May vs Corbyn...tonight at 7.00pm

taio · Post by **taio** » Mon May 29, 2017 9:14 pm

Struggled on one or two bits with Paxman but overall he did a decent job. Paxman is good at what he does.

dpinsussex · Post by **dpinsussex** » Mon May 29, 2017 9:16 pm

I would like to do x but none of my party agree is a summary of that drivel.
God help us if we have to go to war

john'sroseyspecs · Post by **john'sroseyspecs** » Mon May 29, 2017 9:16 pm

ElectroClaret wrote:Did well under fire.

I hate myself for saying this but i agree. Wobbled a couple of times. Voice getting a bit strained. Think Paxo should have just asked one question after another instead of going back to the same one

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Mon May 29, 2017 9:17 pm

dpinsussex wrote:I would like to do x but none of my party agree is a summary of that drivel.
God help us if we have to go to war

He went with the will of his party...

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Mon May 29, 2017 9:17 pm

Big T up now.....

dpinsussex · Post by **dpinsussex** » Mon May 29, 2017 9:18 pm

Sidney1st wrote:He went with the will of his party...

Clearly a sheep not a leader

Darthlaw · Post by **Darthlaw** » Mon May 29, 2017 9:20 pm

To surmise my opinion from tonight:

Corbyn -
Pro's
Nice fella and very devoted to his cause.
Determined socialist and clearly will not stop until he looks after the poorest in society.

Con's
Morally, I question his capability to follow up on his manifesto when his opinion is at odds with elements of it. - Nuclear renewal, etc.
Same with members of his cabinet - The police question.
I still question his commitment to safeguard UK lives should a quick decision be required to kill someone- The jihadi john scenario.
The IRA / Hammas stance still has me concerned but I understand to a degree his explanation of his motives. Unfortunately as he's pushing a manifesto which is at odds with his opinions, and his hesitance to vocalise his genuine opinion, I don't totally trust him.

Intrigued to see what happens with May, next.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Mon May 29, 2017 9:23 pm

dpinsussex wrote:Clearly a sheep not a leader

Or a good leader who listens to his party...

USC · Post by **USC** » Mon May 29, 2017 9:24 pm

dpinsussex wrote:Clearly a sheep not a leader

Or someone who believes in democracy?!

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Mon May 29, 2017 9:25 pm

Paxman as usual made it all about himself, never let's anyone answer a question, asks pointless questions about the Queen etc. He's one guy I most definitely wouldn't **** on if he was on fire, the sooner he gets off the TV the better

dermotdermot · Post by **dermotdermot** » Mon May 29, 2017 9:26 pm

Sidney1st wrote:Or a good leader who listens to his party...

His party - the PLP - don't want him as leader. Does he listen? No he doesn't.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon May 29, 2017 9:27 pm

dpinsussex wrote:Clearly a sheep not a leader

Theresa May opposed Brexit. clearly she's a sheep for invoking Article 50.

Of course this is ridiculous, but then this is your logic we're using.

Goalposts · Post by **Goalposts** » Mon May 29, 2017 9:27 pm

dedicated idealist with a believe that the world will come to his view one day...therefore ultimately a fantasist.

wont support companies that grow the economy with tax breaks or such but will pour money into social welfare for people that need looking after and make no differentiation for those that sponge of it. the issue isn't schools its the the stupidity and the attitude of a lot of parents who think that the state needs to do everything for them, how the hell do you tackle that

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Mon May 29, 2017 9:28 pm

dermotdermot wrote:His party - the PLP - don't want him as leader. Does he listen? No he doesn't.

How many leadership elections has he lost since he won his first one?

USC · Post by **USC** » Mon May 29, 2017 9:28 pm

dermotdermot wrote:His party - the PLP - don't want him as leader. Does he listen? No he doesn't.

Just how do you think he became leader then? I thought there was a vote by members of his party and he won.

simonclaret · Post by **simonclaret** » Mon May 29, 2017 9:29 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:pointless questions about the Queen etc

Why do you think it was a pointless question?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon May 29, 2017 9:29 pm

dermotdermot wrote:His party - the PLP - don't want him as leader. Does he listen? No he doesn't.

The majority of MPs opposed brexit, but they applied the will of the majority of the people and you're glad they did, so why are you now advocating that the opinion of MPs should count more than the people who voted for Corbyn?

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Mon May 29, 2017 9:31 pm

simonclaret wrote:Why do you think it was a pointless question?

Corbyn doesn't see the point in a monarchy.
The Labour party haven't mentioned the monarchy in their manifesto because as a party they decided to leave it in place and as party leader Corbyn followed the will of the party.

It was fairly pointless asking him why he hasn't pushed to get rid of the monarchy.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Mon May 29, 2017 9:32 pm

Did someone just say they voted leave due to the alleged NHS money promise?

Wow.

wickdkewlclaret · Post by **wickdkewlclaret** » Mon May 29, 2017 9:33 pm

She's failed on giving true answers regarding qustions on police numbers, education and healthcare, so far.

john'sroseyspecs · Post by **john'sroseyspecs** » Mon May 29, 2017 9:34 pm

Sidney1st wrote:Did someone just say they voted leave due to the alleged NHS money promise?

Wow.

She's young and thus stupid.

simonclaret · Post by **simonclaret** » Mon May 29, 2017 9:34 pm

Sidney1st wrote:Did someone just say they voted leave due to the alleged NHS money promise?

Wow.

And asserted that many other people voted on that basis.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Mon May 29, 2017 9:35 pm

Wearing the same outfit as the one when she's was holding Trumps hand.

I'd have thought she'd have bleached it after being touched by him.

lucs86 · Post by **lucs86** » Mon May 29, 2017 9:35 pm

Theresa May, lots of words but saying nothing

taio · Post by **taio** » Mon May 29, 2017 9:35 pm

wickdkewlclaret wrote:She's failed on giving true answers regarding qustions on police numbers, education and healthcare, so far.

In what way? For example she clearly said there are 20,000 fewer police officers. Is that a wrong figure?

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Mon May 29, 2017 9:36 pm

simonclaret wrote:Why do you think it was a pointless question?

Because it has zero relevance to anything important. Paxman had 15 mins to ask serious questions about funding, NHS, security etc etc and we get one about the ******* Queen

It was like the last election when one of his questions to Milliband was something about the uk public preferring his brother. The guy is just a ******* self important gimp

SammyBoy · Post by **SammyBoy** » Mon May 29, 2017 9:36 pm

Sidney1st wrote:Corbyn doesn't see the point in a monarchy.
The Labour party haven't mentioned the monarchy in their manifesto because as a party they decided to leave it in place and as party leader Corbyn followed the will of the party.

It was fairly pointless asking him why he hasn't pushed to get rid of the monarchy.

I remember a while ago Corbyn saying that whilst he'd personally be in favour of abolishing the monarchy, it's evident how much the general public loves them and therefore not an argument worth pursuing.

Wexford_Claret · Post by **Wexford_Claret** » Mon May 29, 2017 9:36 pm

'Audience laughing in PMs face is never a good look'

And before someone accuses me of quoting some left-wing, liberal loony- that was from a Sun journalist. Finally people are beginning to appreciate the fact that she's about as strong and stable as a three legged table.

john'sroseyspecs · Post by **john'sroseyspecs** » Mon May 29, 2017 9:36 pm

A politician then...

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Mon May 29, 2017 9:37 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote:Wearing the same outfit as the one when she's was holding Trumps hand.

She's lucky he only grabbed her by the hand.....

john'sroseyspecs · Post by **john'sroseyspecs** » Mon May 29, 2017 9:38 pm

ElectroClaret wrote:She's lucky he only grabbed her by the hand.....

The special relationship?

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Mon May 29, 2017 9:39 pm

Got to say Corbyn won the public questions round.

The Paxman round should be interesting.

USC · Post by **USC** » Mon May 29, 2017 9:39 pm

Wexford_Claret wrote:she's about as strong and stable as a three legged table.

Three-legged tables are the most stable kind!

Wexford_Claret · Post by **Wexford_Claret** » Mon May 29, 2017 9:40 pm

USC wrote:Three-legged tables are the most stable kind!

A four legged table missing a leg then!

taio · Post by **taio** » Mon May 29, 2017 9:41 pm

Thought they performed equally in the questions from the audience. See how May goes on with Paxman next.

CrosspoolClarets · Post by **CrosspoolClarets** » Mon May 29, 2017 9:41 pm

Corbyn did well with the audience, as one would expect.

He looked battered and bruised after Paxman, I love it when the politicians (of all parties) get their Teflon coating bashed off by Paxo, who seemed to have the tactic of showing the public exactly what Corbyn believes in, i.e. not just domestic socialism. That's why I think JC appeals to 20% of the population and many of the others will have a ABC approach (anybody but Corbyn).

May blagged her way through the public. I suspect Paxman will go easier on her, let's see.

I wouldn't vote for either ideally.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Mon May 29, 2017 9:43 pm

Struggling to explain why she was a remainer.

Christ, wobbling like f**k.

dermotdermot · Post by **dermotdermot** » Mon May 29, 2017 9:45 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:The majority of MPs opposed brexit, but they applied the will of the majority of the people and you're glad they did, so why are you now advocating that the opinion of MPs should count more than the people who voted for Corbyn?

I wasn't glad that they did. I voted to remain in Europe. I'm still of the opinion that such a momentous decision shouldn't have been left to the general populace who on the whole are stupid.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Mon May 29, 2017 9:46 pm

She doesn't have to believe in Brexit does she, so long as she believes in making it successful?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon May 29, 2017 9:46 pm

dermotdermot wrote:I wasn't glad that they did. I voted to remain in Europe. I'm still of the opinion that such a momentous decision shouldn't have been left to the general populace who on the whole are stupid.

I stand corrected.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon May 29, 2017 9:47 pm

Sidney1st wrote:She doesn't have to believe in Brexit does she, so long as she believes in making it successful?

Agreed. You don't have to agree with a stupid decision to follow it through and limit its damage.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Mon May 29, 2017 9:48 pm

and just as predicted, Paxman doesn't interrupt May anywhere near as much as he did Corbyn, anyone else notice he's not waving the Tory manifesto in her face either ? The guy is a **** take of an interviewer

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon May 29, 2017 9:49 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:and just as predicted, Paxman doesn't interrupt May anywhere near as much as he did Corbyn, anyone else notice he's not waving the Tory manifesto in her face either ? The guy is a **** take of an interviewer

I'm not entirely sure that not interrupting her is doing her favours.

CrosspoolClarets · Post by **CrosspoolClarets** » Mon May 29, 2017 9:50 pm

Why can't she admit she was being loyal to Cameron for fear of the boot if we voted Remain

USC · Post by **USC** » Mon May 29, 2017 9:51 pm

I thought his first few lines of questioning (Brexit and Dementia tax) was just wasting time. But he was actually setting the whole thing up for a grand finale. Everything about her changing her mind and mistakes!

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Mon May 29, 2017 9:52 pm

He's equally tough on her.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon May 29, 2017 9:53 pm

lucs86 · Post by **lucs86** » Mon May 29, 2017 9:53 pm

The audience wasn't laughing as much at Corbyn

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Mon May 29, 2017 9:54 pm

Personally I think Corbyn came out of this looking better overall then May did.

This is possibly because he hasn't been in government recently whilst May has plenty that can be used to beat her with, both her own stuff and things the Tories have done.

wickdkewlclaret · Post by **wickdkewlclaret** » Mon May 29, 2017 9:54 pm

He's stopping himself interrupting her, whereas he didn't give Corbyn an inch.

As said above, it doesn't matter though because there is nothing but hot air coming out of May.