Defour

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Fri May 12, 2017 8:46 am

If he goes to Hull will be be part of their promotion side next season?

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri May 12, 2017 8:50 am

We all know Defour is a class player.
We all know he's got some fitness issues.

If he/we had any sense at all he'd be off to see specialists this summer to get it all fixed and get him ready for a proper pre-season and a crack at moving up the table next season.

If the story is true in Belgium then I'd send him on his way and I'm one of his biggest fans.

Has anyone checked to see if the author of the article is abc?

IAmAClaret · Post by **IAmAClaret** » Fri May 12, 2017 8:52 am

These things happen, I know if my family wanted to move somewhere else I wouldn't be left behind, it's only a job at the end of the day.

Hopefully all parties can get it sorted quickly for the good of all!

Belgianclaret · Post by **Belgianclaret** » Fri May 12, 2017 10:32 am

Report is all hearsay, not from direct source & clearly rubbish to suggest he's requested the club to get rid of SD.

CT even seems to jump aboard, so I'd like to receive some direct and trustworthy information.

He's still under contract, trains with the group, but is not playing and sadly has not been playing enough. Won't be a happy bunny of course, but to suggest more than that is just plain ridiculous.
Taken into account his limited playing opportunities, he could of course leave. I for one would find that a shame, but as long as we look for more players of his ilk I could live with that.

Young_Claret_91 · Post by **Young_Claret_91** » Fri May 12, 2017 10:39 am

Good riddance I say!

Yes he may be skillful and capable of moments of magic, but clearly hasn't bonded with the team since day one.

A talented misfit that appears to be now working with his agent to somehow manipulate the club into making some sort of change in his favour.

Not going to work. Get rid and make some money back to invest in a real Burnley player for next season.

CnBtruntru · Post by **CnBtruntru** » Fri May 12, 2017 11:03 am

I do not know the stats but has he actually played two full 90 minute games alls season, maybe his missus should get him off the fags

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Fri May 12, 2017 11:03 am

Winstonswhite wrote:"Someone who has become one of our all time greats"

Are you taking the p!ss?

Not if he's talking about SD.

vinrogue · Post by **vinrogue** » Fri May 12, 2017 11:06 am

So he isn't starting every week, here are a few names to add to that list for this season, Fabregas, Brady, Walcott, Westwood, Mata and Defour. Only eleven can start and not even super stars get picked blindly every week. Ward and Lowton both had to bide their time when Mee and Darikwa were starters, if Defour is above being a team player then cash in, I personally would love him to stay and become a regular starter but sadly if all this guff is true it will not happen.

karatekid · Post by **karatekid** » Fri May 12, 2017 11:11 am

How come so many people seem to know what his wife is thinking? I must have missed that interview.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Fri May 12, 2017 11:15 am

CnBtruntru wrote:I do not know the stats but has he actually played two full 90 minute games alls season, maybe his missus should get him off the fags

Interestingly, he played the full 90 against Sunderland in the cup, twice. Not sure there's any evidence of a fitness issue here.

Cleveleys_claret · Post by **Cleveleys_claret** » Fri May 12, 2017 11:18 am

Belgianclaret wrote:Report is all hearsay, not from direct source & clearly rubbish to suggest he's requested the club to get rid of SD.

CT even seems to jump aboard, so I'd like to receive some direct and trustworthy information.

He's still under contract, trains with the group, but is not playing and sadly has not been playing enough. Won't be a happy bunny of course, but to suggest more than that is just plain ridiculous.
Taken into account his limited playing opportunities, he could of course leave. I for one would find that a shame, but as long as we look for more players of his ilk I could live with that.

Get over yourself. Just because you like to think you were a key member in his availability/signing. People do talk from within the club. Just because it isnt pulicised doesnt mean it is not true. I think that he cant even get off the bench and Dyches statement a month ago about how Defour may never get up to pace are signals that he is not wanted. I know he only signed a 3 year contract but that he is still in a hotel (Last I heard) tells you all you need to know.

Cleveleys_claret · Post by **Cleveleys_claret** » Fri May 12, 2017 11:21 am

boatshed bill wrote:Interestingly, he played the full 90 against Sunderland in the cup, twice. Not sure there's any evidence of a fitness issue here.

My gran could do 90 mins against Sunderland

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri May 12, 2017 11:24 am

Get over yourself

No offense Cleveleys, but you repeat every single rumour you hear and try to peddle it off as fact.

I'd be ****** off if I wasn't playing when I'm clearly the best footballer at the club, and though I'm sure Defour knows he'd have to work extremely hard to get into the team and that his history suggests he's a team player, he's going to have to leave to get regular first team football.

He just doesn't fit into a 4-4-2, and we make it work brilliantly for us.

A real shame, but these things do happen.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Fri May 12, 2017 11:35 am

Cleveleys_claret wrote:My gran could do 90 mins against Sunderland

That I doubt, Cleveleys

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Fri May 12, 2017 11:35 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:
I'd be ****** off if I wasn't playing when I'm clearly the best footballer at the club, and though I'm sure Defour knows he'd have to work extremely hard to get into the team and that his history suggests he's a team player, he's going to have to leave to get regular first team football.

He just doesn't fit into a 4-4-2, and we make it work brilliantly for us.

A real shame, but these things do happen.

That's about right.IMHO.

Cleveleys_claret · Post by **Cleveleys_claret** » Fri May 12, 2017 11:48 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:No offense Cleveleys, but you repeat every single rumour you hear and try to peddle it off as fact.

I'd be ****** off if I wasn't playing when I'm clearly the best footballer at the club, and though I'm sure Defour knows he'd have to work extremely hard to get into the team and that his history suggests he's a team player, he's going to have to leave to get regular first team football.

He just doesn't fit into a 4-4-2, and we make it work brilliantly for us.

A real shame, but these things do happen.

So the best player at our club cant fit into a simple 4-4-2 team?

As for a team player:

First club Genk: Defour tried to force a transfer by threatening to leave, using a Belgian law that allowed professional athletes on fixed-term contracts to leave their employers before the end of the stipulated term, but Ajax did not express a renewed interest in his services and he ended up signing for Standard Liège for a much-reduced transfer fee, effectively breaking a gentlemen's agreement between Belgian sides not to sign under-contract players using the aforementioned law.

When choosing to sign for Anderlecht he crossed the divide if you will. I know lots of players do and nothing wrong with it but it shows his single mindedness. He has done nothing to prove himself a team player in my eyes other than play out of position and signal to be subbed

Giftonsnoidea · Post by **Giftonsnoidea** » Fri May 12, 2017 11:52 am

It would probably be wise to wait for an official announcement before jumping to any conclusions regarding one of our best midfielders.

I hope there is a way he can play more next season if he is still here..........

Cleveleys_claret · Post by **Cleveleys_claret** » Fri May 12, 2017 11:56 am

He is not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy

Cleveleys_claret · Post by **Cleveleys_claret** » Fri May 12, 2017 11:57 am

I would love to be wrong and see him after a Dyche preseason. He could really be a legend if that was to happen.

Right_winger · Post by **Right_winger** » Fri May 12, 2017 12:11 pm

He's not a Dyche type player it's as simple as that. Defour would have to adapt to become a clogger, run around a lot, defend and stick rigidly within a shape and play hoof balls to fit in the side.

Cleveleys_claret · Post by **Cleveleys_claret** » Fri May 12, 2017 12:32 pm

Havent seen Westwood or Hendrick hoof it in the last 2 games.

Belgianclaret · Post by **Belgianclaret** » Fri May 12, 2017 12:36 pm

Cleveleys_claret wrote:Get over yourself. Just because you like to think you were a key member in his availability/signing. People do talk from within the club. Just because it isnt pulicised doesnt mean it is not true. I think that he cant even get off the bench and Dyches statement a month ago about how Defour may never get up to pace are signals that he is not wanted. I know he only signed a 3 year contract but that he is still in a hotel (Last I heard) tells you all you need to know.

Can you read properly? I don't think so...

claretdom · Post by **claretdom** » Fri May 12, 2017 12:40 pm

Cleveleys_claret wrote:Havent seen Westwood or Hendrick hoof it in the last 2 games.

Right winger has spent ages proving he sits in restricted view seats so take his posts with large doses of salt.

IndigoLake · Post by **IndigoLake** » Fri May 12, 2017 12:41 pm

I've seen a few references to Defour smoking - is this true? Is he a smoker?

Anyway, there's no smoke without fire (lol). There's definitely something not right. Whether that's down to a lack of fitness or because he's not getting on with Dyche (or both) I don't know.

As some people have suggested, I'd like him to get a pre-season with us under his belt and work hard to get into the side for the final year of his contract. But I won't mind if we sell. He's not getting chances with us for whatever reason and it may be that it's simply not going to work out.

He's a quality player and it's a real shame we haven't seen more of him. However I do get the impression that he thinks he's bigger than Burnley FC.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Fri May 12, 2017 12:49 pm

A choice between him or Dyche? Well that'd an easy one, Cya Sean.
Get Marco Silva in, he'll build us into a force with Defour playing an instrumental role. The kind of football we all want to see, deep down we all hate the Dyche hoofball, I just admit it.

NRC · Post by **NRC** » Fri May 12, 2017 1:00 pm

Anyone pondered there are three separate issues - his fitness mysteries, if true, potential home sickness of his missus that would certainly be disruptive (ask Eddie Howe), Dyche's unwillingness to play him, which may tie the two together or may be nothing to do with it.

And then we get an article with a nonsensical ultimatum, and lo and behold there's a line of volunteers to be part of the firing squad, typing guff, none of which can be proven to be fact-based.

So now we go from a collective empathetic position of "talent, but what's wrong" to "you're an idiot Steven"

Hapag Lloyd · Post by **Hapag Lloyd** » Fri May 12, 2017 1:01 pm

KRBFC wrote:A choice between him or Dyche? Well that'd an easy one, Cya Sean.
Get Marco Silva in, he'll build us into a force with Defour playing an instrumental role. The kind of football we all want to see, deep down we all hate the Dyche hoofball, I just admit it.

I don't know why you put yourself through the torture of watching a Dyche team when Hull is only 2 hours away.

IndigoLake · Post by **IndigoLake** » Fri May 12, 2017 1:02 pm

KRBFC wrote:A choice between him or Dyche? Well that'd an easy one, Cya Sean.
Get Marco Silva in, he'll build us into a force with Defour playing an instrumental role. The kind of football we all want to see, deep down we all hate the Dyche hoofball, I just admit it.

Serious question. Would you really choose Defour over Dyche? Or do you say that just to be controversial?

The reason I ask is obvious: Sean Dyche has got us promoted twice and is keeping us in the Premier League at the second time of asking. He's still a relatively young manager who is still learning. I believe our style of football will gradually change over time. It's a tough task getting a newly promoted team to stay up playing attractive football. Marco Silva may yet fail to keep Hull in the Premier League - why would you take such a gamble on him?

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Fri May 12, 2017 1:06 pm

Hapag Lloyd wrote:I don't know why you put yourself through the torture of watching a Dyche team when Hull is only 2 hours away.

I thought the answer was obvious

Hapag Lloyd · Post by **Hapag Lloyd** » Fri May 12, 2017 1:13 pm

KRBFC wrote:I thought the answer was obvious

You don't?

UpTheClaretsFCBK · Post by **UpTheClaretsFCBK** » Fri May 12, 2017 1:14 pm

It's time to hit Steven for four.

Sorry.

claretlegend · Post by **claretlegend** » Fri May 12, 2017 1:16 pm

KRBFC wrote:A choice between him or Dyche? Well that'd an easy one, Cya Sean.
Get Marco Silva in, he'll build us into a force with Defour playing an instrumental role. The kind of football we all want to see, deep down we all hate the Dyche hoofball, I just admit it.

We simply don't have enough quality players to play tikka takka football. Dyche uses the limited quality he has fantastically and cannot believe someone can still complain when he's kept us in the Premier League.

Cleveleys_claret · Post by **Cleveleys_claret** » Fri May 12, 2017 1:22 pm

KRBFC wrote:A choice between him or Dyche? Well that'd an easy one, Cya Sean.
Get Marco Silva in, he'll build us into a force with Defour playing an instrumental role. The kind of football we all want to see, deep down we all hate the Dyche hoofball, I just admit it.

I think once Dyche has players he truly trust's the shackles will come off. The football we played in our first promotion with Dyche was breathtaking at times. I think he knows his sides capabilities and with 2 or 3 marquee signings this summer we will see that free flowing football. Obviously not when up against top teams but he will have a squad that is capable of playing two ways efficiently.

Giftonsnoidea · Post by **Giftonsnoidea** » Fri May 12, 2017 1:25 pm

If we can manage to play all our football like Palace away next season I would be happy with that. The away matches earlier in the season were absolutely awful to watch, there is no denying that....

ClaretEngineer · Post by **ClaretEngineer** » Fri May 12, 2017 1:45 pm

Cleveleys_claret wrote:I think once Dyche has players he truly trust's the shackles will come off. The football we played in our first promotion with Dyche was breathtaking at times. I think he knows his sides capabilities and with 2 or 3 marquee signings this summer we will see that free flowing football. Obviously not when up against top teams but he will have a squad that is capable of playing two ways efficiently.

I think this is it. PL survival was foremost, however standard the football was at times.

Once we have the personnel, and they been here long enough, I think (and I hope) the quality of our game will improve.

NRC · Post by **NRC** » Fri May 12, 2017 2:44 pm

errr...... Defour is/was a marquee signing

Duffer_ · Post by **Duffer_** » Fri May 12, 2017 2:51 pm

He's like a better Jack Wilshere - natural ability but can't be trusted and likes a 'bine.

UTC!

CleggHall · Post by **CleggHall** » Fri May 12, 2017 2:57 pm

NRC wrote:errr...... Defour is/was a marquee signing

That was the inTENT!

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Fri May 12, 2017 2:58 pm

claretlegend wrote:We simply don't have enough quality players to play tikka takka football. Dyche uses the limited quality he has fantastically and cannot believe someone can still complain when he's kept us in the Premier League.

He does it to sound 'controversial' on here. It's actually quite sad the amount of time and effort he puts into it.

Cleveleys_claret · Post by **Cleveleys_claret** » Fri May 12, 2017 2:59 pm

NRC wrote:errr...... Defour is/was a marquee signing

He was yes. I think the biggest issue is/was squad roation. This season like all since Dyche has been in charge is the need to play the same team team where possible each week to stick to his framework. He shows this with his unwillingness at times to make subs. I don't doubt that Defour isn't fit but I don't think he has the required fitness to fit into that framework week in week out sometimes playing 3 matches in 8 days. I think to be picked, Dyche expects a player to be able to complete 90 mins under those conditions. Some sides would be able to pick a player for 60 mins, or every other game with the idea of they are a match winner so let's manage that player for the teams benefit as much as possible. By doing that with this team though it says we have one stand out player whilst the rest are water carriers a la Deschamps. We all know he is talented and many thought we would never see a player of his ilk in a Burnley shirt. I just think the timings wrong and if 2 or 3 seasons if not next the story may have been different.

The Enclosure · Post by **The Enclosure** » Fri May 12, 2017 3:07 pm

I do not think that there is a cat in hells chance that Defour will be here next season sadly. His body language almost from the first couple of months showed he was not happy to be at the club.These things happen and we all move on...A good footballer but just not a Dyche system type of player.

NRC · Post by **NRC** » Fri May 12, 2017 3:31 pm

The Enclosure wrote:I do not think that there is a cat in hells chance that Defour will be here next season sadly. His body language almost from the first couple of months showed he was not happy to be at the club.These things happen and we all move on...A good footballer but just not a Dyche system type of player.

then that gives impetus to the KRBFC's of this world to suggest, bizarrely enough, that Dyche is the problem because he's stuck in his own framework, which is unable to accommodate flair over persistent effort, and for that reason each season becomes like this one, and we don't move forward....(is what KRBFC would say)

boyyanno · Post by **boyyanno** » Fri May 12, 2017 5:27 pm

NRC wrote:then that gives impetus to the KRBFC's of this world to suggest, bizarrely enough, that Dyche is the problem because he's stuck in his own framework, which is unable to accommodate flair over persistent effort, and for that reason each season becomes like this one, and we don't move forward....(is what KRBFC would say)

Strange comment this. I think it's reasonable to suggest that without adapting the framework we will struggle to ever "improve" in the premier league. Next year will be a completely different challenge, teams will know we won't want to play with the ball again and therfore change how they play against us. It's unlikely we will replicate the home form so the away form will need sorting. If we ever want to become an established premier league club we will need to change or at least tweak the system. Incorporating more intelligent players that can use the ball better (even to play a killer ball) could make us far more effective.

It's job done this year for Dyche, but it won't be the same story next year for a lot of reasons. I underatand many don't agree with KRBFC on here, but it's more than fair to say that repeating our season will maybe just keep us up (as it has proved to this year), but will it keep us improving? Probably not, repeating the same formula will give us similar results, admittedly variables will change around us for good or worse. Thus just seems like a dig at KRBFC for no reason.

I can't help think that a lot of the problems on this board are caused because of age. Younger fans have seen Burnley in the premier league in what will be 4 seasons in the last ten years, 3 in the last four. They are bound to expect more compared to someone who has watched us slum it in the lower leagues. Both views are valid in my opinion, I just don't like all the petty stuff on this board.

Also just to clarify, I absolutley love Dyche, think he's the best thing since sliced bread, but we are very much a premier league team now thanks to him and as such I'd like to see us really push on and compete both tactically and physically, as well as technically. The saddest thing is that the critics get frustrated because they can see the potential we have here, if we can improve technically we could be a very good side.

I'm also not being critical of Dyche not playing Defour, as I said above its job done, but moving forwards it has to be the aim.

ewanrob · Post by **ewanrob** » Sat May 13, 2017 1:06 pm

Just read this, some decent posts. Maybe there is some mileage in him getting the pre-season in and see where he is at physically and mentally, if he still shows no great intent we still have a window of opportunity on moving him on. For me it's the missing the pre season that has found him out, it all seemed very rushed given he seemed to be going for the big bucks to Saudi or wherever it was.

Shore claret · Post by **Shore claret** » Sat May 13, 2017 1:15 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:We should be looking to upgrade our manager this summer anyway and get someone who can take us to the next level but will be an added bonus if it means we can keep our star player and finally see him used properly next season

Are we not getting enough attention?

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Sat May 13, 2017 1:20 pm

Shore claret wrote:Are we not getting enough attention?

Gotta love the uber fans who see it as negative to want our club to improve and progress. Thankfully our board have much more ambition than the likes of you

taio · Post by **taio** » Sat May 13, 2017 1:24 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:Gotta love the uber fans who see it as negative to want our club to improve and progress. Thankfully our board have much more ambition than the likes of you

That in no way correlates to changing the manager this summer.

Shore claret · Post by **Shore claret** » Sat May 13, 2017 1:27 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:Gotta love the uber fans who see it as negative to want our club to improve and progress. Thankfully our board have much more ambition than the likes of you

Go on then how will we improve by changing a manager who has improved us every season?
What manager would make us better? Which system would you use? Which players would you buy?

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Sat May 13, 2017 1:37 pm

I'd have faith in our board to make that judgement as they are the experts and after all they made the great decision to appoint Dyche.

I said we should be looking to upgrade our manager just like we should be looking to upgrade our squad. If the board cant find an improvement then we stick with what weve got but dont see whats wrong with keeping an open mind.

Everyone thought it was a travesty when Southampton ditched Adkins after all he achieved but replacing him with Pochettino looks a pretty smart move looking back now.

With an attitude like yours we'd probably still be d icking about in the lower leagues just happy we beat Orient on that fateful day in 87

taio · Post by **taio** » Sat May 13, 2017 1:41 pm

Thing is there is absolutely zero chance that the Board will be looking to replace Dyche - it would be absurd.