Andre Gray

Claret1992 · Post by **Claret1992** » Sun May 21, 2017 6:58 pm

Is it just me or does Andre not look interested, every single match he doesn't fail in aggregating me with his lack of effort. Personally I would have thought he'd of kicked on after his hat-rick against Sunderland, but it just doesn't seem to have happened.

I'm certainly far from being a manager but when compared with Ings by a number of Clarets I couldn't help but laugh, however with the transfer kitty bound to be furthermore increased from 2016/17, do we think he. Will leave? And who would you replace him with, there are a number of other candidates I would like to see replaced with someone fresh but that's another matter.

Troy Deeney if available and with the slightest possibility I would push through this deal as I feel he could fit the mould alongside Jay Rod with his lack of game time under Puel, here's hoping but in the end we've had a fantastic season and hats off to all the lads as they have certainly worked hard as a team through grit and determination. UTC

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun May 21, 2017 7:00 pm

Deeney will cost in excess of £20 million plus wages, same with Jay Rod.

You're recommending we spend £40 million to replace Gray?

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Sun May 21, 2017 7:01 pm

Jay Rod? Just no.

Deeney, again, would take a massive amount of cash to pry him away, and a massive wage.

Wilsdenclaret · Post by **Wilsdenclaret** » Sun May 21, 2017 7:02 pm

Thought he was excellent first half today and worked his socks off.............essential we keep him

S0S-1971 · Post by **S0S-1971** » Sun May 21, 2017 7:03 pm

Sidney1st wrote:Deeney will cost in excess of £20 million plus wages, same with Jay Rod.

You're recommending we spend £40 million to replace Gray?

Minus the fee for selling a Gray and his wages , he's simply not good enough for the Premier league .

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Sun May 21, 2017 7:04 pm

Claret1992 wrote:Is it just me or does Andre not look interested,

Yes it probably is just you.

A disinterested player wouldn't be running the channels after virtual lost causes, or getting himself into goal scoring positions or chasing defenders down and applauding his fellow team mates for decent balls.

Claret1992 · Post by **Claret1992** » Sun May 21, 2017 7:06 pm

I've watched game in game out, literally I'm overweight and play five a side once a week and I run more than him, yes not as quick but today he should have made sure he gave Collins a lesson, but no.

As for replacements I don't know, yes I said deeney and jay rod as I think they would work but would cost around 30 mill, but if gray goes and Keane then why not lump some money on a couple of strikers, whoever they may be.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun May 21, 2017 7:07 pm

S0S-1971 wrote:Minus the fee for selling a Gray and his wages , he's simply not good enough for the Premier league .

Based on his first disrupted season?
9 league goals wasn't it?

Claret1992 · Post by **Claret1992** » Sun May 21, 2017 7:09 pm

Have people been watching a different back end to the season, Gray has been shocking! Literally meant to be our number one performer and he's not anywhere near to player of the year, what does that say? If Gray didnt run now and again then he literally would be a statue; just simply not good enough going forward for where we need to be at next season.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Sun May 21, 2017 7:09 pm

Should probably have scored twice today but did set one up and made a few good runs in the first half. He'd have benefitted more in the second if we'd had Defour on the pitch at the same time.

Arfield staying on was baffling today.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Sun May 21, 2017 7:10 pm

If you're wanting his replacement to fit our style it's crouch.

If your wanting it to be like for like it's long.

If your wanting an upgrade on goals, how long have you got ( both aforementioned could match his tally th from this year easily )

Claret1992 · Post by **Claret1992** » Sun May 21, 2017 7:10 pm

How is 9 goals for a striker good? I'm dumbfounded, did knowone see the amount of chances the guy spurned today? Most notably his shocking back heel when Brady had broken into the area?!

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun May 21, 2017 7:13 pm

Is 9 goals bad for a striker in his first season in the top flight that also included a ban and time on the bench?

Claret1992 · Post by **Claret1992** » Sun May 21, 2017 7:15 pm

So if I were to say the calibre of players in each position we should be looking at would be:

Robertson & maguire Hull
Hughes derby
A new winger but I don't know who
Someone like Deeney or Abraham

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Sun May 21, 2017 7:15 pm

Sidney1st wrote:Is 9 goals bad for a striker in his first season in the top flight that also included a ban and time on the bench?

Take out pens and the 1 good game v a Sunday league defence and it's a pitifullreturn. Not beyond the abilities of Martin Patterson

Wilsdenclaret · Post by **Wilsdenclaret** » Sun May 21, 2017 7:16 pm

9 goals in a first PL season is very good indeed, he will get better and better hence the interest from clubs much bigger than us

taio · Post by **taio** » Sun May 21, 2017 7:17 pm

Decent enough return by Gray this season.

Claret1992 · Post by **Claret1992** » Sun May 21, 2017 7:17 pm

With his pace and 15/16 campaign, he should be bagging 15 or so but what do I know, you all seem to think he's amazing.

Slurpy · Post by **Slurpy** » Sun May 21, 2017 7:18 pm

Andre Gray is irreplaceable get a grip.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Sun May 21, 2017 7:18 pm

Claret1992 wrote:So if I were to say the calibre of players in each position we should be looking at would be:

Robertson & maguire Hull
Hughes derby
A new winger but I don't know who
Someone like Deeney or Abraham

Would you give Abraham any more time if he didn't get the amount of goals that you think a forward should get in his first season in the Premier League?

Claret1992 · Post by **Claret1992** » Sun May 21, 2017 7:20 pm

Well he clearly is replaceable, seeming as though Barnes and Vokes have managed to keep him out the team more games than expected, open your eyes and realise minus the Sunderland game he's got 6!

boyyanno · Post by **boyyanno** » Sun May 21, 2017 7:20 pm

How many "important" goals has Gray scored this year? I:e winners or equalisers? He seems only to score in games when we're playing well or winning (but I'm happy to be proven wrong). I'm just not sure that when push comes to shove and we need someone to slot a chance away that he's the best man for the job, and being our star striker that isn't good enough for me. He runs a lot, but he doesn't offer that much to the team as a whole.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun May 21, 2017 7:20 pm

Claret1992 wrote:With his pace and 15/16 campaign, he should be bagging 15 or so but what do I know, you all seem to think he's amazing.

Point out where we've said he's amazing.

Maybe your expectations were too high?

He's got 9 goals, not a bad effort for his first go in the top flight.

Deeney got 13 last season and 10 this season yet people prefer him to Gray.

Claret1992 · Post by **Claret1992** » Sun May 21, 2017 7:21 pm

As for Abraham I would try to get him on loan and see if we can sort out a permanent deal if he fits our team well.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun May 21, 2017 7:21 pm

Claret1992 wrote:Well he clearly is replaceable, seeming as though Barnes and Vokes have managed to keep him out the team more games than expected, open your eyes and realise minus the Sunderland game he's got 6!

So he's got 9 league goals then?

Whilst Defoe got 15 and still got relegated...

Funkydrummer · Post by **Funkydrummer** » Sun May 21, 2017 7:22 pm

When did you last see him head a ball ?

Serious question.

Not good enough for another season in the premier league IMO.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Sun May 21, 2017 7:22 pm

Claret1992 wrote: open your eyes and realise minus the Sunderland game he's got 6!

Minus the other games where he's scored then he'd have got 0.

Slurpy · Post by **Slurpy** » Sun May 21, 2017 7:22 pm

Claret1992 wrote:Well he clearly is replaceable, seeming as though Barnes and Vokes have managed to keep him out the team more games than expected, open your eyes and realise minus the Sunderland game he's got 6!

In terms of his attributes and what he offers to the team, you would be hard-pressed to find a better player for what we can afford.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun May 21, 2017 7:22 pm

Claret1992 wrote:As for Abraham I would try to get him on loan and see if we can sort out a permanent deal if he fits our team well.

How long would you give him to find his feet in this league before writing him off ?

Claret1992 · Post by **Claret1992** » Sun May 21, 2017 7:24 pm

Sticking up for him might be a start, Barnes and Vokes maybe similar in physique but have given more to the team 75% of the time. I would be the first to apologise if he proves me wrong next season but I doubt very much that will happen, and he may not even be at the club.

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Sun May 21, 2017 7:24 pm

deeny, never in a million years, i dont like him at all.
As for gray, just requires more service that's all. I'ed be frustrated if my role was goalscorer and it rarely came my way to do my job.
I think he does work very hard. Don't forget, if he squanders a few chances it doesn't mean hes crap, even kane and co fluff their fair share, the difference being they get about ten more chances per game due to the better supply line.

Wilsdenclaret · Post by **Wilsdenclaret** » Sun May 21, 2017 7:24 pm

Not good enough for the PL yet Spurs and Palace both very keen, sounds like we've already got carried away with ourselves

Claret1992 · Post by **Claret1992** » Sun May 21, 2017 7:25 pm

I haven't wrote gray off I've literally just massively expressed how disappointed I've been this season with his performances

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun May 21, 2017 7:25 pm

Claret1992 wrote:Sticking up for him might be a start, Barnes and Vokes maybe similar in physique but have given more to the team 75% of the time. I would be the first to apologise if he proves me wrong next season but I doubt very much that will happen, and he may not even be at the club.

No you won't be the first to apologise, you'll be hiding like the rest of the gobshites from the last few years who've whined about Dyche (KRBFC excluded).

Slurpy · Post by **Slurpy** » Sun May 21, 2017 7:26 pm

Was so frustrating today to see Gray go Off and Defour come on, wanted to see them playing together again.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun May 21, 2017 7:27 pm

Claret1992 wrote:I haven't wrote gray off I've literally just massively expressed how disappointed I've been this season with his performances

He's scored 9 goals with poor service.

Most people admit our midfield haven't done the job of providing decent service for a lot of the season.

SkiptonClaret · Post by **SkiptonClaret** » Sun May 21, 2017 7:29 pm

Claret1992 wrote:As for Abraham I would try to get him on loan and see if we can sort out a permanent deal if he fits our team well.

Yeah, can just see Chelsea loaning him to us.

Claret1992 · Post by **Claret1992** » Sun May 21, 2017 7:29 pm

Well I'm 100% behind Dyche and always have been, so that's an invalid statement. I just think we should be looking for a replacement

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun May 21, 2017 7:30 pm

It isn't an invalid statement.

If Gray stayed next season and scored more goals I seriously doubt you'd make a post saying you were wrong that's all.

Wilsdenclaret · Post by **Wilsdenclaret** » Sun May 21, 2017 7:31 pm

We realistically can't afford an upgrade on Andre and with the right service he could easily get 15 next year, whether we can accomodate a creative midfielder into our system that would help that is a whole other matter

Claret1992 · Post by **Claret1992** » Sun May 21, 2017 7:33 pm

So you're saying if he fired us into top 10 with over 15 goals I wouldn't hold my hand up? Seeming as though he would have done something we all want to achieve? Well I would because I literally only want us to get 3pts on the board each game.

Claret1992 · Post by **Claret1992** » Sun May 21, 2017 7:34 pm

Well I reckon sign Tom Cairney and surely he might get the service

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun May 21, 2017 7:39 pm

You're whinging about 9 league goals, I'm sure you'd find something to be upset about if he got more.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun May 21, 2017 7:41 pm

Tom Cairney has just 11 PL appearances, so he may not be the player you're hoping.

Ramirez looked great in the championship and bonk in the PL.

boyyanno · Post by **boyyanno** » Sun May 21, 2017 7:43 pm

Wilsdenclaret wrote:We realistically can't afford an upgrade on Andre and with the right service he could easily get 15 next year, whether we can accomodate a creative midfielder into our system that would help that is a whole other matter

I'm all for debate but that figure is based on absolutley nothing. 9 goals isn't bad for a striker in their first season, but he's been far from clinical, and again I raise the chance he missed today as an example. I can understand why some want to give him another go and I don't think they are wrong, they just have a slightly different opinion. That being said you can't say he could easily get 15 next year. The evidence so far is that he's hit 9 and been outscored by Vokes, who at a fraction of his cost has also offered far more to the team.

I had to eat dirt the other week when we won at Palace so I'll be happy to do so if proven wrong, I'd just like another option who is a better finisher than Gray. We have so few chances we need to ensure we take them.

Claret1992 · Post by **Claret1992** » Sun May 21, 2017 7:43 pm

It's a matter of opinion, I just believe he should have done better.

IndigoLake · Post by **IndigoLake** » Sun May 21, 2017 7:44 pm

I like Andre Gray but I don't think he's irreplaceable. It's important to remember that he's come a long way in a short space of time so we shouldn't necessarily expect wonders from him in his first Premier League season. But, based on the service he's received and the number of games he's played, he's offered a reasonable return. I'd like to see us play to his strengths more next season.

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Sun May 21, 2017 7:45 pm

Hoping he'll sign a new deal.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun May 21, 2017 7:45 pm

Yes he could've done better but to write him off is extreme.

Jay scored 6 goals in his first full PL season at Saints.
16 the next one before his knee injury.

With more team improvements this summer I think Gray will get more then 10 next season, closer to 15.

Claret1992 · Post by **Claret1992** » Sun May 21, 2017 7:45 pm

I absolutely love the work ethic of Hendrick, yes he doesn't often win motm but he's a grittty determined player who puts in 100% and never stops, never gets subbed, links up well and still has more in the tank when needed, thoughts?