Dyche ------->Palace

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 4:59 pm

I'd expected Dyche to go at the end of the season gone, although changed my mind during the season.

I sincerely hope he stays but if he decides the time is right, he goes with my best wishes and gratitude for everything he's done for Burnley.

I'm not sure that Palace would be the best move, they're certainly a similar sized club to ours, just with looser pockets at present.

With my wealth of football manager career knowledge, I'd think he'd be wiser to do at least one more season at Burnley and show that he can adapt his style and progress the team again. Do this and he'd have bigger and better opportunities, I'm sure.

PIE · Post by **PIE** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 5:01 pm

This must be how the second season syndrome begins. 16th place finish and it's a battle to keep anyone at the club who can manage a squad or kick a ball.

Erasmus · Post by **Erasmus** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 5:02 pm

Sean Dyche will know that his standing is now at an all time high and may well go down next season if we can't stay up again. He must know that this is a real possibility and that his chances of moving on up the managerial scale will diminish. So I think if he does get an offer from Palace he may well go.

There won't be many better opportunities for him, and Palace are a step up from Burnley as the value of their squad and their recent spending shows quite clearly. I think Coyle felt the same when he got the offer from Bolton. At that time his reputation was at its highest point, but we were still likely to go down and that would have restricted his opportunities. I'm sure that's why he went when he did.

claretdj · Post by **claretdj** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 5:04 pm

fidelcastro wrote:Why would you not be bothered?

Because dyche been here nearly 5 years & he nothing else to prove now, so he deserves a fresh challenge & so does BFC.. utc

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 5:07 pm

If Palace decide they want him I'd expect him to go. This will be their 5th season in PL and so can be considered an established club now, and they've demonstrated previously they back their managers quite heavily. All things considered, it'd be hard for him to turn down I think.

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 5:10 pm

I have been told by someone I trust who has a track record that is decent that this is happening.

Call me a bullshitter if you wish but I rarely post speculation on here and, as I say, I trust this info.

Gutted if so.

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 5:12 pm

claretdj wrote:Because dyche been here nearly 5 years & he nothing else to prove now, so he deserves a fresh challenge & so does BFC.. utc

Nothing else to prove?

What about the next level? By that I mean us finishing higher up the league and/or having a real crack at one of the cups.

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 5:13 pm

jedi_master wrote:I have been told by someone I trust who has a track record that is decent that this is happening.

Call me a bullshitter if you wish but I rarely post speculation on here and, as I say, I trust this info.

Gutted if so.

Was it from pushpinpussy's next door neighbour?

Firthy · Post by **Firthy** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 5:19 pm

jedi_master wrote:I have been told by someone I trust who has a track record that is decent that this is happening.

Call me a bullshitter if you wish but I rarely post speculation on here and, as I say, I trust this info.

Gutted if so.

May the force be with you

SkiptonClaret · Post by **SkiptonClaret** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 5:20 pm

Astute bloke, Sean Dyche. Peak Dyche time reached at Turf Moor, go now or possibly never have get a crack at another PL job, realistically he aint going to better an offer than Palace, top half of PL would never go near him.

Jambounchained · Post by **Jambounchained** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 5:30 pm

I thought I'd be gutted at the thought of Dyche leaving but to be honest I'm not.

Don't get me wrong I adore the bloke and he can never do any wrong in my eyes but I think it might just be the right time.

I genuinely think he'll leave. No inside information, just a 'gut' feeling.

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 5:32 pm

SkiptonClaret wrote:Astute bloke, Sean Dyche. Peak Dyche time reached at Turf Moor, go now or possibly never have get a crack at another PL job, realistically he aint going to better an offer than Palace, top half of PL would never go near him.

...until he's taken a team to Europe

kaptin1 · Post by **kaptin1** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 5:34 pm

Holmeclaret wrote:It would be harsh to class it as an Owen Coyle moment. He's had 5 years at the helm and hasworked absolute wonders. He's been realistic about transfers and signings, ploughing money back into the club instead of frittering away. You can't question his loyalty.

Coyle left mid season for a local rival at time when stability was crucial.

And it's all just rumour at this stage.

I wasn't questioning his loyalty or what he has achieved. My point is that, while Palace have a stronger squad than Burnley (just like Bolton did), they have always been a yo-yo club. With the exception of last season's top 7 all of the remaining clubs have a reasonable chance of being relegated. Yes he would get a better squad to work with and yes he would earn more money, but his job security would be much reduced and, if sacked, it's unlikely he would easily walk into another Premier League job. Sometimes it is better the devil you know.

COBBLE · Post by **COBBLE** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 5:37 pm

Would like this to be resolved. Yes / No - just hurry up whilst there are some good candidates available. Another season of SD with continued evolution or a new challenge, I could convince myself it is the right time. I once believed Owen Coyle was God. Either way its Premier League.

Giftonsnoidea · Post by **Giftonsnoidea** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 5:52 pm

Now favourite with bookmakers

Its an odd one, a bad start there and he could be gone within six months as their chairman isn't known for his patience.

I don't think his playing style would suit their flair players either, so....doesn't really add up him going there.

As said previously his style really needs to gain a flair edge before I see him leaving us for pastures new....

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 5:53 pm

claretdj wrote:Are we really bothered if dyche goes? I'm not.. utc

I think you only need to look at what the club has achieved in the last four years and his contribution to it to know how to answer that question.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 5:53 pm

Managers of relegated Prem teams actually get jobs as has been demonstrated this season.

PutTheWheelieBinsOut · Post by **PutTheWheelieBinsOut** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 5:55 pm

Holtyclaret wrote:I'd have Garry Monk if the worst came to the worst or the chap at Fulham.

I hope Dyche stays for at least another season, but if he did go....

Garry Monk- No!. We have been here before appointing a guy to manage us in the Premier League who just got sacked from a championship club a month before and that didn't go well. He got the Swansea job on a technicality of just being there at the time. At Leeds he didn't under achieve or over achieve he did just ok. I can't see why he's so rated personally. We need someone to arrive and say right I'm here now take the club by the scruff of the neck and say forget last season guys and take the club and the players to the next level.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 5:58 pm

PutTheWheelieBinsOut wrote:I hope Dyche stays for at least another season, but if he did go....

Garry Monk- No!. We have been here before appointing a guy to manage us in the Premier League who just got sacked from a championship club a month before and that didn't go well. He got the Swansea job on a technicality of just being there at the time. At Leeds he didn't under achieve or over achieve he did just ok. I can't see why he's so rated personally. We need someone to arrive and say right I'm here now take the club by the scruff of the neck and say forget last season guys and take the club and the players to the next level.

Garry Monk hasn't been sacked by a Championship club

KefkaClaret · Post by **KefkaClaret** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 5:59 pm

It's a tough decision for Dyche to make should he be approached. He would get a better squad with more money and wages available to him but misses out on the job security he has here. It might also take a while for him to get going at Palace like he did with us.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 6:02 pm

i'd take it if I was SD. I can't see how he can do any more than he already has for Burnley FC.

PutTheWheelieBinsOut · Post by **PutTheWheelieBinsOut** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 6:10 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Garry Monk hasn't been sacked by a Championship club

Ooops my mistake, i'm sure I read he was about to be sacked, so I just presumed he had been, my mistake he did actually leave of his own accord.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 6:11 pm

Id need some convincing that Dyche being the favourite isnt based purely on the rather vague report in the Independent yesterday which has since fathered a load of second hand articles all over the internet. These arent huge markets and Dyche's odds arent that short so i'd expect there are just lots of smaller bets being placed rather than big bets based on concrete knowledge.

As i said earlier, the fact he's interested in exploring the Palace job doesn't in itself mean he's dead set on taking it. We all scope out options in our lives before deciding if we want to stick with what we have, and i also maintain any manager, including Dyche would use Palace's interest to make absolutely sure he's going to get the transfer market backing he wants this summer. Whilst he does have a good relationship with the board at Burnley, he has also expressed frustration more than once at our inability to get deals done quickly, for example. He might want to know that will change this summer.

Don't get me wrong, he might go (and he will eventually) but it all feels rather speculative to me for now.

boyyanno · Post by **boyyanno** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 6:13 pm

I wouldn't leave because I'm a Burnley fan, Sean is not.

Palace have more money and a better squad. The likelihood is we will lose the best centre half we've had in a long time and perhaps others. The task for anyone this summer is going to be huge and I think these things won't escape Dyche. I have a nagging feeling that our recent poor form could contribute to any decision he will make, in that respect it could be similar to Coyle. That would be the only comparison I'd draw between the two. Dyche has never preached about staying here forever, it's been very refreshing to have someone as honest in terms of being straight about footballs fickle nature.

Dyche has never conducted himself in a manner other than that of true professionalism, he's had great success here, and he would leave the team in the strongest position it ever has been if he went now. If he wants to go and we can't keep him then I'll wish him all the best, cherish the memories of the unbeaten run....and root for Palace to go down. I doubt he'd expect anything else.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 6:13 pm

claretspice wrote:
As i said earlier, the fact he's interested in exploring the Palace job doesn't in itself mean he's dead set on taking it. We all scope out options in our lives before deciding if we want to stick with what we have, and i also maintain any manager, including Dyche would use Palace's interest to make absolutely sure he's going to get the transfer market backing he wants this summer. Whilst he does have a good relationship with the board at Burnley, he has also expressed frustration more than once at our inability to get deals done quickly, for example. He might want to know that will change this summer.

I doubt we'll find it any easier to recruit players (early) than we have in the past.

John Johnson 1605 · Post by **John Johnson 1605** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 6:13 pm

COBBLE wrote:Would like this to be resolved. Yes / No - just hurry up whilst there are some good candidates available. Another season of SD with continued evolution or a new challenge, I could convince myself it is the right time. I once believed Owen Coyle was God. Either way its Premier League.

I can't see any good candidates that are available.

claretdj · Post by **claretdj** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 6:19 pm

Brendan Rodgers or David Wagner to replace Dyche I would be happy with..

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 6:27 pm

PutTheWheelieBinsOut wrote:Ooops my mistake, i'm sure I read he was about to be sacked, so I just presumed he had been, my mistake he did actually leave of his own accord.

He walked out on Leeds because he thought he wasn't going to get a deal beyond the end of next season. They say he was but then again, when would anyone believe anything that comes out of Leeds?

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 6:28 pm

ClaretTony wrote:He walked out on Leeds because he thought he wasn't going to get a deal beyond the end of next season. They say he was but then again, when would anyone believe anything that comes out of Leeds?

Stay or go, Tony. What do you reckon?

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 6:28 pm

DCWat wrote:Stay or go, Tony. What do you reckon?

Monk's gone

JohnDearyMe · Post by **JohnDearyMe** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 6:33 pm

I hope that the board already have a candidate(s) in mind so we can make a swift appointment when he goes

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 6:33 pm

Some drama queenery again on here. ' things are looking bleak ...' Etc. It will be a shame if he goes and he would be taking a huge risk but BFC should have contingency plans in place. They should have learnt from the Coyle experience. The club is bigger than any manager or player. The football hasn't exactly been scintillating and we would move on. If he does go it should be on basis of not taking any players. For me the Goalkeeper and defence are of paramount importance to us.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 6:46 pm

Blackrod wrote:Some drama queenery again on here. ' things are looking bleak ...' Etc. It will be a shame if he goes and he would be taking a huge risk but BFC should have contingency plans in place. They should have learnt from the Coyle experience. The club is bigger than any manager or player. The football hasn't exactly been scintillating and we would move on. If he does go it should be on basis of not taking any players. For me the Goalkeeper and defence are of paramount importance to us.

1/4 of the defence is already gone.

The club is of course bigger than any manager but it's taken how many years to find one to get us to this level? Good managers and good fits are difficult to find - if he goes it's certainly an opportunity but it's also a period of real uncertainty.

The ball would be firmly in the board's and a very difficult decision it would be. Those calling for Dyche's head might have a list as last night as my arm.

boyyanno · Post by **boyyanno** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 6:46 pm

I have to admit that the biggest fear I'd have is that he'd come in for Mee and Heaton or similar players. Hopefully we'd negotiate somthing into the deal, I think I remember someone doing somthing similar not long ago.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 6:50 pm

JohnDearyMe wrote:I hope that the board already have a candidate(s) in mind so we can make a swift appointment when he goes

This, I doubt very much.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 6:54 pm

I do think he's taken as far as he can, but of course it would still be a shame because I actually wouldn't mind finishing 16th for a few more seasons. But if it's to happen it needs to happen in the next few days. Replacing a manager with only a few weeks to go would be suicide. Garry Monk, I'd definitely be in favour for, but not sure we'd manage to pull him in.

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 6:57 pm

stay , and he risks relegation,

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 7:08 pm

DCWat wrote:1/4 of the defence is already gone.

The club is of course bigger than any manager but it's taken how many years to find one to get us to this level? Good managers and good fits are difficult to find - if he goes it's certainly an opportunity but it's also a period of real uncertainty.

The ball would be firmly in the board's and a very difficult decision it would be. Those calling for Dyche's head might have a list as last night as my arm.

The board seem to have a good track record of appointing managers though. Coyle got us promoted and prior to Dyche they appointed Howe. So that's three managers who managed to get teams into the Premier league.

Winstonswhite · Post by **Winstonswhite** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 7:21 pm

claretspice wrote:Id need some convincing that Dyche being the favourite isnt based purely on the rather vague report in the Independent yesterday which has since fathered a load of second hand articles all over the internet. These arent huge markets and Dyche's odds arent that short so i'd expect there are just lots of smaller bets being placed rather than big bets based on concrete knowledge.

As i said earlier, the fact he's interested in exploring the Palace job doesn't in itself mean he's dead set on taking it. We all scope out options in our lives before deciding if we want to stick with what we have, and i also maintain any manager, including Dyche would use Palace's interest to make absolutely sure he's going to get the transfer market backing he wants this summer. Whilst he does have a good relationship with the board at Burnley, he has also expressed frustration more than once at our inability to get deals done quickly, for example. He might want to know that will change this summer.

Don't get me wrong, he might go (and he will eventually) but it all feels rather speculative to me for now.

If I was Dyche and I had to choose between Mike Garlick or Steve Parish I know who I'd be more certain who would be able to support me in the transfer windows, and unfortunately it's not our current chairman.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 7:22 pm

There is nothing concrete anywhere to suggest he is interested in the job or they in him.If he denied every rumour about him he wouldn't have time to manage the team.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 7:29 pm

kaptin1 wrote:Could very well be Dyche's Owen Coyle moment if he goes to Palace.

claretdj wrote:Are we really bothered if dyche goes? I'm not.. utc

I'm just trying to decide which of the two is the most stupid comment.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 7:36 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:I'm just trying to decide which of the two is the most stupid comment.

definitely second one.

MRG · Post by **MRG** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 7:38 pm

Who would we like to see come in if Dyche was to leave?

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 7:39 pm

Gary Monk might be a decent call.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 7:41 pm

Fulham boss plays some good stuff.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 7:42 pm

Winstonswhite wrote:If I was Dyche and I had to choose between Mike Garlick or Steve Parish I know who I'd be more certain who would be able to support me in the transfer windows, and unfortunately it's not our current chairman.

Steve Parish acts like a Cockney wide boy and is quite flash with his money....often leads to ruin.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 7:42 pm

Claudio Ranieri

We need to add to our two title wins and overtake Spurs.

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 7:43 pm

I said Garry Monk on the other thread and he'd still be my first choice. Plays good football but always from a solid defensive base - his Leeds side were also very strong on set pieces.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 7:45 pm

I don't want him to go, but he has to move somewhere to try to match his ambitions.

Guess it all depends on whether he thinks he can do better than Palace.

claretdj · Post by **claretdj** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 7:45 pm

1st Brendan Rodgers. 2nd David Wagner. Both play the game how it should be played.