Noel Gallagher.

hampsteadclaret · Post by **hampsteadclaret** » Mon May 29, 2017 9:39 am

Noel Gallagher is 50 today...a bit of background.

'Noel Thomas David Gallagher (born 29 May 1967) is an English musician, singer, songwriter and guitarist. He served as the lead guitarist, co-lead vocalist and principal songwriter of the English rock band Oasis. Raised in Burnage, Manchester, Gallagher began learning guitar at the age of thirteen. After a series of odd jobs in construction, he worked for local Manchester band Inspiral Carpets as a roadie and technician in 1988. Whilst touring with them, he learned that his brother Liam Gallagher had formed a band of his own, known as The Rain, which eventually took on the name Oasis. After Gallagher returned to England, he was invited by his brother to join Oasis as songwriter and guitarist.

Oasis' debut album, Definitely Maybe (1994), marked the beginning of the band's rise to fame as part of the Britpop movement. Oasis' second album, (What's the Story) Morning Glory? (1995), reached the top of the album charts in many countries and their third studio album, Be Here Now (1997), became the fastest-selling album in UK chart history. Britpop eventually declined in popularity and Oasis' next two albums failed to revive it. However, the band's final two albums, Don't Believe the Truth (2005) and Dig Out Your Soul (2008), were hailed as its best efforts in over a decade and found renewed success. On 28 August 2009, following an altercation with Liam prior to a gig in Paris, Noel Gallagher announced his departure from Oasis and on 23 October 2009, he confirmed he would embark on a solo career. Gallagher would go on to form Noel Gallagher's High Flying Birds.' WIKI.

* WERE OASIS ANY GOOD..?

Oasis - 'Whatever' 1994

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Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Mon May 29, 2017 9:42 am

Yes Oasis were very good, one of the best.

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Slide Away was my favourite and their album of B sides, Masterplan, was better than a lot of groups main albums.

HatfieldClaret · Post by **HatfieldClaret** » Mon May 29, 2017 9:42 am

Mornin' Hampstead,

I thought they were an excellent group. Total dicks as people but excellent at what they did.

CJW · Post by **CJW** » Mon May 29, 2017 9:52 am

Talentless hacks.

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Mon May 29, 2017 10:23 am

Used to love them. Gone off them now abit but can't deny the output between 1994/1996 was outstanding. Only a handful of tunes there after though.

The opening 30/40 seconds of some might say is amazing. That tambourine shake!!!

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Mon May 29, 2017 10:25 am

BTW anyone seeing Liam tomorrow?? Been looking at trying to get tickets

DarthRob · Post by **DarthRob** » Mon May 29, 2017 10:36 am

By writing the songs for 'Definitely Maybe' and '(What's the Story) Morning Glory', Noel has, in my opinion, composed two of the most essential rock albums of all time, certainly in the last 30 years. I can't think of a single bad song from those two albums, and most of them are absolute classics. I think the rest of Oasis' material is best summed up by a Greatest Hits, but the first two albums are phenomenal and have to be part of every music fan's collection. Noel has a fantastic ability to write songs that just perfectly describe the experience of living. How many songwriters can lay claim to as many great songs, or as many songs that so many people know intricately, and hold in their heart as a favourite song?

Furthermore, Noel is always superb in interviews. I don't think he's ever given a bad interview, or one that wasn't interesting! Especially in recent years, he gives very considered answers, demonstrating a good knowledge of his craft.

As for High Flying Birds, the project seems to have re-invigorated his songwriting. Here's 'The Ballad of the Mighty I' from his most recent album, my favourite song of his for the last 10 years! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzQYtpjMjSo" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

taio · Post by **taio** » Mon May 29, 2017 10:44 am

Brilliant musician. As Sid has already picked out one of my favourites I'll mention another...Acquiesce. Superb song. Find it amazing anyone could refer to him as talentless

Rammy1968 · Post by **Rammy1968** » Mon May 29, 2017 10:55 am

Slide Away what a tune.

Although I agree Oasis produced a couple of brilliant time defining albums the rest was a bit meh.

Also can't stand Noel what a self important pompous pr!ck he is

Stalbansclaret · Post by **Stalbansclaret** » Mon May 29, 2017 11:11 am

Often derided as Beatles derivatives but for a couple of years in the mid-90s Britpop heyday they were truly gods

- Two great albums crammed full of top tunes
- As stated above ..."Slide Away" what a tune !, and then factor in the likes of Don't Look Back in Anger (all time best ever closing-time singalong tune ?!), Live Forever, Wonderwall, Cast No Shadow ,Champagne Supernova etc etc ...great , melodic tunes that somehow struck an emotional chord via gibberish lyrics !
- Liam Gallagher's absolutely fantastic rock star voice...somehow angry, sneering and yearning at the same time
- Those fantastic CD singles they released with some of the best B sides ever ....tracks like Half a World Away, Talk Tonight and Rockin' Chair just put out as B Sides
- As well as one of the last big acts to release singles of the nature they also did the free-standing-single-not-on-an-album thing when they released Whatever. Another top tune.
- That sibling rivalry and ridiculous behaviour...very entertaining. I remember Liam being interviewed on Breakfast TV after he had apparently been guilty of unruly behaviour on a plane. When the interviewer asked him what had upset him he said "some panhead who wants stabbing".... you don't get that from Harry Styles !

After that it all went pear-shaped in the obligatory cocaine cloud and it was pretty mediocre from Be Here Now onwards, although I do really like one or two tracks off that bloated hubristic mess....Stand By Me, Don't Go Away and All Around the World stand out amidst the dross. Really they should have packed it in then, as Weller ensured The Jam did for instance, but sadly elected to rust rather than to burn out.

hampsteadclaret · Post by **hampsteadclaret** » Mon May 29, 2017 11:15 am

7..yes mate I broadly agree with you.

I saw Oasis in 1996 at Knebworth [amazing] and I will see High Flying Birds at Twickenham in July [supporting U2] - they went downhill in the end and it's a pity Noel and Liam couldn't keep it together better, but there is no doubting the quality of the first two albums.

This is 'The Masterplan' ... at Wembley 2008.

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TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Mon May 29, 2017 11:17 am

Slide Away my favourite Oasis song also.

Definitely Maybe one of my favourite albums ever - and I'm a big Bowie fan so it's up against the greatest music ever written (IMHO !)

Master plan is also such a good album - just shows how many great songs Noel was churning out in those early years.

Whilst the oasis albums were not as good after Morning Glory there's still plenty to like for me on the albums and I really like High Flying Birds stuff.

If Oasis do get back together to tour - and I am convinced they will do at some point in the next 5 years - it will be one of the biggest selling tours in history.

Noel and Liam do seem to genuinely not like each other but the temptation of tens of millions each will at some point entice them to make up for a few months before the inevitable carnage ensues !

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Mon May 29, 2017 11:24 am

How the hell is he 50. Scary stuff.

Great band. Easily one of the best of all time. Anyone who says otherwise is saying it to be controversial or because they dont like noel or liam or both.

As ive got older (or as noel has) ive started to dislike noel. But still ana amazing artist.

You know what you get with liam. Whereas i think noel tries to be rebelious.

Either way great musicians with more great tracks and albums than many artists combined.

Going to see liam in serbia in july. I can imagine it being some atmosphere.

CJW · Post by **CJW** » Mon May 29, 2017 11:32 am

I guess I was just spoiled growing up listening to the true giants - Sabbath, Purple, Floyd, Cream and, of course, Led Zeppelin.
After those, everyone else just pales into insignificance and mediocrity.
The word "great" is all too easily applied (akin to "awesome") and has been for over 30 years.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Mon May 29, 2017 11:44 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote: Great band. Easily one of the best of all time. Anyone who says otherwise is saying it to be controversial or because they dont like noel or liam or both.

Aye, and not because for the most part they thought it was 3 chord rhyming sh1te.

I'd be a liar if I said I didn't like any of their tunes, only a couple though, but I feel sorry for anyone who puts them in one of the best bands of all time category.

They can't have heard a lot of music in the 90's, let alone in all time.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Mon May 29, 2017 11:48 am

Tell me a more succesful band of the 90s.

This is the bit where people say ah but so and so didnt sell more records or gigs or albums but they were better.

If the charaltans or the smiths or the stone roses or blur or whoever were better than oasis they would have had the same success as them. But they didnt.

Incidentally i actually prefer a lot of smiths tracks. But that fact is oasis were the biggest and best band of that era and probably of any generation of indie music then and since.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Mon May 29, 2017 11:53 am

You feel sorry ?

Save your sympathy - it's called having different tastes.

Music is about what makes the individual feel good - not what is technically the best piece of music. If that was the case we'd all be listening to Schubert instead of Steps !

Oasis are hugely popular and influential with a whole generation of fans across the world. I doubt very much whether these fans as you say can't have heard a lot of music in the 90s - they just chose to like Oasis more.

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Mon May 29, 2017 12:04 pm

It's personal taste. I think Alex Turner is the greatest English songwriter of all time. But thats my opinion.

Oasis inspired generations. Not just music wise but what they were about. Brought people together. Let them forget about lifes troubles and just ave it. Have fun.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Mon May 29, 2017 12:06 pm

TVC15 wrote:
Save your sympathy - it's called having different tastes.

Of course it is.

So it's not necessarily about whether or not you like the two singers or trying to be controversial for the sake of it.

Which is what I was replying to.

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Mon May 29, 2017 12:11 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Tell me a more succesful band of the 90s.

This is the bit where people say ah but so and so didnt sell more records or gigs or albums but they were better.

If the charaltans or the smiths or the stone roses or blur or whoever were better than oasis they would have had the same success as them. But they didnt...

The Spice Girls.

Kind of gives lie to your "more sales = better band" argument, doesn't it?

basil6345789 · Post by **basil6345789** » Mon May 29, 2017 12:15 pm

50! Makes me feel old.

IndigoLake · Post by **IndigoLake** » Mon May 29, 2017 12:19 pm

I grew up listening to the likes of Oasis and Blur on cassette tapes. Oasis are one of my favourite bands ever and I've listened to a lot of music over the years. I think it reminds me of my childhood and growing up and that's probably why I still enjoy their music today.

Went to see them at Heaton Park in 2009 and they were excellent.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Mon May 29, 2017 12:23 pm

Greenmile wrote:The Spice Girls.

Kind of gives lie to your "more sales = better band" argument, doesn't it?

Not really. Theyre a completely different genre.

Im comparing oasis with bands of the same type.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Mon May 29, 2017 12:24 pm

IndigoLake wrote:I grew up listening to the likes of Oasis and Blur on cassette tapes. Oasis are one of my favourite bands ever and I've listened to a lot of music over the years. I think it reminds me of my childhood and growing up and that's probably why I still enjoy their music today.

Went to see them at Heaton Park in 2009 and they were excellent.

Noel being 50 makes me feel old. But heatin park being 8 years even older

SalisburyClaret · Post by **SalisburyClaret** » Mon May 29, 2017 12:27 pm

Beatles impersonators who caught a lucky break - nothing wrong with that as they clearly had talent and came up with some good tracks - but Great?

Great is the Beatles, Stones, Bob Dylan, Joni Mitchell, David Bowie etc

Oasis are more in the Quite Good" category - imho

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IndigoLake · Post by **IndigoLake** » Mon May 29, 2017 12:30 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Noel being 50 makes me feel old. But heatin park being 8 years even older

I know...where does the time go? I lived in Prestwich for a time and listened to the first show from my bedroom window. I didn't know at that moment that I'd be going to see them the following night after a mate ended up with a spare ticket.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Mon May 29, 2017 12:34 pm

Stalbansclaret wrote:Often derided as Beatles derivatives but for a couple of years in the mid-90s Britpop heyday they were truly gods

- Two great albums crammed full of top tunes
- As stated above ..."Slide Away" what a tune !, and then factor in the likes of Don't Look Back in Anger (all time best ever closing-time singalong tune ?!), Live Forever, Wonderwall, Cast No Shadow ,Champagne Supernova etc etc ...great , melodic tunes that somehow struck an emotional chord via gibberish lyrics !
- Liam Gallagher's absolutely fantastic rock star voice...somehow angry, sneering and yearning at the same time
- Those fantastic CD singles they released with some of the best B sides ever ....tracks like Half a World Away, Talk Tonight and Rockin' Chair just put out as B Sides
- As well as one of the last big acts to release singles of the nature they also did the free-standing-single-not-on-an-album thing when they released Whatever. Another top tune.
- That sibling rivalry and ridiculous behaviour...very entertaining. I remember Liam being interviewed on Breakfast TV after he had apparently been guilty of unruly behaviour on a plane. When the interviewer asked him what had upset him he said "some panhead who wants stabbing".... you don't get that from Harry Styles !

After that it all went pear-shaped in the obligatory cocaine cloud and it was pretty mediocre from Be Here Now onwards, although I do really like one or two tracks off that bloated hubristic mess....Stand By Me, Don't Go Away and All Around the World stand out amidst the dross. Really they should have packed it in then, as Weller ensured The Jam did for instance, but sadly elected to rust rather than to burn out.

Gas panic. Later on . But still a belter.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Mon May 29, 2017 12:35 pm

Liams doing one of his first solo gigs at the Ritz.

He's donating the proceeds to the victims of the arena bomb.

Good on him

burnmark · Post by **burnmark** » Mon May 29, 2017 12:42 pm

His 50 best songs are on Absolute Radio 90's now if anyone is interested.

The opening to Slideaway and end of Masterplan guarantee goose pimples. Saw him twice last year, at Manchester and Lytham. The Manchester show is one of the greatest gigs I've ever been to.

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Mon May 29, 2017 1:21 pm

Bob Dylan should never be mentioned on these types of threads. He's so far ahead of anybody that's made music it's scary.

Anyway, here's Live Forever Glastonbury 94, before most people knew who they were.

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Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Mon May 29, 2017 1:23 pm

SalisburyClaret wrote:Beatles impersonators who caught a lucky break - nothing wrong with that as they clearly had talent and came up with some good tracks - but Great?

Great is the Beatles, Stones, Bob Dylan, Joni Mitchell, David Bowie etc

Oasis are more in the Quite Good" category - imho

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What makes them great and Oasis not?

Songs that stand the test of time?
Album sales?

I'm curious because Oasis ticks the boxes those people you've mentioned do.

TractorFace · Post by **TractorFace** » Mon May 29, 2017 2:55 pm

What makes them great and Oasis not? Songs that stand the test of time? Album sales?

Some people would say the same about Take That.

I saw Oasis in Preston before they released Definitely Maybe. I picked up a demo cassette, yes that's how long ago it was, at the same gig. Definitely Maybe is a good album and there's isn't a bad track on it, but for me, they are a case of diminishing returns. I bought their next 2 albums and hardly played them. I suppose I'm more into Grunge/Alternative and what some people class as Indie. Anyway, music taste is subjective. A bit like arguing about your favourite colour.

SalisburyClaret · Post by **SalisburyClaret** » Mon May 29, 2017 3:17 pm

What makes them great?
I don't think there's a single criteria like sales but I guess it has to include stuff like -
be consistently good across decades
be a major influence on other artists
set the standard in a particular genre
Be able to move across musical styles and maintain quality
Have an impact outside music - culture, poetry, fashion, politics, film etc

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TractorFace · Post by **TractorFace** » Mon May 29, 2017 3:28 pm

be a major influence on other artists

I'd go for this. It's why Velvet Underground are held in such high esteem - especially their first 3 albums.

Conroy92 · Post by **Conroy92** » Mon May 29, 2017 5:05 pm

My two favorite artists of all time are David Bowie and Oasis. Completely different, both great.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Mon May 29, 2017 5:07 pm

SalisburyClaret wrote:What makes them great?
I don't think there's a single criteria like sales but I guess it has to include stuff like -
be consistently good across decades
be a major influence on other artists
set the standard in a particular genre
Be able to move across musical styles and maintain quality
Have an impact outside music - culture, poetry, fashion, politics, film etc

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2 decades later and their first two albums are still highly regarded, how much more time do you need?
Influence other artists?
There have been some inspired by Oasis and other groups, but it was easier for the Beatles to inspire later artists seeing as they helped defined a genre.

Impact outside of music?
Poetry?

Culture and fashion - I think we can safely say Oasis had a strong influence there.
Politics - why does any band need to have an effect on politics, that isn't what they're there for, but I remember Blair invited Noel to Downing Street if that helps?

Film?
Supersonic was a good film, but I guess you're referring to their music being used in films?

Moving across styles?
They didn't need to move across styles and if they had then people would've accused them of copying the Beatles even more.

Did the Stone Roses move across styles?
Or the Rolling Stones, U2 etc?

Oasis were and are a massive part of Britpop culture, people don't listen to them because they wanted to hear different styles of music etc.

Nirvana are considered by many as great and they didn't move across styles.
In fact Noel wrote Live Forever because he didn't see why Nirvana were singing about hating yourself and wanting to due etc when life and music should be about living.

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RMutt · Post by **RMutt** » Mon May 29, 2017 5:27 pm

I saw Oasis in Preston before they released Definitely Maybe. I picked up a demo cassette, yes that's how long ago it was, at the same gig. Definitely Maybe is a good album and there's isn't a bad track on it, but for me, they are a case of diminishing returns. I bought their next 2 albums and hardly played them. I suppose I'm more into Grunge/Alternative and what some people class as Indie. Anyway, music taste is subjective. A bit like arguing about your favourite colour.[/quote]

I saw them at Preston. Avenham Park. I remember I am a Walrus being particularly good in the big tent, as were a lot of their own early songs. I looked it up to see when it was but I suspect TractorFace saw them the year before. Anyway when looking it up I noticed they once supported The Milltown Brothers.

SalisburyClaret · Post by **SalisburyClaret** » Mon May 29, 2017 5:34 pm

Sidney - you said it all with 2 decades later and their first 2 albums are still highly regarded.

Naff all in 20 years in other words!

They had their moment just haven't developed or moved on successfully

Seriously if you think they are in the same league as the Stones or Bowie then explain why

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Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Mon May 29, 2017 5:58 pm

SalisburyClaret wrote:Sidney - you said it all with 2 decades later and their first 2 albums are still highly regarded.

Naff all in 20 years in other words!

They had their moment just haven't developed or moved on successfully

Seriously if you think they are in the same league as the Stones or Bowie then explain why

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I haven't said they're in the same league as the Rolling Stones or Bowie, but I'm not a massive fan of either of those two.
What was the last truly great Rolling Stones album?
Not every single album they've released has been great, plus have they changed their style much?

Same with Bowie, not every album he's done has been considered as great last time I checked.

Oasis did have their moment, as do most great groups, but they won't emulate the Stones because they clearly won't be performing as a group for as long.
Same with groups like Kiss and Status Quo, both great who had their moments, but haven't released a truly great album for a very long time, (I know it's difficult for Quo with a founder member passing away recently).
Even U2 haven't done much for a while that could be classed as truly outstanding.

Oasis' moment defined the 90's for a lot of people, pretty much a generation, that's what some of us hold on too, how they made us feel then.
Slide Away will make feel the same in 20yrs as it did when I first heard it as a teenager.

That's what all great bands tend to do, they take you back to when you first heard them, their music is something you'll still voluntarily listen too years after it was released.

Bowie, Beatles, Rolling Stones, Elvis were from a different era and will always be viewed differently to Oasis, Blur, Stone Roses etc because they are all very different.

Maybe in 10-15 yrs bands will be declaring Oasis as a major influence on their music, maybe they won't, but it's guaranteed they will have listened to their music just like they will probably have listened to the Beatles etc.

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Mon May 29, 2017 6:08 pm

SalisburyClaret wrote:Naff all in 20 years in other words!

On an early post you said The Stones are great. Now what have they done since about 1970 odd? Or any of The Beatles since Lennon did imagine?

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Mon May 29, 2017 6:15 pm

It's all just opinion. Music defines moments in peoples lives. First time in a pub getting wasted, First time being with a girl etc etc. The music what was released around those times defines those moments and you attach yourself to those songs. Whether thats Live Forever, I wanna be adored, I can't get no satisfaction or Reptilia.

hampsteadclaret · Post by **hampsteadclaret** » Mon May 29, 2017 11:44 pm

Playing at a full house Maine Road in the [fairly] early days....Liam looking like rock star on this one.

Oasis - intro + 'Acquiesce'

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THEWELLERNUT70 · Post by **THEWELLERNUT70** » Mon May 29, 2017 11:51 pm

RMutt wrote:I saw Oasis in Preston before they released Definitely Maybe. I picked up a demo cassette, yes that's how long ago it was, at the same gig. Definitely Maybe is a good album and there's isn't a bad track on it, but for me, they are a case of diminishing returns. I bought their next 2 albums and hardly played them. I suppose I'm more into Grunge/Alternative and what some people class as Indie. Anyway, music taste is subjective. A bit like arguing about your favourite colour.

I saw them at Preston. Avenham Park. I remember I am a Walrus being particularly good in the big tent, as were a lot of their own early songs. I looked it up to see when it was but I suspect TractorFace saw them the year before. Anyway when looking it up I noticed they once supported The Milltown Brothers.[/quote]

They indeed did,it was at Manchester Academy 3 (as was). It was around 6 months before they broke.
Liam stood with the crowd for a couple of number of The Milltowns set.

I still have the ticket stub safely tucked away

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Mon May 29, 2017 11:56 pm

Not a patch on Paul Weller at that time though, eh?

Ightenclaret · Post by **Ightenclaret** » Tue May 30, 2017 12:31 am

Thought his last solo album was a well crafted effort, but I can't seem to like the fella after he said he doesn't need 'small teams like Burnley' in the Premier League, so hoped we'd get relegated.
Well, F You, Parker from Thunderbirds

SalisburyClaret · Post by **SalisburyClaret** » Tue May 30, 2017 7:07 am

Dyched

On an early post you said The Stones are great. Now what have they done since about 1970 odd? Or any of The Beatles since Lennon did imagine?

Really?

The Stones had a no 1 album this year - globally

The Beatles had already split by the release of imagine. They all had successful solo careers

Measured in financial terms?
Paul. He's made a lot of money.

Measured in terms of longevity?
Paul again. He's currently the least dead (Ringo always seems so close)

Measured in terms of critical success?
John. His work at it's height comes closest to fulfilling the Beatles legacy.

Measured in terms of consistency?
George. He didn't release much but what he did was of a consistently high standard. He may never have released a song as universally loved as Imagine but he never released something as staggeringly bad as The Girl is Mine either.

jdrobbo · Post by **jdrobbo** » Tue May 30, 2017 9:01 am

Love Oasis: Heathen Chemistry gets my vote!

Lord Beamish · Post by **Lord Beamish** » Tue May 30, 2017 9:07 am

I'd rather hear the sound of my house burning down than listen to an Oasis song.

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Tue May 30, 2017 9:13 am

Salisbury, I can easily make the same points about Noel.

djt2006 · Post by **djt2006** » Tue May 30, 2017 9:30 am

There is an argument for celebrity anonymity. As soon as I take a dislike to somebody I find it impossible to watch them or listen to them. I gave up on Oasis after the first two albums largely due to this and Liam's awful screeching attempts at singing.