Bidding war for £25m-rated Michael Keane

NottsClaret · Post by **NottsClaret** » Thu Jun 15, 2017 9:15 am

I can actually see him staying now. He'll play every week in a World Cup year and obviously get a ludicrous contract somewhere as a free transfer next summer, possibly finally getting that move back to United. We miss out on £25m but we're way more likely to stay up with him in the team.

He'll probably sign for Liverpool today now I've said that.

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Thu Jun 15, 2017 12:57 pm

Sky reporting that his interest in Utd has been dented by their signing of Lindelof.
Worried he might be on the bench.

It doesn't mean that he won't go to Everton, but as playing first team football is obviously important to him, then we still have a glimmer of hope.
Should he stay I would offer him a new contract with a big pay rise, a) he deserves it as an international and key player for us, b) it wouldn't stop him from leaving next summer anyway, c) we'd be back in line for a fee if he did leave next summer.

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Thu Jun 15, 2017 1:25 pm

£30M for Jack Buckland, £45M for Keane? Is he more than half as good as Pogba? I still can't comprehend why we let Trippier go for £3.5M. Anyone any answers as to why it wasn't £13.5 million or more?

Incidentally, he's learn more about having to defend with Burnley than he will at a bigger club.

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Thu Jun 15, 2017 1:28 pm

Pstotto wrote:£30M for Jack Buckland, £45M for Keane? Is he more than half as good as Pogba? I still can't comprehend why we let Trippier go for £3.5M. Anyone any answers as to why it wasn't £13.5 million or more?

Incidentally, he's learn more about having to defend with Burnley than he will at a bigger club.

He had a 3.5m release clause.

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Thu Jun 15, 2017 1:29 pm

Didn't think much of himself, did he?

Goddy · Post by **Goddy** » Thu Jun 15, 2017 1:30 pm

Think Trips (and/or his agent) insisted on a release clause of £3.5 m as part of the deal for signing a contract extension. Not the club's fault that he went for that money....it's the best we could negotiate, as far as I'm aware.......... (The alternative was for him to run his contract down and leave for nowt).

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Thu Jun 15, 2017 2:40 pm

My attitude to us giving away our stars on the cheap has been well documented on here and I wont repeat my views.
I do believe that we now have a better plan and can negotiate top money for our stars and avoid silly giveaways like the one Tripper and his agent screwed us with
We are a strong position to sign quality but must not dive in and pay over the odds either

claretdom · Post by **claretdom** » Thu Jun 15, 2017 2:42 pm

Woodley which was the better option with regards Trippier :-

He doesn't sign a new deal and we get nothing in 12 months

He signs a new deal and we get 3.5million in 12 months

I know you won't explain but I would love to how getting 3.5m was more screwed than getting nothing.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Thu Jun 15, 2017 2:49 pm

Woodleyclaret wrote:My attitude to us giving away our stars on the cheap has been well documented on here and I wont repeat my views.
I do believe that we now have a better plan and can negotiate top money for our stars and avoid silly giveaways like the one Tripper and his agent screwed us with
We are a strong position to sign quality but must not dive in and pay over the odds either

So you would rather Tripps have walked away for nothing than played for us for an extra season and we receive £3.5m ?

All this talk of the club allowing players to leave on the cheap is absolute rubbish. Every sale has its own individual set of circumstances and the price is determined by either the contract clauses or by simple economics of demand and supply.

I doubt very much you can name one sale where you can provide any evidence or rationale that we could have received more money that we got.

It's not fantasy football

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Thu Jun 15, 2017 2:49 pm

Our club has imo a fantastic transfer/contract policy. Yes it's a shame players leave Ings, Trippier and possibly Keane. But we can't simply offer longer contracts. For every success there's multiple failures. Just be glad they've been here.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Thu Jun 15, 2017 2:49 pm

If Spurs sign Ricardo Pereira then that's Trippier's route to the first team blocked.

This summer we should be in a position to pay £15m-20m to bring him back, and make him the highest earner. He'd definitely be worth it.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Thu Jun 15, 2017 2:50 pm

Claretdom - you got there first !

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Thu Jun 15, 2017 2:56 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:If Spurs sign Ricardo Pereira then that's Trippier's route to the first team blocked.

This summer we should be in a position to pay £15m-20m to bring him back, and make him the highest earner. He'd definitely be worth it.

Tripps is the best Burnley I have seen. However, whilst hope is a lovely thing you need to let this one go.
Even if Tripps does start the season as second right back at Spurs (and that's a big IF) he is good enough for virtually any club in the Premier League and probabay some top European sides aswell.

Graham Souness is not one for dishing out praise for the sake of it and only a few weeks ago after another great performance for Spurs said Tripps was the best right back going forward in the league and would get in any of the top 6 sides.

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:08 am

Just found this on today's Mirror transfer news...

Baggies slap £20m fee on Evans

Leicester City are keen on Jonny Evans.

But according to the Leicester Mercury, West Brom want £20million or are refusing to come to the table.

Leicester just splashed out £17million on Michael Keane.

But with Robert Huth and Wes Morgan both well into their thirties, Craig Shakespeare knows he must add further in that area.

Will they go back with big money?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/ ... r-10658240" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

news to me...!

ExistentialWanderer · Post by **ExistentialWanderer** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:12 am

Rick_Muller wrote:Just found this on today's Mirror transfer news...

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/ ... r-10658240" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

news to me...!

Oh dear! Wrong player, wrong club and didn't we turn down £20 million from them last season before he'd played for England?!

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:15 am

TVC15 wrote: It's not fantasy football

In that case I'm not playing anymore.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:49 am

claretdom wrote:Woodley which was the better option with regards Trippier :-

He doesn't sign a new deal and we get nothing in 12 months

He signs a new deal and we get 3.5million in 12 months

I know you won't explain but I would love to how getting 3.5m was more screwed than getting nothing.

With the added bonus of us keeping him should we have stayed up. Known as a, every ones a winner
( Apart from Woodley )

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 12:38 pm

Has he ****** off yet?

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 12:42 pm

KRBFC wrote:Has he ****** off yet?

No one wants to sign him.

Man Utd have bought Lindelof, and Everton have turned their attention to Chris Smalling, who's available following that signing.

Keane will either stay here all season and leave on a free, or we'll get about £8m for him, and he'll go to a mid-table team.

box_of_frogs · Post by **box_of_frogs** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 1:22 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote: Keane will either stay here all season and leave on a free, or we'll get about £8m for him, and he'll go to a mid-table team.

£8 mill? Not even close enough. For that money he stays and sees his contract out. We stay up another year = great result.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 2:02 pm

We've sold Rodriguez, Austin, Trippier etc for much lower than their market value due to them having a year left on their contract.

We'll get nowhere near what we think Keane is worth, when he goes.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 2:10 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:We've sold Rodriguez, Austin, Trippier etc for much lower than their market value due to them having a year left on their contract.

We'll get nowhere near what we think Keane is worth, when he goes.

We sold Rodriguez for £7m - which was our record sale I don't remember anyone at the time saying the fee was too low.

We sold Austin for £4m as the deal for Hull fell through due to the medical - and nobody else bid anymore.

It's already been said on here what happened with Tripps - so not sure why some fans choose to ignore this.

We made around £13m profit on all these 3 players. We also had outstanding contributions from all of them.

They all went on to play for England.

Why some fans need to find criticism in this is beyond me

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 2:17 pm

TVC15 wrote: We sold Austin for £4m as the deal for Hull fell through due to the medical - and nobody else bid anymore.

And this is exactly why we'll get nowhere near what we think Keane is worth. He's made it clear that he's leaving this summer. The club have made it clear that he is leaving this summer.

If only one club come in, and it's getting to that point as the two main contenders for his signature are signing other players, then that club can offer a pittance. Keane doesn't want to play for us, he can go on strike and then his agent can force through the move. Our board will accept £8m or thereabouts in that case.

box_of_frogs · Post by **box_of_frogs** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 2:18 pm

But we don't need to sell for money now. We can run contracts down if they're a high caliber player who will help us stay up and therefore earn us more money that way.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 2:20 pm

box_of_frogs wrote:But we don't need to sell for money now. We can run contracts down if they're a high caliber player who will help us stay up and therefore earn us more money that way.

Assuming that he still wants to play for us?

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 2:20 pm

If he refuses to play then we'd be paying £1.8m in wages to him and pairing Tarkowski with Long all season

ExistentialWanderer · Post by **ExistentialWanderer** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 2:21 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:The club have made it clear that he is leaving this summer.
.

Quite the contrary. The club have said we don't need to sell and have gone on record as saying if an acceptable bid doesn't come in we won't.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 2:21 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:And this is exactly why we'll get nowhere near what we think Keane is worth. He's made it clear that he's leaving this summer. The club have made it clear that he is leaving this summer.

If only one club come in, and it's getting to that point as the two main contenders for his signature are signing other players, then that club can offer a pittance. Keane doesn't want to play for us, he can go on strike and then his agent can force through the move. Our board will accept £8m or thereabouts in that case.

If we don't get an acceptable offer then we won't sell. And Keane definitely doesn't strike me as the kind of player to down tools.

box_of_frogs · Post by **box_of_frogs** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 2:22 pm

He's a professional on a contract. He plays well, he goes to a big club and gets 1st team football. He plays poorly and ends up at West Brom.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 2:22 pm

Rileybobs wrote:If we don't get an acceptable offer then we won't sell. And Keane definitely doesn't strike me as the kind of player to down tools.

When was his last appearances for us?

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 2:22 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:If he refuses to play then we'd be paying £1.8m in wages to him and pairing Tarkowski with Long all season

If he refuses to play then why would we pay his wages?

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 2:23 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:When was his last appearances for us?

Some time in April or May, was it Crystal Palace? Why, what has that got to do with my point?

taio · Post by **taio** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 2:23 pm

I don't believe for a moment he would refuse to play

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 2:24 pm

Rileybobs wrote:If he refuses to play then why would we pay his wages?

IE a cancellation of his contract, meaning he moves on a free and we get no money for him.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 2:24 pm

Rileybobs wrote:Some time in April or May, was it Crystal Palace? Why, what has that got to do with my point?

He's already downed tools

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 2:25 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:IE a cancellation of his contract, meaning he moves on a free and we get no money for him.

Yes, but he'd be unable to play until his contract ran out as we would hold his registration. I can't really see that being in Michael Keane's best interests heading into a world cup.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 2:25 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:He's already downed tools

Did he refuse to play for England as well? You're chatting utter garbage.

taio · Post by **taio** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 2:27 pm

Crikey some people spout some right muck

dpinsussex · Post by **dpinsussex** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 2:30 pm

box_of_frogs wrote:But we don't need to sell for money now.

Unlike that lot down the road that sell for chicken feed

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 2:30 pm

Has there ever been an explanation of his injury?
I've certainly not seen one myself.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 2:31 pm

It's widely known that he's been avoiding matches so as not to miss out on a dream move.

It's what players do.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 2:33 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:It's widely known that he's been avoiding matches so as not to miss out on a dream move.

It's what players do.

Widely known or pure speculation?

Admit it, you don't know and you're making it up.

ExistentialWanderer · Post by **ExistentialWanderer** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 2:33 pm

I can see a scenario where after he picked up his injury, knowing we were as good as safe. He may have asked Southgate and Dyche not to consider him, should a bid come in and he didn't want to risk a big money deal collapsing, but can't see him downing tools either.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 2:48 pm

Existential wanderer has nailed it. He didn't want to risk aggravating a minor calf niggle and missing out on his dream move back to the team he grew up supporting and playing for. He even told a Man Utd fan that he hoped to be playing for them after our game with them at home.

That dream move has gone sour, no one else is willing to take a punt on him at the high asking price.

It will get to the very end of August and he'll make a very underwhelming move for an underwhelming amount. He won't play for us again either way, despite there being 4/5 games before the end of August.

Juan Tanamera · Post by **Juan Tanamera** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 3:01 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:Existential wanderer has nailed it. He didn't want to risk aggravating a minor calf niggle and missing out on his dream move back to the team he grew up supporting and playing for. He even told a Man Utd fan that he hoped to be playing for them after our game with them at home.

That dream move has gone sour, no one else is willing to take a punt on him at the high asking price.

It will get to the very end of August and he'll make a very underwhelming move for an underwhelming amount. He won't play for us again either way, despite there being 4/5 games before the end of August.

Are you his agent/dad/Sean Dyche/all three?

ExistentialWanderer · Post by **ExistentialWanderer** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 3:03 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:Existential wanderer has nailed it. He didn't want to risk aggravating a minor calf niggle and missing out on his dream move back to the team he grew up supporting and playing for. He even told a Man Utd fan that he hoped to be playing for them after our game with them at home.

That dream move has gone sour, no one else is willing to take a punt on him at the high asking price.

It will get to the very end of August and he'll make a very underwhelming move for an underwhelming amount. He won't play for us again either way, despite there being 4/5 games before the end of August.

Asking the boss, or explaining things is not the same as downing tools though Upthebeehole. He may have said to Sean 'Look, we're safe, or barring a miracle we are. If something develops, I don't want this to scupper my chances of a move back to Utd'. Dyche, is a reasonable chap and probably weighed up the pros and cons and gave him a chance to look at Long and Tarks. Not ideal but understandable given the media attention anyway. If Dyche had said 'No, I really need you'. I think he'd have carried on. This is all open to debate as nobody knows what's happened, but would seem a reasonable way of keeping Keane happy in the off chance it does all go tits up and nobody wants him, or at least not for want we want. Didn't Tripper sign a new contract with the promise that if a bid came in for him, he could leave for a cut price fee a year later? I could also see that happening here. His dream club has gone it seems and Spurs aside (can't see them stumping up the fee and wages with their new stadium) none of the others mentioned are likely to offer him more football or probably even European football. He's already got caps with us so could be persuaded to extend his contract with an agreement he gets a cut price fee a year down the line. It's a long shot, but possible.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 3:05 pm

Juan Tanamera wrote:Are you his agent/dad/Sean Dyche/all three?

No, just a long-standing Burnley fan who's seen what happens when we allow a player to get within 12 months of his contract end date.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 3:06 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:And this is exactly why we'll get nowhere near what we think Keane is worth. He's made it clear that he's leaving this summer. The club have made it clear that he is leaving this summer.

If only one club come in, and it's getting to that point as the two main contenders for his signature are signing other players, then that club can offer a pittance. Keane doesn't want to play for us, he can go on strike and then his agent can force through the move. Our board will accept £8m or thereabouts in that case.

If only one club come in for Keane then that's simply the laws of supply and demand in practice - not really that hard to understand. As it happens I doubt very much only one club would be interested in buying one of the best young centre backs in the league.

The rest of the stuff in your post is just doom and gloom horse sh-it of what you personally may think will happen because you have an irrational view that the club is poor in its transfer dealings - ignoring the facts that we have consistently bought players cheaply or for nothing and gone on to sell them at big profits.

We are very lucky to have the owners we do as they act in the interest of the club and not themselves - there is no way that Dyche would be still here if he thought the club was acting in any other way.

The reality remains that for us and most other clubs that players have the power to build into the contracts things like release / buy out clauses and to also run down their contracts and not sign new contracts that we put in front of them. You either accept that or you don't get the chance to see players like Keane, Trippier, Danny Ings etc in a Burnley shirt at all.

If as a fan you don't understand that now then brace yourself to many years of disappointment and a disillusion that the club are being ripped off.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 3:09 pm

ExistentialWanderer wrote:I can see a scenario where after he picked up his injury, knowing we were as good as safe. He may have asked Southgate and Dyche not to consider him, should a bid come in and he didn't want to risk a big money deal collapsing, but can't see him downing tools either.

I doubt this were true. We were by no means safe when we played West Brom. If we had lost and Hull had Beaten Sunderland we would have been only two points in front with two games to play.

That would have been a big risk to rest Michael Keane, especially had it backfired.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 3:14 pm

TVC15 wrote: we have consistently bought players cheaply or for nothing and gone on to sell them at big profits.

We haven't consistently done that at all. We've sold a handful of players for profit.

What profit did we make on Bikey? Cort? Treacy? Vossen? Hennings? McDonald? Jutkiewicz? Boyd? Kightly? Sordell? Porter? O'Neill? Stanislas?