Time to let go of Gibraltar and the Falklands.

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Re: Time to let go of Gibraltar and the Falklands.

Post by ablueclaret » Sun May 14, 2017 11:40 pm

I feel geography may not be your strongest suit.

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Re: Time to let go of Gibraltar and the Falklands.

Post by dsr » Sun May 14, 2017 11:43 pm

ablueclaret wrote:I feel geography may not be your strongest suit.
It's not so much a geography issue, more a "I don't care where you live but I know it's not near here" issue.

Anyway, what has it got to do with you? It's your future based on geography that's I'm talking about. Which to your mind is entirely a matter for other people to decide.

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Re: Time to let go of Gibraltar and the Falklands.

Post by mdd2 » Mon May 15, 2017 8:25 am

How can anyone possibly say that the folk in Zimbabwe are better off than when there was white minority rule? (apart from some high up members of ZANU) It is probably a fair point that Africa may be worse off given that S.Rhodesia was the bread basket of Africa compared with now when it is one of the basket cases of Africa.
Finally given that the majority of citizens of Gibraltar are "Spanish" by decent and speak their language in preference to English-when asked- they do not want to be swallowed into Spain

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Re: Time to let go of Gibraltar and the Falklands.

Post by Hipper » Mon May 15, 2017 10:20 am

Sidney1st wrote:Does it effect you in anyway what happens with Falklands or Gibraltar?
People from the UK have died to keep the Falklands British and it costs us a lot of money (something like £75 million) to maintain the garrison there.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/databl ... ata-charts" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Our presence there is more a political statement dressed up as solidarity with the Falkland Islanders.

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Re: Time to let go of Gibraltar and the Falklands.

Post by Sidney1st » Mon May 15, 2017 10:28 am

Hipper wrote:People from the UK have died to keep the Falklands British and it costs us a lot of money (something like £75 million) to maintain the garrison there.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/databl ... ata-charts" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Our presence there is more a political statement dressed up as solidarity with the Falkland Islanders.
I know people died out there, my dad was one of the soldiers who didn't get the chance to go out there.

Your £75 million, that can't be per annum?

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Re: Time to let go of Gibraltar and the Falklands.

Post by Paul Waine » Mon May 15, 2017 11:21 am

ablueclaret wrote:All it requires in both cases is political will, both situations are quite frankly absurd leftovers of a Colonial Past. The world deserves better.
By all means grant Falklands and Gib independence from UK if that's what their population wants (at present they don't want that). (Same for Scotland). But, that's not the same as saying "off you go, you are now Argentinian/Spanish" - whether you like it or not.

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Re: Time to let go of Gibraltar and the Falklands.

Post by Paul Waine » Mon May 15, 2017 11:25 am

ablueclaret wrote:Just imagine Australia owning the Isle of Man, every red bloodied Englishman would be pitching for a fight. The Falkands are an absurdity.
What's England got to do with the Isle of Man? As the people who live there. They do not pay UK taxes.

Rather than Australia, what if it was France or Netherlands, still only an issue between the population of IoM and the country they are "part of."

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Re: Time to let go of Gibraltar and the Falklands.

Post by ablueclaret » Mon May 15, 2017 2:32 pm

The English would never allow the Isle of Man to belong to the France.

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Re: Time to let go of Gibraltar and the Falklands.

Post by Hipper » Mon May 15, 2017 2:48 pm

Sidney1st wrote:Your £75 million, that can't be per annum?
See the link I put up.

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