Our form post Lincoln

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sun May 21, 2017 5:34 pm

10 points home and away. That has to improve going into next season. Just one home win in that time.

This is why away form needs to improve next season as home form alone wont be enough.

Confident we will get the right players in.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sun May 21, 2017 5:41 pm

We need to buy very well.

We won't have the winning mentality crest of a wave to start with next year.

KefkaClaret · Post by **KefkaClaret** » Sun May 21, 2017 5:44 pm

Dean Marney

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sun May 21, 2017 5:49 pm

KefkaClaret wrote:Dean Marney

Very good point. Missed his energy big time.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sun May 21, 2017 5:50 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:We need to buy very well.

We won't have the winning mentality crest of a wave to start with next year.

We didn't this time, we lost at home in the first game to Swansea!

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sun May 21, 2017 5:51 pm

I just think Dyche has lost the dressing room tbh. It must be pretty demoralizing losing against a non league side at home and creating nothing. After a game like that, no doubt the players will have questioned the system they're asked to play in (in their own head). The players just don't look happy to play for him, its almost like Dyche has sucked all enjoyment for the game out of the players. Hendrick with his driving talent, eye for a goal and passing ability yet hes asked to play a statue role in a rigid system. Gray with his pace and power and dangerous runs yet we continue to hoof it to him. You can see Gray visibly frustrated with the lack of service. So many underperforming players who would be doing better elsewhere Imo.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sun May 21, 2017 5:53 pm

Spijed wrote:We didn't this time, we lost at home in the first game to Swansea!

Only a small dent in it.

We have 2 wins in 16, the mood will be a lot different in the dressing room now.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sun May 21, 2017 5:54 pm

[quote="KRBFC"]I just think Dyche has lost the dressing room tbh.quote]

Surpassed yourself this time, which is some achievement.

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Sun May 21, 2017 5:54 pm

Lincolns 'Goal' didn't even cross the line, I know for a fact this rattled the lads and they've struggled to come to terms with it, hence....

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun May 21, 2017 5:56 pm

Dyche has lost the dressing room?

More like you've lost the plot finally, or you're fishing

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sun May 21, 2017 5:56 pm

taio wrote:

I don't see the team oozing confidence, belief and fight. 2 wins in approx 15 games. I don't see the players visibly happy on the pitch, all rumors have been about players leaving so far. Defour supposedly unhappy and wanting out.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sun May 21, 2017 5:58 pm

Defour and Boyd are definitely off. Keane too albeit in different circumstances.

Gray, Mee and Heaton could go but doubt it.

Need to get some more experienced heads in along with more flair.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sun May 21, 2017 5:59 pm

On reflection Sid is probably right - just a lame fishing expedition

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sun May 21, 2017 6:00 pm

KefkaClaret wrote:Dean Marney

nail on the head

SeanDyche · Post by **SeanDyche** » Sun May 21, 2017 6:00 pm

KRBFC wrote:I just think Dyche has lost the dressing room tbh.

I'm not having that.

claretlegend · Post by **claretlegend** » Sun May 21, 2017 6:06 pm

KRBFC - This guy is surely a troll? Either that or he knows nothing about football. I've never known someone talk so much sh**e!

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sun May 21, 2017 6:07 pm

taio wrote:On reflection Sid is probably right - just a lame fishing expedition

Absolutely not, you have no response which says it all. There is zero fight in this team, confidence and belief has completely gone. A bunch of under performing players who have crawled over the line after a good start. Things change, managers lose the faith of the players over time, I don't see evidence the players believe in Dyche anymore. Imagine being Andre Gray and playing for us, you would hate it. The players simply aren't proud to wear the shirt because of the hideous brand of football our club is now associated with. Ask any footballer, non of them like to play the "wrong" way, Yawn Dyche took the beautiful out of the "beautiful game".

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sun May 21, 2017 6:09 pm

claretlegend wrote:KRBFC - This guy is surely a troll? Either that or he knows nothing about football. I've never known someone talk so much sh**e!

2 wins in approx 15 games says it all, belief confidence and fight completely gone.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sun May 21, 2017 6:10 pm

My response is that you're view is utter sh1te. That's all it deserves.

Stalbansclaret · Post by **Stalbansclaret** » Sun May 21, 2017 6:12 pm

Only my inherent belief in free speech is preventing me begging for you to be blocked from posting KRBFC. There is only one person consistently sucking the enjoyment out of the season and it certainly isn't Sean Dyche .

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Sun May 21, 2017 6:12 pm

Meanwhile Marco Silva is continuing to inspire belief and confidence with a resounding 7-1 spanking to follow last weeks 4-0 defeat.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun May 21, 2017 6:15 pm

You can't badmouth KRBFC's new love.

claretlegend · Post by **claretlegend** » Sun May 21, 2017 6:19 pm

No fight? Are you serious? No doubt since the Palace win (which was full of fight incidently) we have tailed off, but to suggest we have no fight is an absolute joke. We're Burnley for god sake. Small town, small club, small budgets, small fanbase, competing and surviving in the most competitive league in the world and we've done so with a great amount of fight against the odds. Anyone unhappy with this season and the position we are in need their head checking. Or even better bugger off to support Rovers! You and that other clown ablueclaret spoil this board for everyone else in my opinion.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Sun May 21, 2017 6:20 pm

ksrclaret wrote:Meanwhile Marco Silva is continuing to inspire belief and confidence with a resounding 7-1 spanking to follow last weeks 4-0 defeat.

Hull played lovely football today though.

Winstonswhite · Post by **Winstonswhite** » Sun May 21, 2017 6:21 pm

I think anyone who spoke to or was at the players do will be able to answer the troll about whether Dyche has lost the dressing room.

The only person he's lost is Defour which is a shame but I won't be losing any sleep over it.

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Sun May 21, 2017 6:23 pm

claretlegend wrote:KRBFC - This guy is surely a troll? Either that or he knows nothing about football. I've never known someone talk so much sh**e!

He's admitted and even gloated about it in the past, why does anybody give him the time of day?

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sun May 21, 2017 6:24 pm

Winstonswhite wrote:I think anyone who spoke to or was at the players do will be able to answer the troll about whether Dyche has lost the dressing room.

The only person he's lost is Defour which is a shame but I won't be losing any sleep over it.

If you believe everything players say then I guess so. If Defour was asked at the players do if he enjoyed it here, do you think he'd say what he really felt or tell us what we want to hear?

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Sun May 21, 2017 6:25 pm

Diesel wrote:He's admitted and even gloated about it in the past

He has and you wonder why he's still allowed to be here.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sun May 21, 2017 6:25 pm

Defour tried to two foot Dyche today when the ball went out of play, says it all Imo. The players just don't respect Dyche.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sun May 21, 2017 6:28 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:He has and you wonder why he's still allowed to be here.

Why wouldn't I be allowed?
It would be pretty immature of the mods to ban me for having an different opinion on certain matters. Its supposed to be a forum for Burnley fans, which gives me equal rights to be posting here as you.

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Sun May 21, 2017 6:28 pm

KRBFC wrote: The players just don't respect Dyche.

Please stop fishing!

taio · Post by **taio** » Sun May 21, 2017 6:31 pm

When someone has admitted to trolling, many people will feel you shouldn't be allowed to post. Mind you I'd have binned you as soon as you made that horrible post to Lotty.

Goobs · Post by **Goobs** » Sun May 21, 2017 6:34 pm

KRBFC wrote: Its supposed to be a forum for Burnley fans, which gives me no right to be posting here

Corrected it for you.

bob-the-scutter · Post by **bob-the-scutter** » Sun May 21, 2017 6:37 pm

KRBFC wrote:Defour tried to two foot Dyche today when the ball went out of play, says it all Imo. The players just don't respect Dyche.

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KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sun May 21, 2017 6:41 pm

Nobody here likes the Dyche football, I just say it. I'm a spokesman for all cowering scared Clarets worldwide. I'm a voice for all Clarets scared to voice their own opinion.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun May 21, 2017 6:47 pm

You're just a voice who likes to gob off and seek attention.

Whether or not you believe the tripe you post remains to be seen.

I was going to add so long as you're happy, but we already know you aren't seeing as you want Dyche fired.

BabylonClaret · Post by **BabylonClaret** » Sun May 21, 2017 6:47 pm

Post Lincoln we've played better sides at home and been away for more than at home. despite that we've played reasonably well away and been unfortunate not to take more points than we did. I'm most disappointed we only picked 1 up from the last 9 after that great win at Palace. however, we have been playing with a reserve back line which has conceded 6 in those games.

boyyanno · Post by **boyyanno** » Sun May 21, 2017 6:50 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:10 points home and away. That has to improve going into next season. Just one home win in that time.

This is why away form needs to improve next season as home form alone wont be enough.

Confident we will get the right players in.

I really hope you're right. Preformances have not been great recently and results have not either. I'm absolutley thrilled we've stayed up but I do have concerns for next year.

We need to buy a spine for the squad in the summer, and they need to be premier league quality. Keane will leave, Defour will too, and we will need a striker who can score. These players will not come cheap and we need proven quality to improve, not players finding their feet in the division. I'm just not sure where the players will come from, as a club we've done very badly with foreign players and that's the only market I can see us competing in for quality. Recruitment will be absolutley key this year for certain, I just hope we get the players, and we get them in early enough.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun May 21, 2017 6:52 pm

We have strikers who can score, it's better service they need.

SkiptonClaret · Post by **SkiptonClaret** » Sun May 21, 2017 6:52 pm

Saved, ultimately, by the absolute mediocrity of the division. 15 point gap between 7th and 8th ? Rest mich of a muchness aside form Middlesbrough and a hapless Sunderland.
That said it's a big achievement keeping Burnley in the Premier League in any season. Next season will be even tougher, we need 5 or 6 players for sure, however this time we need to ensure that they actually improve the starting eleven. Not sure, with possibly the exception of Hendrick, that any of the signimgs in the last 12 months have actually done that. In addition we failed miserably again in the loan market, appears pointless even bothering with that to be honest.

Winstonswhite · Post by **Winstonswhite** » Sun May 21, 2017 6:54 pm

KRBFC wrote:If you believe everything players say then I guess so. If Defour was asked at the players do if he enjoyed it here, do you think he'd say what he really felt or tell us what we want to hear?

KBRFC you slagged off Dyche last season but he's got (virtually) the same set of players to 16th in the Premier League- (or to a couple of wins away from top ten) In all seriousness where do you think a manager of your choice should get us to?

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun May 21, 2017 6:58 pm

At least KRBFC is consistent in his role as leader of the Dyche Out campaign.

Surprised they haven't registered for election, like the Rovers fan has done to get Venkys out.

Belgianclaret · Post by **Belgianclaret** » Sun May 21, 2017 6:59 pm

No one can seriously contest it's been an incredible achievement to survive the first season as we did.

The gaffer and the players deserve all the plaudits for that.

We do however need a major player overhaul if you ask me, as I fear we won't be able to survive doing the same next season. More speed and quality on the ball needed, and also more tactical flexibility if I dare say so.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sun May 21, 2017 6:59 pm

SkiptonClaret wrote:Saved, ultimately, by the absolute mediocrity of the division. 15 point gap between 7th and 8th ? Rest mich of a muchness aside form Middlesbrough and a hapless Sunderland.

And that's been pretty much the same for the last few seasons. No better or worse. Would Leicester have won the league if most of the teams weren't mediocre?

Two years ago we lost 4-0 to West Brom, but I'd say they have a far better side this time.

boyyanno · Post by **boyyanno** » Sun May 21, 2017 7:00 pm

Sidney1st wrote:We have strikers who can score, it's better service they need.

Vokes can score a decent amount for a target man. Gray on the other hand has had a poor season. He missed a dynamite chance today that, had it gone in, would have changed the outcome of the game. It may not be popular, but at premier league level you have to take those chances. I'm far from convinced he's the natural finisher most fans portray him as.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun May 21, 2017 7:02 pm

boyyanno wrote:Vokes can score a decent amount for a target man. Gray on the other hand has had a poor season. He missed a dynamite chance today that, had it gone in, would have changed the outcome of the game. It may not be popular, but at premier league level you have to take those chances. I'm far from convinced he's the natural finisher most fans portray him as.

Fair points.

How many strikers are there in the lower half of the PL who consistently score more then Vokes did this season?

SkiptonClaret · Post by **SkiptonClaret** » Sun May 21, 2017 7:04 pm

Spijed wrote:And that's been pretty much the same for the last few seasons. No better or worse. Would Leicester have won the league if most of the teams weren't mediocre?

Two years ago we lost 4-0 to West Brom, but I'd say they have a far better side this time.

Not sure there's been such a big points gap between 6th/7th and the rest ? I stand to be corrected. However there's no denying that there's alot of poor teams in the division.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Sun May 21, 2017 7:11 pm

Top scorers among players who don't play for the top 7:

King (Bournemouth) 16
Benteke (Palace) 15
Defoe (Sunderland) 15
Llorente (Swansea) 15
Vardy (Leicester) 13
Then we're into Deeney & Vokes on 10.

Obviously it would be nice to get other players with more than 10 goals - Kane, Lukaku, Sanchez, Costa, Aguero, Alli, Ibrahimovic, Hazard, Heung-min, Coutinho, Mane, Giroud, Firmino - but they won't come cheap! Actually, looking at that list shows what a huge gap there is between the top 6 and the rest. Barring the wildcard Lukaku at Everton, it would be difficult to imagine any of the second list playing outside the "big six"; and difficult to imagine any of the first list playing at the "big six". There's no overlap between the lists.

boyyanno · Post by **boyyanno** » Sun May 21, 2017 7:12 pm

Sidney1st wrote:Fair points.

How many strikers are there in the lower half of the PL who consistently score more then Vokes did this season?

I actually agree with you on Vokes, I do believe he's good enough for a low end premier league club, and I think he's capable of ten a year, respectable for a target man in this division by anyone's standards. Ideally we will need an out and out finisher though, what worries me is that because Gray has pace, and we lack it, he has to play

what_no_pies · Post by **what_no_pies** » Sun May 21, 2017 7:16 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:10 points home and away. That has to improve going into next season. Just one home win in that time.

This is why away form needs to improve next season as home form alone wont be enough.

Confident we will get the right players in.

Home form alone wasn't going to be enough this season either...