Michael Dawson

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 9:04 am

Nixon linking him with us should Michael Keane leave

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 9:05 am

ClaretTony wrote:Nixon linking him with us should Michael Keane leave

Surely not as a replacement - a backup for Tarkowski?

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 9:06 am

Dawson has nous.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 9:07 am

Spijed wrote:Surely not as a replacement - a backup for Tarkowski?

We need better than Tarkowski

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 9:08 am

ClaretTony wrote:We need better than Tarkowski

I thought he looked fine when we played at Palace and played very well against Benteke. It's Kevin Long who seems to be the weak link.

Herts Clarets · Post by **Herts Clarets** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 9:12 am

Tarks at fault for goals v Bournemouth and WBA. The one at Bournemouth was particularly poor.

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 9:15 am

We will struggle to replace Keanes pace which constantly got us out of trouble. Neither Tarks or Dawson are suitable in that respect.

I think if SD does replace Keane directly with a Dawson or Tarks type we can expect to see the change of formation so many craved.

agreenwood · Post by **agreenwood** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 9:18 am

Well, if I were looking to replace one of the brightest defensive players in the country, I'd be looking at a injury-plagued 33 year old, whose last two PL seasons ended in relegation.

He's Hull's 3rd best centre-half. The second best (Curtis Davies) only managed a move to another Championship club.

colne-claret · Post by **colne-claret** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 9:21 am

No doubt we need better than Tarkowski.

Wilsdenclaret · Post by **Wilsdenclaret** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 9:26 am

I'd be pleased with this if he can stay fit

MiltonKeynesClaret93 · Post by **MiltonKeynesClaret93** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 9:43 am

33, still a good few years left in him. Would be a decent signing.

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 9:47 am

Tarks has hardly played for 18 months. We couldn't expect him to come in and be great. Replacing a England international and also playing alongside Long who has hardly kicked a ball at this level.

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 9:48 am

colne-claret wrote:No doubt we need better than Tarkowski.

That's a hell of a call for a lad who has hardly played for us. Given game time he will surely settle in more and as others have posted it isn't as if he was partnering MK or BM but most of the few starts was alongside Kevin Long

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 9:52 am

Dawson is Hulls best centre back - think he would be a good signing.

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 9:55 am

Dyched wrote:Tarks has hardly played for 18 months. We couldn't expect him to come in and be great. Replacing a England international and also playing alongside Long who has hardly kicked a ball at this level.

Seems like some have already decided tarka not good enough. (CT AND CC) Amazing considering how little he has played.

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 10:02 am

Well it was the post CT made that made me want to reply. He's always the first person to criticise anyone for judging a player after hardly playing.

colne-claret · Post by **colne-claret** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 10:02 am

I like Tarkowski but losing Keane will make us significantly weaker and we need better. An experienced centre half would be great. Not particlarly Dawson though.

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 10:03 am

Would see Dawson as the replacement for Long, not Keane.

We have shown we are willing to spend dough these days, we won't be replacing someone we sell for £25-30m with Michael Dawson.

SGr · Post by **SGr** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 10:14 am

What baffles me is if we wanted experienced back up, why didn't we just take Davis when he was available for 500k. Never miss an opportunity, to miss an opportunity

Walt · Post by **Walt** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 10:16 am

ClaretTony wrote:We need better than Tarkowski

Totally agree with this. I thought he was up to it but his run of games at the end confirmed to me he's adequate back but we need much better.

Dawson would be a good option with his experience even if it's only for 12 months whilst we source a longer term fix.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 10:18 am

Dyched wrote:Well it was the post CT made that made me want to reply. He's always the first person to criticise anyone for judging a player after hardly playing.

And I totally agree with this. CT usually goes bananas about judging a player too early. What's the difference here?

cblantfanclub · Post by **cblantfanclub** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 10:53 am

Have to come down on the Tarks was disappointing side. I had great hopes for him but his performances at the end of the season were suspect to say the least - you could hold him responsible for 3 goals and we can't afford to get off to that sort of a start next season. That said we are unlikely to get someone like Keane unless our foreign scouting network uncovers a gem.
Pre season will be a testing time for Tarks he will have to go some to prove he can hold that place down.

IndigoLake · Post by **IndigoLake** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 10:56 am

I think Tarkowski needs to given a bit of time by fans. Some who are now criticising him were building him up to be the next big thing earlier in the season. He'll come good for us.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 11:09 am

taio wrote:And I totally agree with this. CT usually goes bananas about judging a player too early. What's the difference here?

There's a hell of a difference. It wasn't judging a player but a realisation of where we are and what we need. We will need a central defender to come in and replace arguably our best player. if we don't want to weaken the side then we need to get someone in who is as close to Keane as possible.

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 11:13 am

Ally Robertson is the player we need from Hull.
Apart from getting skinned for England's first goal he had a decent game.
Dawson would be a backward step and we need to looking at players like Rob Holding at Arsenal

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 11:14 am

Woodleyclaret wrote:Ally Robertson is the player we need from Hull.

Liverpool according to the latest speculation

taio · Post by **taio** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 11:15 am

There's no difference. You've basically said he's not good enough. You were jumping up and down when anyone criticised Hendrick and Brady and rightly so. I can remember you having a go at me when I said Flanagan had been poor.

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 11:16 am

Bags of experience and a good player.

I think the expectation levels of some are often out of synch with where we are on the football ladder.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 11:19 am

So far, many of the links have been for players pushing or above 30. There's nothing wrong with a bit of experience and they will be cheaper, but I hope we are looking at some quality younger additions as well.

We have to try to keep the conveyor belt running and yes, they may be expensive, but play it right and there is money to be made.

ashtonlongsider · Post by **ashtonlongsider** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 11:19 am

If Keane did eventually join Everton, I wouldn't mind Jagielka as part of the deal. As for Dawson, good player and has been a terrific pro but I'm not sure if he's what we need.

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 11:29 am

Jagielka and Dawson are both too old for Burnley. Bigger clubs can afford to have their experience sat on the bench but we can't, and if we are buying them to start, we're in deep ****.
Maguire would cost a lot more money, but would suit us far better. The only catch is how many others might want him as well. At least we could offer first team football.
Liverpool were supposed to be after Robertson, but that could have been just paper talk. I would chase that signing until we hear the lad say no. According to Hull they had had no offers for any of their players a week ago.

jdrobbo · Post by **jdrobbo** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 11:30 am

He was so unbelievably poor at the back end of last season.

JohnMcGreal · Post by **JohnMcGreal** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 11:45 am

Good grief...

taio · Post by **taio** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 12:01 pm

jdrobbo wrote:He was so unbelievably poor at the back end of last season.

Don't disagree although it does need context - all sides would struggle replacing their two centre halves who were a permanent fixture until that point. If he's not good enough then he should be sold although I have faith he will come good. Comparing him to Keane who is brilliant would so unfair given he's our best player, an England international and will smash our transfer fee

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 12:10 pm

Ben Mee was at fault for over 10 goals in the season and has no real pace, are we getting shut of him as well? That's at the side of Keane as well, not a rookie defender playing in a side that had been wound down for the summer.

We either search the big clubs acadamies or buy abroad. We are only ever linked with championship players or players relegated every time they have played in the premier league.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 12:13 pm

IndigoLake wrote:I think Tarkowski needs to given a bit of time by fans. Some who are now criticising him were building him up to be the next big thing earlier in the season. He'll come good for us.

Quite a lot of people do that on here, even if they've not yet played for us. I remember people having Dyer in their starting 11 without ever seeing him play full stop, nevermind for us.

CFS · Post by **CFS** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 12:26 pm

Loovens from SW or
Aderabayoyo from city

WestMidsClaret · Post by **WestMidsClaret** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 12:59 pm

Has Tarks looked at somebody the wrong way!

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 1:00 pm

If we need better than Tarky then surely we need to be in for N'Golo Kante.

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 1:01 pm

FactualFrank wrote:Quite a lot of people do that on here, even if they've not yet played for us. I remember people having Dyer in their starting 11 without ever seeing him play full stop, nevermind for us.

Which Dyer?

I remember when we had Dyer 'ere.

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 1:05 pm

Dawson would be a good squad member, and would be a typical Dyche signing in terms of being an experienced professional. He's also got quite a good goal scoring record I think.

Very surprising to see some writing Tarkowski off already though, which is absolutely ridiculous. Yes he had a few poor games, but alongside Kevin Long in a partnership that hadn't played a minute of PL football at CB.

Claretmatt4 · Post by **Claretmatt4** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 1:11 pm

I thought Tarks was excellent when he came in the side. Playing alongside Mee definitely helped although Long also looked capable.

Can't believe so many are saying we need better. He may have cost us a few goals in the last couple of games but the team played poorly as a whole in those games anyway.

Give him a starting berth alongside Mee. On the right wages Dawson would be a good squad player with lots of experience. Curtis Davies would've been my shout but he's left Hull for a championship team I believe?

northeastclaret · Post by **northeastclaret** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 1:52 pm

I think we are forgetting how many goals Keane cost us when he was raw and learning in his first season in the premier league.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 2:15 pm

Far too soon to write Tarkowski off, there is a good player in there. To suggest he's ready to fill Keane's boots in the team is probably a little fanciful at this stage.

The problem we have is that the Premier League doesn't really give opportunity to bed him in and get him used to the demands of the league.

We need a quality replacement for Keane.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 2:27 pm

taio wrote:There's no difference. You've basically said he's not good enough. You were jumping up and down when anyone criticised Hendrick and Brady and rightly so. I can remember you having a go at me when I said Flanagan had been poor.

Well there's a big difference. It's not my fault you can't understand my explanation. You've tried to twist my words completely.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 2:30 pm

DCWat wrote:Far too soon to write Tarkowski off, there is a good player in there. To suggest he's ready to fill Keane's boots in the team is probably a little fanciful at this stage.

The problem we have is that the Premier League doesn't really give opportunity to bed him in and get him used to the demands of the league.

We need a quality replacement for Keane.

Which is what I was saying

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 2:38 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Which is what I was saying

Might have been what you were saying, but it isn't what you said.

You said we need better. He's hardly played. There's no difference in someone writing hendrick off after 6 games and you doing the same for tarka.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 2:42 pm

bobinho wrote:Might have been what you were saying, but it isn't what you said.

You said we need better. He's hardly played. There's no difference in someone writing hendrick off after 6 games and you doing the same for tarka.

I wasn't doing - and I explained it further that I think we need to get someone in as good as Keane or as close to. DCWat has jost posted the same. I wasn't writing anyone off at all. We saw the problems of Keane/Mee being out at the end of the season, and we need to be at the same level defensively next season as we were for the bulk of 2016/17.

Greeny · Post by **Greeny** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 2:46 pm

Tarks is a good footballer. Give him time to settle

taio · Post by **taio** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 2:56 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Well there's a big difference. It's not my fault you can't understand my explanation. You've tried to twist my words completely.

I wasn't intending on twisting your words if that's what I've done. When you said we need better than him it certainly gave the appearance you dont think he is good enough. Yet you have been critical of people who have suggested exactly the same of other players after a handful of games. I wasn't the only person to see your post in that way. I don't think anyone won't think we don't need another centre half but I've no idea whether the one who comes in will turn out to be better that Tarkowski.

And DC's post was different