Another Watford manager to go

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed May 17, 2017 1:45 pm

Walter Mazzarri on his way at Watford after one season

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Wed May 17, 2017 1:57 pm

On the face of it he's done a decent enough job, but from what I've read I don't think there'll be too many upset at this news.

timshorts · Post by **timshorts** » Wed May 17, 2017 1:58 pm

I'm upset. I'd pencilled them in as one of the three that would be finishing below us next season.

Juan Tanamera · Post by **Juan Tanamera** » Wed May 17, 2017 1:58 pm

As Ian Rush once said (allegedly), "The trouble with these Italians is they're all foreigners and dont speak a word of English"

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Wed May 17, 2017 2:02 pm

Not surprised, you could tell it was on the cards having watched multiple Deeney interviews.

Lord Beamish · Post by **Lord Beamish** » Wed May 17, 2017 2:04 pm

He looked like Dustin Hoffman's Evil Twin Brother.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed May 17, 2017 2:13 pm

Confirmed now by Watford

“After the Board discussed with Walter Mazzarri the club’s future goals and aspirations, it was decided he will be stepping down from his position as the club’s Head Coach after the final game of the 2016/17 season.

“We thank Walter and his staff for the contribution they have made to Watford Football Club over the past year.”

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed May 17, 2017 2:15 pm

KRBFC wrote:Not surprised, you could tell it was on the cards having watched multiple Deeney interviews.

Weren't you one of those that advocated a change of managers annually like Watford do?
I'm sure you didn't see an issue with it.

Jambounchained · Post by **Jambounchained** » Wed May 17, 2017 2:16 pm

Wouldn't be surprised is Marco Silva ended up there.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Wed May 17, 2017 2:20 pm

Sidney1st wrote:Weren't you one of those that advocated a change of managers annually like Watford do?
I'm sure you didn't see an issue with it.

Since the Pozzos came in, how many times have they been relegated?

Socrates · Post by **Socrates** » Wed May 17, 2017 2:21 pm

Lord Beamish wrote:He looked like Dustin Hoffman's Evil Twin Brother.

One of Alec Baldwin's less famous brothers.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed May 17, 2017 2:23 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:Since the Pozzos came in, how many times have they been relegated?

They haven't, so yes it works for Watford.

Are you suggesting we do the same here?

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Wed May 17, 2017 2:28 pm

Depends if the owners get the managerial selection right, as Watford have with 3 managers on the trot in Jokanovic (promotion), Quique Flores (FA Cup Semi and comfortable mid-table) and Mazzari (very comfortable mid-table all season).

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed May 17, 2017 2:29 pm

If they've got it so right with them why have they sacked all three?

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed May 17, 2017 2:29 pm

That's the risk though, do we stick with a man who's done a commendable job of steadying the ship and moving it forward or keep changing manager in the hope we can take much larger steps forward.

Yes it works at Chelsea, but they can afford to pay off managers contracts easily, can we?
Didn't work for Rovers.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Wed May 17, 2017 2:29 pm

Because they've got ambition to do better, year on year.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Wed May 17, 2017 2:31 pm

Is the door open for a Sean Dyche return to Watford?

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed May 17, 2017 2:31 pm

Steve1956 wrote:Is the door open for a Sean Dyche return to Watford?

I'd doubt it to be honest - i think they will just go for another 12 month foreign manager

beddie · Post by **beddie** » Wed May 17, 2017 2:31 pm

Shouldn't Watfords statement have read "“After the Board discussed with Walter Mazzarri's Interpreter"

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Wed May 17, 2017 2:35 pm

ClaretTony wrote:I'd doubt it to be honest - i think they will just go for another 12 month foreign manager

Stranger things happen Tony, I bet he still lives in the house he managed Watford from he must love it there, I hope not but it could become worrying if they approach him.

CombatClaret · Post by **CombatClaret** » Wed May 17, 2017 2:36 pm

Managerial Russian Roulette.

Hopefully next season they chamber the bullet.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed May 17, 2017 2:36 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:Because they've got ambition to do better, year on year.

So has every club, but neither format is better then the other is it?

Fergie spent 26 yrs at UTD and won 38 trophies, BUT he had an iffy patch at the start and ultimately his longevity was the key to their success.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed May 17, 2017 2:39 pm

Steve1956 wrote:Stranger things happen Tony, I bet he still lives in the house he managed Watford from he must love it there, I hope not but it could become worrying if they approach him.

Big, big difference in the two jobs though - he's manager at Burnley but at Watford they have a coach who doesn't appear to have much say in which players come in. He's also got a secure job at Burnley whereas he'd be looking for another job in 2018 in all likeliness if he took that job. This is the club who almost immediately sacked the bloke who won them promotion.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Wed May 17, 2017 2:41 pm

Sidney1st wrote:Weren't you one of those that advocated a change of managers annually like Watford do?
I'm sure you didn't see an issue with it.

Never mentioned it, although it has worked for them.... But keep pretending I said things to suit your agenda, I will play along if you want?

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Wed May 17, 2017 2:43 pm

ClaretTony wrote:If they've got it so right with them why have they sacked all three?

Didnt Jokanovic walk away or demand a ridiculous wage and bonus? I'm not sure how you can possibly say they got it wrong based on the results achieved.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed May 17, 2017 2:46 pm

KRBFC wrote:Never mentioned it, although it has worked for them.... But keep pretending I said things to suit your agenda, I will play along if you want?

No agenda over here, you're the one who's asked for Dyche to be sacked this season, not me.

If you haven't suggested we should do the same as Watford, or advocated what they do then I'll apologise.

I know someone on here has and you're the prime candidate that's all, you do have the biggest mouth on here when it comes to wanting Dyche gone.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Wed May 17, 2017 2:50 pm

Sidney1st wrote:No agenda over here, you're the one who's asked for Dyche to be sacked this season, not me.

If you haven't suggested we should do the same as Watford, or advocated what they do then I'll apologise.

I know someone on here has and you're the prime candidate that's all, you do have the biggest mouth on here when it comes to wanting Dyche gone.

You seem to apologise to me quite often, how about use your brain and stop putting words into my mouth before quoting my posts in future. I don't like Dyche's style of football, what's your problem?

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed May 17, 2017 2:50 pm

KRBFC wrote:You seem to apologise to me quite often, how about use your brain and stop putting words into my mouth before quoting my posts in future.

I will do, only if you promise to stop having stupid tantrums after games we lose?
I think it's a fair swap.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Wed May 17, 2017 2:53 pm

Sidney1st wrote:I will do, only if you promise to stop having stupid tantrums after games we lose?
I think it's a fair swap.

Yeah, because I only post when we lose don't I? I'm only negative after every loss and never positive about anything even if we win.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed May 17, 2017 2:55 pm

KRBFC wrote:Yeah, because I only post when we lose don't I? I'm only negative after every loss and never positive about anything even if we win.

I only mentioned the stupid tantrums you have, I'm not fussed about the other stuff you post because you do actually post a mixture of positive and negative when games aren't on.
I've even agreed with you on somethings.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Wed May 17, 2017 2:57 pm

I feel sorry for that man who stands next to him in post match interviews.

What's he going to do now?

TonbridgeClaret · Post by **TonbridgeClaret** » Wed May 17, 2017 2:57 pm

Sean Dyche is 16/1 with Paddy Power and three others. 20/1 with a couple of others. Ranieri now seems to be favourite over Silva.

bfc1984 · Post by **bfc1984** » Wed May 17, 2017 3:01 pm

Good I find it really annoying how he can't speak a word of English on his interviews! I mean it's gone mad how the hell can you be giving instructions to the team constantly through a interpreter.The fecker will even use one to say goodbye etc a joke! Regarding our situation with one are two decent signings I think we will be ok again next year.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Wed May 17, 2017 3:03 pm

Sidney1st wrote:I only mentioned the stupid tantrums you have, I'm not fussed about the other stuff you post because you do actually post a mixture of positive and negative when games aren't on.
I've even agreed with you on somethings.

Yes, like the Wenger topic where I agreed yet you still tried to argue. You have some issue recently where you constantly try to argue for the sake of it, even making up things I supposedly said on numerous occasions to use as ammunition. If you want to debate topics with me then keep it relevant and sensible. I give my opinion on all matters BFC, I know little about politics so I can't add to those topics. If you find my opinion negative regarding certain matters then that's probably because I find the matter negative. I was critical of the recruitment in Dyche's first PL season and praised the board for really showing intent In the summer. Contrasting opinions on the same topic at two different times. One I find worthy of negative comments and the other I believe should be praised.

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Wed May 17, 2017 3:08 pm

If Silva gets the job they'll be top 4 next season.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Wed May 17, 2017 3:08 pm

I do wonder if some of these foreigners actually try and learn English. I remember Pochettino having a interpreter for what seemed like a long time. I remember there were rumors about the reason behind him having a translator but I'm struggling to remember the exact rumor.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed May 17, 2017 3:16 pm

KRBFC wrote:I do wonder if some of these foreigners actually try and learn English. I remember Pochettino having a interpreter for what seemed like a long time. I remember there were rumors about the reason behind him having a translator but I'm struggling to remember the exact rumor.

I think it was Tevez who was in England for 5 years or so and his English was virtually non existent and he was driving illegally too because he failed to switch his licence over.

As part of him taking the job at Spurs Pochettino agreed to do interviews in English I think.

I can't remember the reason why he used a translator either.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed May 17, 2017 3:16 pm

bfc1984 wrote:Good I find it really annoying how he can't speak a word of English on his interviews! I mean it's gone mad how the hell can you be giving instructions to the team constantly through a interpreter.The fecker will even use one to say goodbye etc a joke! Regarding our situation with one are two decent signings I think we will be ok again next year.

When they played on the Turf earlier this season they had players from eleven different countries starting the game so not speaking English was probably only a problem for Troy Deeney.

TheFamilyCat wrote:If Silva gets the job they'll be top 4 next season.

I think you might have missed a few smilies

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Wed May 17, 2017 3:19 pm

I remember something about Pochettino not wanting to do interviews in English until he could speak it to a high standard, because he didn't want to be mocked like other foreign managers? Something like that anyway.

simonclaret · Post by **simonclaret** » Wed May 17, 2017 3:20 pm

It's a real gamble changing every season. One bad appointment and it can all go wrong. Very nearly happened to Swansea until they put Bradley out of his misery.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed May 17, 2017 3:22 pm

ksrclaret wrote:I remember something about Pochettino not wanting to do interviews in English until he could speak it to a high standard, because he didn't want to be mocked like other foreign managers? Something like that anyway.

KRBFC

Here it is, was down to what he perceived as his poor command of the English language.

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quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Wed May 17, 2017 3:24 pm

ksrclaret wrote:I remember something about Pochettino not wanting to do interviews in English until he could speak it to a high standard, because he didn't want to be mocked like other foreign managers? Something like that anyway.

yep, it was along those lines.

he wanted to make sure he was saying what he meant.

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Wed May 17, 2017 3:25 pm

KRBFC wrote:I do wonder if some of these foreigners actually try and learn English. I remember Pochettino having a interpreter for what seemed like a long time. I remember there were rumors about the reason behind him having a translator but I'm struggling to remember the exact rumor.

Mazzarri moved to Manchester before he even got the Watford job in order to start the process of learning the language, and speaks to his players in English.

“I know Manchester very well – I used to walk around the city a lot,” he said in an interview in February. “When I go back, I can’t really call it my home… but almost. For three or four months last year, before I came to Watford, I travelled back and forth between Italy and the UK. I stayed in Manchester and I enjoyed it very much – it gave me an understanding of life in Britain because, from a personal perspective, I wanted to understand the culture. I chose Manchester because it is not as cosmopolitan as London, which helped me to settle in the environment of life in England faster.”

Given how the media seize on anything you can't really blame him for using a translator.

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Wed May 17, 2017 3:29 pm

If he learnt in English in Manchester it's probably a good thing he had a translator.

mkmel · Post by **mkmel** » Wed May 17, 2017 3:48 pm

Well that's a shock as Watford normally stick with their managers

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Wed May 17, 2017 3:57 pm

Dyche back to Watford after the way he was treated, not a chance I would think.

JohnDearyMe · Post by **JohnDearyMe** » Wed May 17, 2017 3:58 pm

Lord Beamish wrote:He looked like Dustin Hoffman's Evil Twin Brother.

I always thought he looked more like Tony Curtis

claretdom · Post by **claretdom** » Wed May 17, 2017 4:03 pm

KRBFC wrote:Didnt Jokanovic walk away or demand a ridiculous wage and bonus? I'm not sure how you can possibly say they got it wrong based on the results achieved.

So Watford got it right cos they have stayed up, yet you have bitched and cried like a smacked arse little kid all season for achieving your one aim all season. ?

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Wed May 17, 2017 4:18 pm

claretdom wrote:So Watford got it right cos they have stayed up, yet you have bitched and cried like a smacked arse little kid all season for achieving your one aim all season. ?

Yes they got it right, just like our board has got the appointment of Dyche right. How can anyone deny that? I never said we didn't get it right. Don't confuse yourself, I hate the brand of football, its that simple.

Man of Kent · Post by **Man of Kent** » Wed May 17, 2017 4:18 pm

KRBFC wrote:I do wonder if some of these foreigners actually try and learn English. I remember Pochettino having a interpreter for what seemed like a long time. I remember there were rumors about the reason behind him having a translator but I'm struggling to remember the exact rumor.

For 'translator' read 'PR person'. It's a great way for someone to filter his comments before they reach the journalists. It's a well-known tactic in the communications industry. Poch could speak English right from the start but they didn't trust him to say the right thing for at least a year.