Next season,better attackers, better service or both ?
Next season,better attackers, better service or both ?
I think the defence will be ok and today was a blip, if you look at the forwards I wouldn't be over concerned if they formed the nucleus of our attack next season as Vokes and Gray have netted a reasonable amount from some very poor service Vokes today and Andre at Palace shows that they are competent at this level with the right ball. Do we change tactics next season and be more expressive outwide with new wide midfielders pushing Brady and JBG or more dynamic central midfielders pushing Westwood and Hendrick whilst keeping it tight out wide ? I think Arfield and Boyd will be down the peking order next season if still here.
I think Dyche will be ruthless with the midfield.
I think Dyche will be ruthless with the midfield.
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Re: Next season,better attackers, better service or both ?
It will be 4-4-2 and we'll be found out.
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Don't be silly man!! Get a sole, the experience of another year will make us a much stronger team, coupled with some better players we be re et mateablueclaret wrote:It will be 4-4-2 and we'll be found out.
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Bit incisive for you ABC
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Re: Next season,better attackers, better service or both ?
We need to be looking for another wide midfielder, along with another two central midfielders. In effect this would be a long term replacement for Boyd and replacements for Marney and Barton.
JBG has it in his locker as shown with a beaut of a cross today but he needs to stay fit for us to be truly able to judge how much of an impact on the first eleven he can have at this level.
We need more from Brady. I am not sure if he is struggling with the price tag or just not as good as I/we thought he was but the lad is visibly struggling. He continuously makes really poor decisions in possession and his theatrics today don't impress me.
My hope and belief is we will see a much improved player after a 'Dyche Pre-Season' as he looks a little lost fitting in to the system currently. The effort is obvious, just lacking confidence and discipline.
Certainly some big recruitment needed in the midfield as part of our evolution - but that is 100% what it needs to be, evolution not revolution. We need to remember what has got us to this point and look at shrewd acquisitions that will suit our system rather than trying to tear up the rule book with foreign punts who do't have the fitness or application to be able to work in a rigid 442 (Steven Defour).
JBG has it in his locker as shown with a beaut of a cross today but he needs to stay fit for us to be truly able to judge how much of an impact on the first eleven he can have at this level.
We need more from Brady. I am not sure if he is struggling with the price tag or just not as good as I/we thought he was but the lad is visibly struggling. He continuously makes really poor decisions in possession and his theatrics today don't impress me.
My hope and belief is we will see a much improved player after a 'Dyche Pre-Season' as he looks a little lost fitting in to the system currently. The effort is obvious, just lacking confidence and discipline.
Certainly some big recruitment needed in the midfield as part of our evolution - but that is 100% what it needs to be, evolution not revolution. We need to remember what has got us to this point and look at shrewd acquisitions that will suit our system rather than trying to tear up the rule book with foreign punts who do't have the fitness or application to be able to work in a rigid 442 (Steven Defour).
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I expect there will be strengthening throughout the team in the summer. We will need to come up with something a little different tactically too as others will be ready for us next season - the bigger teams have clearly got our measure now. Be interesting to see what we come up with over the summer.
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More creativity in midfield. More pace. A different option up front. Said it so many times, we start with 4 defensive midfielders who after a bout of sideways passing knock it back to a defender who launches it. No one is comfortable on the ball, we can't out manoeuvre even the worst midfield, we have no pace to get beyond the opposition. Through balls of the quality Boyd delivered at Crystal Palace stand out, as they are so rare.
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I'd agree with more pace and creativity in midfield. One of our biggest requirements is someone that can play up top but drop deeper to link midfield and attack. Someone comfortable with the ball, able to carry the ball, pick a pass and a threat themself in front of goal. A poor mans Sanchez if you like.
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I think we need a better manager.
A footballing man, a footballing coach. Someone to coach players into the system. No matter how many wingers Dyche signs, they will be absolute sh*te in this system. Brady, JBG are good players but they certainly don't look good players in this system. I'm sick of watching this hoofball negative tripe and I'm sick of fans making excuses for it like ''we don't have world class players to pass the ball'' because I didn't see Bournemouth hoof it and they certainly don't have world class players. Some of our players could be doing so much more if the shackles came off, Hendrick Brady Defour Gray to name a few that are under performing through no fault of their own. Why give Dyche more money to blow on good players to ultimately not fit the hoofball system?
A footballing man, a footballing coach. Someone to coach players into the system. No matter how many wingers Dyche signs, they will be absolute sh*te in this system. Brady, JBG are good players but they certainly don't look good players in this system. I'm sick of watching this hoofball negative tripe and I'm sick of fans making excuses for it like ''we don't have world class players to pass the ball'' because I didn't see Bournemouth hoof it and they certainly don't have world class players. Some of our players could be doing so much more if the shackles came off, Hendrick Brady Defour Gray to name a few that are under performing through no fault of their own. Why give Dyche more money to blow on good players to ultimately not fit the hoofball system?
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Dyche is the most successful manager we've had in a long, long time. Who do you think would realistically replace him and do better?KRBFC wrote:I think we need a better manager.
A footballing man, a footballing coach. Someone to coach players into the system. No matter how many wingers Dyche signs, they will be absolute sh*te in this system. Brady, JBG are good players but they certainly don't look good players in this system. I'm sick of watching this hoofball negative tripe and I'm sick of fans making excuses for it like ''we don't have world class players to pass the ball'' because I didn't see Bournemouth hoof it and they certainly don't have world class players. Some of our players could be doing so much more if the shackles came off, Hendrick Brady Defour Gray to name a few that are under performing through no fault of their own. Why give Dyche more money to blow on good players to ultimately not fit the hoofball system?
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Krbfc is right and those who hail dyche are right too. No winners here..
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Dyche is a Championship manager, stubborn to change so he'll never become anything more. We play the same system every game, regardless of the opposition, regardless of home or away. Certainly not a PL manager, he's a flukey Championship manager punching above his weight.IndigoLake wrote:Dyche is the most successful manager we've had in a long, long time. Who do you think would realistically replace him and do better?
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Flukey? Winning the Championship and surviving in the Prem with games to spare.........hmmmKRBFC wrote:Dyche is a Championship manager, stubborn to change so he'll never become anything more. We play the same system every game, regardless of the opposition, regardless of home or away. Certainly not a PL manager, he's a flukey Championship manager punching above his weight.
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Re: Next season,better attackers, better service or both ?
New attackers.
Better service.
System that suits them.
Better service.
System that suits them.
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He's found a system that works for him. There was no fluke in us becoming defensively sound when he arrived. Howe had us leaking goals left, right and centre and Dyche found a nice balance. Everything Dyche did was very deliberate and you simply cannot be promoted automatically twice to the Premier League and pick up the number of points we have and it be a fluke. As it stands, he is a Premier League manager, simple as that.KRBFC wrote:Dyche is a Championship manager, stubborn to change so he'll never become anything more. We play the same system every game, regardless of the opposition, regardless of home or away. Certainly not a PL manager, he's a flukey Championship manager punching above his weight.
Like I said, who do you feel would come to Burnley and move the club forward and do better than Dyche? I know you're a fan of Hull's manager, for example. Would he outperform Dyche?
I feel like your reactions to our results are way too extreme one way or another. You offer some praise when we win but when we lose it's suddenly post after post of anti-Dyche to the point of you wanting him gone. I'm surprised you don't show more respect for what he has done and is doing for the club. I understand you don't like the style of football but if that's what keeps us in the Premier League (and it has) then so be it.
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If dyche left before next season and you appointed Wagner from hudds or the hull manager, I'd have you nailed on to drop. Under dyche I don't, in fact much as it pains me, I EXPECT progress.
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Re: Next season,better attackers, better service or both ?
same as any team that comes into the Premier League, you fight tooth and nail for every point and try and stay up long enough to enable you to pay bigger wages for better quality - it will be the same for us next season hopefully with a little more quality
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I judge each performance on a game by game basis regardless of the result, I praised us after the Everton game which we lost. I believe a better manager could take us further and make us more attractive to watch. Dyche isn't the only manager in world football who could have success with Burnley. I respect what he's done for us and admire the transformation of the club as a whole since he arrived but I hate the way we play. Stoke fans hated the way they played under Pulis, they survived without him.IndigoLake wrote:He's found a system that works for him. There was no fluke in us becoming defensively sound when he arrived. Howe had us leaking goals left, right and centre and Dyche found a nice balance. Everything Dyche did was very deliberate and you simply cannot be promoted automatically twice to the Premier League and pick up the number of points we have and it be a fluke. As it stands, he is a Premier League manager, simple as that.
Like I said, who do you feel would come to Burnley and move the club forward and do better than Dyche? I know you're a fan of Hull's manager, for example. Would he outperform Dyche?
I feel like your reactions to our results are way too extreme one way or another. You offer some praise when we win but when we lose it's suddenly post after post of anti-Dyche to the point of you wanting him gone. I'm surprised you don't show more respect for what he has done and is doing for the club. I understand you don't like the style of football but if that's what keeps us in the Premier League (and it has) then so be it.
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There is some merit in what you say, KRBFC. Dyche does need to evolve and adapt as a manager, but let's not forget a few things.KRBFC wrote:I judge each performance on a game by game basis regardless of the result, I praised us after the Everton game which we lost. I believe a better manager could take us further and make us more attractive to watch. Dyche isn't the only manager in world football who could have success with Burnley. I respect what he's done for us and admire the transformation of the club as a whole since he arrived but I hate the way we play. Stoke fans hated the way they played under Pulis, they survived without him.
He's still a relatively inexperienced manager and is learning. He stabilised the club when he arrived and the season after, took us up. He's obviously learned from the relegation because the following season, we were promoted as champions and this season, we have achieved exactly what we aimed for.
Alongside all of this, he has worked within the budgets at the club, delivering on the pitch which has allowed us to massively improve the club at all levels on and off the pitch.
The football isn't a style that I particularly like and I certainly hope that we do develop and progress towards a more pleasing system, but that he to be done slowly. A wholesale change now is the wrong approach and would be a big mistake.
Ultimately, Dyche has banked plenty of credit, enough for us all to give him at least the opportunity to carry on the project and the progression. Next season will perhaps be more telling.
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Better service? We've bought an entire midfield in the last two windows!
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It still needs improving and strengthening.boatshed bill wrote:Better service? We've bought an entire midfield in the last two windows!
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I knowDCWat wrote:It still needs improving and strengthening.

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I think we need to get a settled midfield next season. This season we've chopped and changed so much and whenever we've looked like vaguely fluent, we've had to make changes. JBG, Hendrick, Westwood and Brady have the potential to make a strong unit, and should be more than capable of producing decent service.
I've said for a while now that I wouldn't be upset to see Gray leave, because it'll allow us to bring in a forward who can retain possession and contribute to our football. I think that's where we need to seriously upgrade this summer.
I've said for a while now that I wouldn't be upset to see Gray leave, because it'll allow us to bring in a forward who can retain possession and contribute to our football. I think that's where we need to seriously upgrade this summer.
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We need a striker to drop in the hole between the opposition defence and midfield. We need to play between the lines more, and pull defenders out of position. This would then help the leading forward find space as well.
There's huge doubts over Ings, and whether he will ever stay injury free for more than a season or two, but a deep lying forward of his ilk would help mix up our play. We're too predictable, too often.
There's huge doubts over Ings, and whether he will ever stay injury free for more than a season or two, but a deep lying forward of his ilk would help mix up our play. We're too predictable, too often.
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Here is my issue, do we really allow Dyche to waste even more money on new players? It doesn't matter what winger he signs, he'll look a dud. JBG and Brady would look excellent in a Eddie Howe side, in a Dyche side they're complete useless. Brady's a good player but he looks absolutely sh**e for us. Why is that?? Gray would be scoring regularly in any other PL side, can't even get in our side.DCWat wrote:There is some merit in what you say, KRBFC. Dyche does need to evolve and adapt as a manager, but let's not forget a few things.
He's still a relatively inexperienced manager and is learning. He stabilised the club when he arrived and the season after, took us up. He's obviously learned from the relegation because the following season, we were promoted as champions and this season, we have achieved exactly what we aimed for.
Alongside all of this, he has worked within the budgets at the club, delivering on the pitch which has allowed us to massively improve the club at all levels on and off the pitch.
The football isn't a style that I particularly like and I certainly hope that we do develop and progress towards a more pleasing system, but that he to be done slowly. A wholesale change now is the wrong approach and would be a big mistake.
Ultimately, Dyche has banked plenty of credit, enough for us all to give him at least the opportunity to carry on the project and the progression. Next season will perhaps be more telling.
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You're being daft now. I can see both Boyd and Scott leaving this summer. Brady and JBG are, IMO, better players at this time. Arf and Boys are / have been, great players, but in the last two games when these two have come on we've improved massively. Did you see Bradys delivery for the equaliser last week?KRBFC wrote:Here is my issue, do we really allow Dyche to waste even more money on new players? It doesn't matter what winger he signs, he'll look a dud. JBG and Brady would look excellent in a Eddie Howe side, in a Dyche side they're complete useless. Brady's a good player but he looks absolutely sh**e for us. Why is that?? Gray would be scoring regularly in any other PL side, can't even get in our side.
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Of course they're better players, but they haven't been performing like you would expect them too. Brady from dead balls has been very good but he's looked awful from open play, I know he's a good player so I know that isn't the reason he looks crap, the reason he looks crap is the system he is asked to play in.mybloodisclaret wrote:You're being daft now. I can see both Boyd and Scott leaving this summer. Brady and JBG are, IMO, better players at this time. Arf and Boys are / have been, great players, but in the last two games when these two have come on we've improved massively. Did you see Bradys delivery for the equaliser last week?
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I don't think Brady has been hampered by Dyche's system to be fair. He's shown glimpses of what he will bring but some of the poorer elements of his play since joining us haven't been due to that. Him picking the wrong option or not using the ball as effectively as he would expect to are of his own making.
I was expecting a little more from him so far, although he's still delivered assists and scored. Again, next season is the time to judge Brady.
I was expecting a little more from him so far, although he's still delivered assists and scored. Again, next season is the time to judge Brady.