Carragher and nev on Keane

[claretdom]

I would be quite sure in saying there is nobody in this world that needs someone like you to defend them.

Still if it helps with your delusional online persona and how you think people see you cheers for defending me, I feel a lot safer knowing someone as brave as you had my back.

[aggi]

You don't spawn Champions Leagues.

I'm no Liverpool fan - quite the opposite - and I agree about Carragher's tendency to dive in. But you don't spawn a Champions League.

Well, Djimi Traore ...

[summitclaret]

I understand the point the pundits are making, but you have to be able to see that MK has the potential to be what top 4 clubs need and United (not a top 4 club). I am sure that MK is already a better cb than anyone at Liverpool and all at MU other than Bailly. There is also has more to come imo.

What makes him stand out is his pace and ability on the ball/distribution. Also his coolness and ability to avoid bookings. The latter is sensational.

Neville and Carra and just trying to get him cheap for their pet clubs.

[RocketLawnChair]

Probably because they were missing a defensive midfielder on the night.

Keane would miss the protection from our midfield if we didn't have adequate cover.

Which is virtually what I said in post 23 !

[Corky]

Keane is nowhere near good enough for Liverpool or Manchester Utd. or any other top 6/8 team in the Prem. Best thing he can hope for is being offered a new 4 year contract at Burnley which I hope he signs.

[Sidney1st]

Bait cast

[BigChaCha]

Isn't Keane playing out of position?
I'm sure I read he was a left sided CD when he first come. If so imagine how good he'd be in his natural position

I don't think Carragher or Neville have said anything too outlandish and I think it would take a little time for Keane to settle down at somewhere like Liverpool. We do make players look better than they are because of our system, structure and organisation.

On the point about Carragher or Neville's playing ability that has been mentioned. I'm not sure what relation it has to having an opinion on football matters but they where both decent players. Carragher was a good solid premiership player but was nowhere near international class. Neville though was the best right back I've ever seen in the 30 odd years I have watched England. Part of that is because we haven't produced many decent fullbacks but he was still a very good player.

[KRBFC]

I understand the point the pundits are making, but you have to be able to see that MK has the potential to be what top 4 clubs need and United (not a top 4 club). I am sure that MK is already a better cb than anyone at Liverpool and all at MU other than Bailly. There is also has more to come imo.

What makes him stand out is his pace and ability on the ball/distribution. Also his coolness and ability to avoid bookings. The latter is sensational.

Neville and Carra and just trying to get him cheap for their pet clubs.

You said potential, which is different to be proven. People on here don't understand that different systems suit different players and can make players stand out.

[dpinsussex]

What? When did I say that? I'm not sure how I'm supposed to introduce myself. Do I turn up at the turf with a sign above my head with my username on?

I might take a placcard to bournmouth claiming to be krbfc and see what response i get

[happyclaret17]

I think they both made good points and that Lukaku goal showed a little inexperience for someone with his likely price tag...he tried to get too tight and should have been at least a yard off someone as strong and quick as lukaku....but Keane will know that and will have learned from it...he is such an unassuming lad he will just keep learning and adapting...whoever gets him wont be disappointed, thats for sure.

[claretdom]

Being at a game (certainly an away game) nobody would believe you.

[KRBFC]

I might take a placcard to bournmouth claiming to be krbfc and see what response i get

You will be hounded for autographs and photos by screaming fans like BoT, CooperClaret, Eddie and ClaretDom.

[dpinsussex]

Being at a game (certainly an away game) nobody would believe you.

Especially one of the furthest away games

[claretdom]

Especially one of the furthest away games

You are being kind, think he is only allowed out til 5pm

[KRBFC]

Especially one of the furthest away games

The last away game I attended was Watford in Dyches first promotion season. I actually travelled with Pete from Accy Clarets and his daughter I think it was. I gave up away games when the atmosphere vanished.

[Sidney1st]

I might take a placcard to bournmouth claiming to be krbfc and see what response i get

You will be hounded for autographs and photos by screaming fans like BoT, CooperClaret, Eddie and ClaretDom.

Or they'll throw rotten fruit and veg at you after they find some stocks to put you in.

50/50 really.

[Sidney1st]

The last away game I attended was Watford in Dyches first promotion season. I actually travelled with Pete from Accy Clarets and his daughter I think it was. I gave up away games when the atmosphere vanished.

I'm trying to work out if you're joking or not.....

Considering all the whining you've done about our away games this season I assumed you'd attended a large % of them.

[boyyanno]

I do think Keane is a fantastic player, and I'm sure he will cement an England place. That being said, there's an argument to be made that in our system Jason Shackell also looked like a very very good defender. He's since gone on to not pull any trees up at Derby. Keane is obviously better than Shackell, but I think our system does flatter our defenders and make them look better than they are.

[bfc1984]

I hate it how pundits belittle players who play for small clubs! Yet stones is way overrated and I would say there is not much in the pair of them! He has to be worth the money although no footballer should be worth that I hate all this money in our game it's ridiculous.I think if he leaves and makes s couple of mistakes he may end up benched and it will ruin his confidence.From a footballing point of you he is best here.But financially it is a short career and if he can more than double his wages then of course money talks,we would all leave our jobs for big money.

[NRC]

Fair points about our system but then look beyond it and (for example) to set plays. Any of you see how Llorrente utterly dominated England's CH Jagielka to score for Swansea at the weekend? Jagielka was even in front of him facing the ball. Keane would never have allowed that

[boyyanno]

Jageilka is not a top defender, at least not anymore.

[Guich]

Keano's a very good great player with excellent pace but I've though all along Ben Mee makes him look good.

I'd rather we sold Keane for £30m and kept Ben, than sold Ben for half that and kept Keane.

[lucs86]

What they've said is fair, the way we play gives our CBs far more protection than they'd get playing in more expansive sides. Look how exposed Man City's CBs are and how crap it makes their £30M+ CBs look. City are the extreme but Liverpool aren't far behind, Man Utd to a lesser extent still.

Keane looked comfortable enough in his England appearances to suggest he'd be be OK with the step up (albeit in a back 3) and he's shown the league he's got pace, good distribution, good tackling and time on his side. For any side at the top end of our league he's shown he's very good and at least worth a punt at £25M, would he be the answer to Liverpool's defensive problems (which is what Carragher's basically asking himself), you can't really tell, this season doesn't give them that much evidence.

[KefkaClaret]

If you want to see how Keane would play when the fullbacks aren't tucked in should just watch the Leicester match again. Extremely stretched game and he dealt with Vardy with absolute ease. He's better than all of Liverpool's centre-backs.

[KRBFC]

If you want to see how Keane would play when the fullbacks aren't tucked in should just watch the Leicester match again. Extremely stretched game and he dealt with Vardy with absolute ease. He's better than all of Liverpool's centre-backs.

Stretched game? Vardy was the most isolated striker to visit Turf Moor this season. The times we get stretched we tend to ship goals for fun.

[KRBFC]

Fair points about our system but then look beyond it and (for example) to set plays. Any of you see how Llorrente utterly dominated England's CH Jagielka to score for Swansea at the weekend? Jagielka was even in front of him facing the ball. Keane would never have allowed that

I think Keanes positioning is his biggest downfall, he doesn't anticipate crosses very well. The first goal at Watford an example of that, gets caught under the ball quite often. It will come with experience im sure.

[Bordeauxclaret]

A lot of people getting upset with people overrating Keane.
A lot of people getting upset with people underating Keane.

[Let'sChaseTheDragon]

Twenty times the player?

So he's going to win 20 Champions League medals? Get 760 England caps? Play in 40 international tournaments for England?

I think you may have gone a tad, just a tad, over the top.

Looking at what they say without claret tinted glasses, I can't see an issue with it. Our full backs do get tight, he does get a lot of protection, we don't really know how he'll defend when he has to go one-on-one with top strikers. It's all valid comment.

Agree with you, Socrates. JC and GN are talking sense. Keane is class- but there's no doubt in my mind that any center-back playing under Dyche is made to look better at Burnley than what they might at other clubs- due to our organization, style of play and protection. Just looks at how Duff's career was prolonged under Sir Sean. I remember the days when a Burnley centre back would be exposed 3 times a game by a nippy fecker like Andrew Johnson- and made to look poor. Never under Dyche. Felt more comfortable watching Duff under Dyche than for any other period in his career- and it was because of how we were set up as much as Duff improving his game.

[JohnMac]

As assured as he was playing for England, he isn't Bobby Moore and the Lakaku comment was fair.
There were a couple of other occasions early season where goals were conceded after he didn't track players or was easily beaten to the ball. They do seem to have been overlooked since his 3 Lions debut though.
He is very good for us and that's what counts, as for his future, who knows but definitely £25m as a starting point.

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[minnieclaret]

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just read this article on it and not a lot wrong from what I read.
Carra says he's as good as Lovren and Matip but argues that for £25m you should expect better. He's correct.

[Stan Tastic]

Wait a minute, are we supposed to listen to two former England internationals' opinions before some blokes on a Burnley website?

[Bordeauxclaret]

Wait a minute, are we supposed to listen to two former England internationals' opinions before some blokes on a Burnley website?

To be fair I wouldn't base it on being an England international. One of our best international players once thought Michael Williams was good enough for Burnley.