cant keep his gob shut and comes across as a knob. To be clear, I wouldn't want him here, I just pointed out him and Dyche are very similar.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Tue May 02, 2017 1:09 pm

Sunderland require a transformation. I recommend Merlin.

Selby Claret · Post by **Selby Claret** » Tue May 02, 2017 1:14 pm

Garry Monk to Sunderland when Cellino loses his head that 7th is unacceptable and shows him the door - you've read it here first......!

IAmAClaret · Post by **IAmAClaret** » Tue May 02, 2017 1:17 pm

Can't see Cellino being happy giving 25% of each season ticket back to fans who bought them for the 2016/17 season.

And he will probably take his frustration out on the best manager he has appointed so far, as that is the Cellino way it seems!

But back on topic, Karanka should not be mentioned in the same breath as Dyche. Whoever thinks the two are similar should probably be seeking help.

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Tue May 02, 2017 1:22 pm

[quote="KRBFC" The problem is he cant keep his gob shut and comes across as a knob.[/quote]

Now who does this probably remind a lot of people of?

claretdom · Post by **claretdom** » Tue May 02, 2017 1:23 pm

Leisure wrote:[quote="KRBFC" The problem is he cant keep his gob shut and comes across as a knob.

Now who does this probably remind a lot of people of?

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Anymore clues ?

Juan Tanamera · Post by **Juan Tanamera** » Tue May 02, 2017 1:24 pm

KRBFC wrote:He did well at Middlesbrough regardless of what idiots say on here, shown he can organise a team and make them hard to beat in the league below. He would actually be the perfect Dyche style replacement because they both play the same way. The problem is he cant keep his gob shut and comes across as a knob. To be clear, I wouldn't want him here, I just pointed out him and Dyche are very similar.

I don't think any of the idiots (your word, not mine) on here have denied he did a good job in getting Boro promoted.
I'd say most comments were about him being an incomplete toolkit.
Karanka by name and nature.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Tue May 02, 2017 1:25 pm

Leisure wrote:[quote="KRBFC" The problem is he cant keep his gob shut and comes across as a knob.

Now who does this probably remind a lot of people of?

[/quote]
Erm........

minnieclaret · Post by **minnieclaret** » Tue May 02, 2017 1:29 pm

We've never seen SD throw his dummy out of the pram.
Still he can always sign Bamford.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Tue May 02, 2017 1:31 pm

I don't think even Sunderland would appoint him - better sticking with Moyes.

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Tue May 02, 2017 1:53 pm

Definately better off with Moyes, most fans realise he is a good manager.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Tue May 02, 2017 2:11 pm

please be true,we need a comedy gold character like him around!

KefkaClaret · Post by **KefkaClaret** » Tue May 02, 2017 2:15 pm

Karanka is a much better manager than Moyes. Moyes career has been a train wreck since he left Everton. He needs to spend some time away from management.

beddie · Post by **beddie** » Tue May 02, 2017 2:21 pm

Selby Claret. I think Gary Monk will and can do a lot better than Sunderland.

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Tue May 02, 2017 3:06 pm

What's this lovefest with Gary Monk?
An average job done at Leeds with some very talented youngsters .Anyone who gets Mackems job needs to return to using local talent who are proud to wear the short not signing a bunch of fading stars .
Kevin Ball who be a good fit as he could instill pride back in the team.
Unfortunately, you have to invest money to get out of the Championship and as Derby and Villa have found that still doesn't guarantee any success.Short wants out and untill this happens Sunderland are in dire stairs.

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Tue May 02, 2017 3:14 pm

KefkaClaret wrote:Karanka is a much better manager than Moyes. Moyes career has been a train wreck since he left Everton. He needs to spend some time away from management.

no it hasn't, hounded out by by media at united, bearing in mind fergie recommended him, so he was highly thought of.
neither of the appointments post moyes have hardly been a success.
the spanish campaign just didnt work out, sometimes these things happen.
certainly sunderland was a brave step, but what a shambolic state the entire club is, hardly his fault. i like the bloke.

CnBtruntru · Post by **CnBtruntru** » Tue May 02, 2017 3:27 pm

This would be like a head on collision, neither a good fit for the other, Sunderland are going to have to strip away all there dead wood and try to get some young or youngish talent who want to play football, not take £50,000 a week and laugh all the way to the bank, if they can hang onto their goalkeeper that would be an excellent start but I would expect a lot of big clubs will come a knocking and the money with their debt and wage bill will be to tempting.

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Tue May 02, 2017 3:32 pm

Talking of Sunderland. I wonder if we might have a look at signing Duncan Watmore if he rehabilitates from his knee injury. Read he had a slight setback when he returned to light training though.

claret3561 · Post by **claret3561** » Tue May 02, 2017 3:51 pm

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Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Tue May 02, 2017 3:54 pm

KefkaClaret wrote:Karanka is a much better manager than Moyes. Moyes career has been a train wreck since he left Everton. He needs to spend some time away from management.

Fergie left UTD in need of major surgery.
The fans and media didn't have the patience for that and the fact that LVG and Jose have spent over £400 million easily and still aren't challenging for the title says a lot.

Not sure why he went to Spain, but at least he tried.

Sunderland have been a relegation waiting to happen and need long term work doing not short term fixes.

RalphCoatesComb · Post by **RalphCoatesComb** » Tue May 02, 2017 3:59 pm

Sunderland appoint previous Borough boss? That'll be as popular as a turd in the bath

Alanstevensonsgloves · Post by **Alanstevensonsgloves** » Tue May 02, 2017 4:12 pm

Sidney1st wrote:Fergie left UTD in need of major surgery.

Yep, they were Champions of the league by 11 clear points in his last season. And since then following 'major surgery' they have greatly improved on this by er, errr.......

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Tue May 02, 2017 4:16 pm

Alanstevensonsgloves wrote:Yep, they were Champions of the league by 11 clear points in his last season. And since then following 'major surgery' they have greatly improved on this by er, errr.......

You're discounting the key factor in that title - the driving force of Fergie, his knowledge, tactical knowhow, experience etc.

No one else was going to get that last title.

LVG and Jose haven't managed to get there yet.

Shore claret · Post by **Shore claret** » Tue May 02, 2017 10:47 pm

I think Mr Coyle will be eyeing up both the Middlesbrough and Sunderland jobs.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Tue May 02, 2017 10:50 pm

Shore claret wrote:I think Mr Coyle will be eyeing up both the Middlesbrough and Sunderland jobs.

Both of them? That'll make for an interesting derby match ...

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Wed May 03, 2017 1:36 am

Sidney1st wrote:You're discounting the key factor in that title - the driving force of Fergie, his knowledge, tactical knowhow, experience etc.

No one else was going to get that last title.

LVG and Jose haven't managed to get there yet.

and Mancini was upsetting everyone at City !

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Wed May 03, 2017 8:11 am

Wile E Coyote wrote:Definately better off with Moyes, most fans realise he is a good manager.

It what way is Moyes a good manager ?

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed May 03, 2017 9:15 am

joey13 wrote:It what way is Moyes a good manager ?

If you've got to ask that question then you probably don't pay enough attention to the world of football.

He did a good job at Everton for the 10 yrs or so he was there.
He wasn't a spectacular manager, but only twice in his tenure did they finish outside the top 10 and the rest of the time they finished 8th or higher.
That's not achieveable if you're a crap manager.

Utd was always going to be a tough gig, following Fergie was mission impossible and the fact that UTD are still having issues just shows how much work is still to be done.

Moyes is going to quit this week according to the media and he probably needs to step away from management for a while and recharge his batteries.
He will find another job again, because he is a good manager.

jlup1980 · Post by **jlup1980** » Wed May 03, 2017 9:38 am

I don't see any similarity between Karanka and Dyche.

Dyche got us automatic promotion twice since 2012. The first time was on a genuine shoestring budget and the second was bankrolled by player sales. He built a team around togetherness and had total backing from his players.

Karanka achieved automatic promotion once in his tenure which started almost exactly 12 months after Sean's. On his way to promotion he spent a small fortune on players - fee's and wages. He had hissy fits, walked away from the club, had a pop at players and fans and came across as an arrogant t0ss3r. He gave up on the players who got him promoted and signed virtually a new team last summer - again spending vast sums on wages in particular.

How are they similar?!

Shore claret · Post by **Shore claret** » Wed May 03, 2017 10:35 pm

dsr wrote:Both of them? That'll make for an interesting derby match ...

He's that good.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Wed May 03, 2017 10:44 pm

jlup1980 wrote:I don't see any similarity between Karanka and Dyche.

Dyche got us automatic promotion twice since 2012. The first time was on a genuine shoestring budget and the second was bankrolled by player sales. He built a team around togetherness and had total backing from his players.

Karanka achieved automatic promotion once in his tenure which started almost exactly 12 months after Sean's. On his way to promotion he spent a small fortune on players - fee's and wages. He had hissy fits, walked away from the club, had a pop at players and fans and came across as an arrogant t0ss3r. He gave up on the players who got him promoted and signed virtually a new team last summer - again spending vast sums on wages in particular.

How are they similar?!

I explained that already, the style which they play is similar. They focus on defence first and both set up their team with a solid base. We spent a fortune last season, nothing wrong with it, we had the money to do so. Its well known Gibson dumped aload of players he didnt want on him, Rhodes a prime example. Did we not spend a fortune in the summer? Ok we didnt pay Negredo £100k a week but even then they basically spent £4M to have Negredo on loan for the season which isn't a bad idea. You can dress it up like Karanka spent a fortune in both seasons in comparison to Dyche but its simply not true. Not that it matters who spent what but some of our fans like to pretend we are working on a shoestring compared to other teams which is completely false.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu May 04, 2017 9:21 am

Whilst we don't work on a shoestring, you only need to look at Boro's wage bill to know they wasted more money then we did on players.

jtv · Post by **jtv** » Thu May 04, 2017 10:18 am

KRBFC wrote:.......... some of our fans like to pretend we are working on a shoestring compared to other teams which is completely false.

We no longer work on a shoestring because we can now afford not to, however we are still (quite rightly) very careful with our money. But does anyone deny that the 2013/14 promotion WAS achieved on a shoestring? Hell we had to sell off Charlie Austin a couple of days before the season kicked off to balance the books!!!!!

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Thu May 04, 2017 12:11 pm

jtv wrote:We no longer work on a shoestring because we can now afford not to, however we are still (quite rightly) very careful with our money. But does anyone deny that the 2013/14 promotion WAS achieved on a shoestring? Hell we had to sell off Charlie Austin a couple of days before the season kicked off to balance the books!!!!!

Yup we have earnt the right to splash the cash abit, nothing at all wrong with it but lets not pretend we work on a shoestring. Yeah the 13/14 season was kinda a shoestring, although one or two players cost over a million. We rejected a bid for Ings too from Howe I believe, Eddie knew that season was Ings' time, its a good job we rejected it.

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Thu May 04, 2017 12:13 pm

Sidney1st wrote:If you've got to ask that question then you probably don't pay enough attention to the world of football.

He did a good job at Everton for the 10 yrs or so he was there.
He wasn't a spectacular manager, but only twice in his tenure did they finish outside the top 10 and the rest of the time they finished 8th or higher.
That's not achieveable if you're a crap manager.

Utd was always going to be a tough gig, following Fergie was mission impossible and the fact that UTD are still having issues just shows how much work is still to be done.

Moyes is going to quit this week according to the media and he probably needs to step away from management for a while and recharge his batteries.
He will find another job again, because he is a good manager.

Remind me which trophies has he won ?

beddie · Post by **beddie** » Thu May 04, 2017 12:22 pm

I think with Boro its more about the amount they've been paying in wages, a prime example is Downing.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Thu May 04, 2017 1:23 pm

beddie wrote:I think with Boro its more about the amount they've been paying in wages, a prime example is Downing.

But when you don't pay a transfer the wages take care of themselves kind of. Negredo on loan for a season, cost £4M at £100k p/w. £4M is nothing at PL level but £100k p/w sounds like a fortune. It depends which way you dress it up, if you want to say "Boro spent loads on wages they pay Negredo £100k p/w" the counter to that is they paid no transfer fee and aren't stuck with him if they are relegated.

claretdom · Post by **claretdom** » Thu May 04, 2017 1:28 pm

When you keep going on about no transfer fee, I take it you have no idea they had to pay a fee to loan him for the season rather than keep leaving it out to big up other clubs lack of spending compared to ours ?

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Thu May 04, 2017 2:31 pm

claretdom wrote:When you keep going on about no transfer fee, I take it you have no idea they had to pay a fee to loan him for the season rather than keep leaving it out to big up other clubs lack of spending compared to ours ?

No idea where my post went but surely you don't need me to explain that a loan fee isn't a transfer fee, I thought that was pretty ******* obvious. In the future I will reconsider my approach to posting what I believe is common sense and be a bit more understanding that not everyone has common sense.

claretdom · Post by **claretdom** » Thu May 04, 2017 2:36 pm

Just checking, what with your non stop drivel that you knew. Common sense and your posts are 2 things I never put together.

Still though good to know if a team paid 5 loan fees of £2 million per player that £10 million doesn't count in transfer business.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Thu May 04, 2017 2:46 pm

claretdom wrote:Just checking, what with your non stop drivel that you knew. Common sense and your posts are 2 things I never put together.

Still though good to know if a team paid 5 loan fees of £2 million per player that £10 million doesn't count in transfer business.

Are you banging on about something I never said again? surprise. Keep arguing with yourself numpty.
You are trying to argue against something I never said, thick as pig sh*t.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu May 04, 2017 2:54 pm

joey13 wrote:Remind me which trophies has he won ?

There are plenty of manager out there who could be considered good despite not having any trophies to their name as a manager.

It's rare nowadays when a club outside the usual top few win the domestic stuff.
Leicester was a one off for that title, Blackburn before them and the rest of the time its gone to 4 other clubs since 1992.

Same with the cups, there's the odd win for someone like Brum, Portsmouth or Wigan, but its normally the same clubs who take those home.

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Thu May 04, 2017 8:43 pm

Sidney1st wrote:There are plenty of manager out there who could be considered good despite not having any trophies to their name as a manager.

It's rare nowadays when a club outside the usual top few win the domestic stuff.
Leicester was a one off for that title, Blackburn before them and the rest of the time its gone to 4 other clubs since 1992.

Same with the cups, there's the odd win for someone like Brum, Portsmouth or Wigan, but its normally the same clubs who take those home.

So he managed one of the same clubs who "take those home" ,failed !
Spain failed !
Relegated Sunderland!
I can see how you would come to the conclusion he is a good manager.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu May 04, 2017 11:02 pm

No you can't see it because you're not really interested in why some people think he's a good manager, or he can be good again.

Open your eyes a little and think about it.

The next two managers at UTD have spent more and done very little more then he did

Sunderland - always on a hiding to nothing, they've been in need of major surgery for a few years now but they've been going for short term fixes instead.
Doesn't help their owner just wants to sell them now.

Spain - I don't know much about what happened over there.