Incident in London

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 12:25 am

ClaretMoffitt wrote:You want to put Dianne Abbott in charge of our homeland security in times like these?

Go for it I say, this country is ****** anyway.

Who said that? I didn't.
Incidentally, I haven't seen any comment from the current Home Secretary on this so far. Where are our leaders?

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 12:25 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote:He has just replied.

You see things differently when you've got a child with you, see armed police yesterday, the only station that had them, and this morning I realised that the pelican crossing to blackfriars tube was blocked with bollards so vehicles couldn't get near, probably after what happened at westminster

Totally agree that we will all feel things more sensitively when you feel your child might be at risk. I certainly do. I'd agreed with my (then teenage) daughter that she could spend the day in London two weeks after 7/7 - 21/7, the day the second group tried to explode their bombs in central London. I was very relieved when she phoned me to say she was safe and heading back home again.

And my son has been up in central London today - and was safely home just before this incident was breaking.

I've also exchanged a few emails with a good friend earlier today - he lives at London Bridge. Pleased to hear that he is also safe.

The "ring of steel" has been in place around the City of London since the IRA blew up the Baltic Centre - and took out all the windows in what was then known as NatWest Tower. I'm not certain, but the bollards your friend saw near Blackfriars tube may be part of the "ring of steel" - or they may have been installed more recently. There have been a large number of barriers around Westminster since 7/7 (they may have been installed after 9/11) - I've not been that way since the Westminster Bridge "incident" (that word doesn't appear appropriate) - I'm sure there will be even more there now.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 12:25 am

1914tyrone wrote:What ever you believe or think will be the outcome. If we want a stop to these attacks then whom ever is on the watch list has to leave the country. You can not possibly watch them all!

My company sell WIFI That tracks shoppers and tells the store which part of the shop the shoppers have spent most time, what they have been browsing etc. I lost my IPhone and ICloud told me where it was. Ive got a fitbit that tells me exactly where ive walked today. Yet there are thousands of lunatics on the loose!

As I said above. Bring the troops in.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 12:26 am

Not sure how true but someone said something in Manchester now.

paulatky · Post by **paulatky** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 12:26 am

Greenmile if we are not careful our version of society will be dead if we do nothing anyway.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 12:27 am

Goalposts wrote:Cricket field in many instances you advocate sensibility but in this and your comparison. I reiterate utter ********

Enlighten us ...

LongsideFacingUp · Post by **LongsideFacingUp** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 12:28 am

USC wrote:So you state we should allow uncontrolled immigration from "Syria, Iraq, Libya" and its is those "those horrible zero hours contracts that basically force people to blow up children" and you think you present a logical argument?

Reductio ad absurdum

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 12:29 am

CombatClaret wrote:Was cycling across Tower Bridge (one bridge over) at the time of the attack.

Not going to turn me into a xenophobe though and help start the war they so desperately want . Will go about my normal business tomorrow.

Liked because it's not going to turn you into a xenophobe - and also you will go about your normal business tomorrow. I will be doing the same.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 12:29 am

LongsideFacingUp wrote:Terrorist: "Death to the west! Slay all infidels! Islam will dominate the world!"

Western liberal: "I agree. Western foreign policy is shameful."

Please stop bringing a full length mirror to put in front of the white flag waving appeasement chimps .

It forces them to temporarily put down their semi peeled bananas and take a long hard look at themselves.

Give em a break fella. They're simple , utopian dreaming, hairy backed basics after all!!

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 12:30 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Do you know what (aside from the immediate repercussions) is one of the worse things about these sort of things?

The amount of division and civil conflict it causes - and thats what they want. This forum is a small example of the wider feeling accross the country. Bickering, disagreeing, panic etc. Its exactly what 'they' want.

They? Who are they?

We are told that 'they' aren't all the same, or shouldn't be looked upon as the same.

What 'they' want is to kill people, and that's what 'they' are doing.

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 12:31 am

paulatky wrote:Greenmile if we are not careful our version of society will be dead if we do nothing anyway.

So we should do the job for them before they can?

And it's us "liberals" that are being called appeasers and white flag wavers.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 12:31 am

LongsideFacingUp wrote:Terrorist: "Make Western governments turn against their Muslim citizens so they come to us.'"

Idiots: "We should have the government lock up Muslims for opinions we don't like"

Fixed your post for you.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 12:31 am

Ringo

I can handle lots of stuff, but a complete refusal to read what I've put ON THIS THREAD is wasting both mine and your time.

I'm off to bed, and I'll leave you to it.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 12:32 am

Bin Ont Turf wrote:They? Who are they?
.

Terrorists. It's what they do.

Billyblah · Post by **Billyblah** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 12:33 am

A further demonstration of Britain's slack immigration policy over a number of decades.
The alarm bells should have started ringing as WPC Yvonne Fletcher was murdered outside the Libyan embassy in the mid eighties. Instead the perpetrators were allowed out of the country claiming diplomatic immunity.
Subsequently Syrians, Pakistanis, Nigerians, Iraqis, Iranians, Kurds, Somalis and all manner of 'exotic' characters have been running rings around our legal and social systems ever since.
Oh, and of course, I'm "racist".

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 12:33 am

They certainly are.

USC · Post by **USC** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 12:34 am

LongsideFacingUp wrote:Reductio ad absurdum

If you're retracting your previous statements that...

LongsideFacingUp wrote:Personally I think we should increase immigration from Syria, Iraq, Libya and parts of North Africa to show ISIS just how 'not racist' we are.

LongsideFacingUp wrote:The Tories are to blame. It's those horrible zero hours contracts that basically force people to blow up children.

...then I am pleased you have come to your senses.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 12:35 am

Billyblah wrote:A further demonstration of Britain's slack immigration policy over a number of decades.
The alarm bells should have started ringing as WPC Yvonne Fletcher was murdered outside the Libyan embassy in the mid eighties. Instead the perpetrators were allowed out of the country claiming diplomatic immunity.
Subsequently Syrians, Pakistanis, Nigerians, Iraqis, Iranians, Kurds, Somalis and all manner of 'exotic' characters have been running rings around our legal and social systems ever since.
Oh, and of course, I'm "racist".

Is immigration only the cause of terrorism if the terrorism is commited by brown people?

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 12:36 am

Billyblah wrote:A further demonstration of Britain's slack immigration policy over a number of decades.
The alarm bells should have started ringing as WPC Yvonne Fletcher was murdered outside the Libyan embassy in the mid eighties. Instead the perpetrators were allowed out of the country claiming diplomatic immunity.
Subsequently Syrians, Pakistanis, Nigerians, Iraqis, Iranians, Kurds, Somalis and all manner of 'exotic' characters have been running rings around our legal and social systems ever since.
Oh, and of course, I'm "racist".

At least you're self-aware.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 12:36 am

nil_desperandum wrote:Terrorists. It's what they do.

So there's a group of them, terrorising for the same cause?

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 12:38 am

Bin Ont Turf wrote:They? Who are they?

We are told that 'they' aren't all the same, or shouldn't be looked upon as the same.

What 'they' want is to kill people, and that's what 'they' are doing.

They are the terrorists. All terrorists are the same.

paulatky · Post by **paulatky** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 12:39 am

Whats your solution Greenmile.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 12:39 am

What we need now is a Cobra meeting.....

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 12:39 am

Greenmile wrote:So we should do the job for them before they can?

How is saying

"No more. Enough is enough"

Doing their job for them!?

Put it this way. The next time your in s pub ( presuming you venture out into the real world occasionally) and you experience gun fire. Some one tells you to "get your F***??** head down and dont move" And , thank God , you get out unscaithed. Then you say "we've got to do summat about this"

How would YOU feel when the islamic terrorist excuse monkeys say "YOU'RE doing their job for them"

Think about it then get back

wickdkewlclaret · Post by **wickdkewlclaret** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 12:40 am

All this happening under Tory government....

Vote Labour.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 12:41 am

wickdkewlclaret wrote:All this happening under Tory government....

Vote Labour.

Don't be a c*nt

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 12:41 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote:They are the terrorists. All terrorists are the same.

Not all Muslims are terrorists

All terrorists seem to be Muslims.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 12:41 am

Bin Ont Turf wrote:So there's a group of them, terrorising for the same cause?

I would assume different horses for different courses.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 12:41 am

wickdkewlclaret wrote:All this happening under Tory government....

Vote Labour.

Jesus wept

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 12:42 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:Don't be a c*nt

You started it....

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 12:42 am

paulatky wrote:Whats your solution Greenmile.

When someone explains to you why your solution would only make it worse, is this the only response you have?

Do you actually have a solution that won't make it worse? Or are you only interested in criticising others for having just as many solutions as you?

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 12:43 am

RingoMcCartney wrote:How is saying

"No more. Enough is enough"

Doing their job for them!?

Put it this way. The next time your in s pub ( presuming you venture out into the real world occasionally) and you experience gun fire. Some one tells you to "get your F***??** head down and dont move" And , thank God , you get out unscaithed. Then you say "we've got to do summat about this"

How would YOU feel when the islamic terrorist excuse monkeys say "YOU'RE doing their job for them"

Think about it then get back

My post was in the context of suggested internment.

Abandoning our values for theirs, and simultaneously running a huge recruitment drive for them, is doing their job for them. No two ways about it.

And calling people names does nothing to add any weight to your point.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 12:44 am

RingoMcCartney wrote:Not all Muslims are terrorists

All terrorists seem to be Muslims.

They arent. But thats another argument and I can't be arsed going there as this post will go massively off topic.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 12:45 am

Greenmile wrote:My post was in the context of suggested internment.

Abandoning our values for theirs, and simultaneously running a huge recruitment drive for them, is doing their job for them. No two ways about it.

And calling people names does nothing to add any weight to your point.

"OUR VALUES FOR THEIRS"

THEY DON'T HAVE ANY F******* VALUES YOU TERRORIST EXCUSING FOOL

LongsideFacingUp · Post by **LongsideFacingUp** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 12:45 am

After two decades of Islamic terror at least liberals have pivoted from 'Stop being racist!' to 'Well, what's your solution?'

Another 20 years and we might really get somewhere.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 12:46 am

RingoMcCartney wrote:THEY DON'T HAVE ANY F******* VALUES YOU TERRORIST EXCUSING FOOL

Oooh. all caps. Wipe your mouth.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 12:46 am

LongsideFacingUp wrote:After two decades of Islamic terror at least liberals have pivoted from 'Stop being racist!' to 'Well, what's your solution?'

Another 20 years and we might really get somewhere.

You have no idea who liberals are and aren't.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 12:47 am

See post 30

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 12:48 am

Lifeboats evacuatiing people now.

Clearly still ongoing and on the loose.

To Combat Claret and any others in the area stay safe

Burnleyareback2 · Post by **Burnleyareback2** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 12:48 am

nil_desperandum wrote:So with an election less than a week away and the only two real alternatives being Mrs May or Mr Corbyn, what do you suggest we do?
It's coming to something when the leader of the Tory Party makes Jeremy Corbyn look like the strongest option. Heaven help us all.

Seriously, Cronyn is looking strong? I can't imagine how bad things would be if he got in
(can't use the word leadership for obvious reasons)

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 12:48 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote:They are the terrorists. All terrorists are the same.

Terrorism - The unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

Terrorist - a person, usually a member of a group, who uses or advocates terrorism.

Someone who uses violent action, or threats of violent action, for political purposes.

Is a brainwashed student from Manchester the same as a Palestinian?

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 12:48 am

RingoMcCartney wrote:THEY DON'T HAVE ANY F******* VALUES YOU TERRORIST EXCUSING FOOL

I knew I'd regret trying to engage you in reasonable discussion.

I'm a glutton for punishment though so...

Lack of respect for British values like the rule of law is in itself a "value", and it's one that you seem to share with Daesh.

Everyone has values, it's just that some values are despicable.

If it be your will · Post by **If it be your will** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 12:49 am

LongsideFacingUp · Post by **LongsideFacingUp** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 12:50 am

If it be your will wrote:Just wanted to say thanks to Imploding Turtle, Greenmile, CombatClaret, PaulWaine, Lancasterclaret, and all others that have made sure this thread hasn't just been a tirade of unhinged hatred.

Yay for your team.

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 12:50 am

RingoMcCartney wrote:"OUR VALUES FOR THEIRS"

THEY DON'T HAVE ANY F******* VALUES YOU TERRORIST EXCUSING FOOL

And you wonder why you get labelled as a nutjob?

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 12:51 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Lifeboats evacuatiing people now.

Clearly still ongoing and on the loose.

To Combat Claret and any others in the area stay safe

It's turning into an episode of coronation street.

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 12:51 am

RingoMcCartney wrote:Not all Muslims are terrorists

All terrorists seem to be Muslims.

You really are a f#ckwit aren't you... if memory serves correctly you accused Jeremy Corbyn of associating with terrorists, but these ones weren't Muslim were they?

paulatky · Post by **paulatky** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 12:51 am

Turtle my first step would be to deport/intern the 3,000 on the police most serious concerns list.
If we had a referendum on that issue tomorrow I beleive 80% would vote yes.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 12:51 am

Just be aware "longsidefacingup" our pond based chum will shortly do what IT normally does at this point.

Which is to log out and log back in again under a different user name and make it appear that more than one white flag waving banana muncher agrees with his, Guardian reading, twisted agenda.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 12:52 am

Bin Ont Turf wrote:Terrorism - The unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

Terrorist - a person, usually a member of a group, who uses or advocates terrorism.

Someone who uses violent action, or threats of violent action, for political purposes.

Is a brainwashed student from Manchester the same as a Palestinian?

Have you been drinking turps?