Bidding war for £25m-rated Michael Keane

[TVC15]

We haven't consistently done that at all. We've sold a handful of players for profit.

What profit did we make on Bikey? Cort? Treacy? Vossen? Hennings? McDonald? Jutkiewicz? Boyd? Kightly? Sordell? Porter? O'Neill? Stanislas?

Vossen was sold for what we bought him from. Of the other players you mentioned some of them have not left the club yet ! But let's go along with your game and say they have all left for a total of say £2m (we know we got £1m for Juke)....I reckon that's a total loss on the rest of tops £10m....

Profits from players off top of my head

Ings - £6m
Fletcher - £4m
Jones - £2.5m
Tripps - £3m
Shackell - £2m
Rodriguez - £7m
Austin - £3m
Eagles & Mears - £3m
Keane - let's say minimum £10m profit


You can do back further to the likes of Gray, Akinbyi, Wayne Thomas and many more.

You also seem to conveniently forget that players like kightly gave us good service and played key roles in promotion seasons for a small fee...and we bought players like that at the back end of their career not to make money but to add experience to our squad.

To say we have not done consistently well in the transfer market in the last 10 or 15 years is ridiculous - and also a bit embarrassing (or just plain ignorant)

[UpTheBeehole]

Boyd was £3m. He's leaving on a free.
Kightly was £2m, leaving on a free
Stanislas was £1m, left on a free
Bikey was £3m, left on a free
Treacy £750k, left on a free
Cort £1.5m. Left on a free

So we're over your £10m already.

From the players you name, one was allowed to run down his contract. At least 5 were sold for lower than market value with less than 12 months left on their contract.

That's where we're at with Keane: selling for less than market value because he has a year left on his contract. We'll get nowhere near his true worth because we gave him a short contract.

[TVC15]

Kightly was £1.5m - plus you need to take off the £2m we got for them !

Already answered the rest of your post - you sound pretty pathetic - and also not too great at maths !

[dsr]

Boyd was £3m. He's leaving on a free.
Kightly was £2m, leaving on a free
Stanislas was £1m, left on a free
Bikey was £3m, left on a free
Treacy £750k, left on a free
Cort £1.5m. Left on a free

So we're over your £10m already.

From the players you name, one was allowed to run down his contract. At least 5 were sold for lower than market value with less than 12 months left on their contract.

That's where we're at with Keane: selling for less than market value because he has a year left on his contract. We'll get nowhere near his true worth because we gave him a short contract.

3 and a half years isn't unduly short for a first contract.

[ashtonlongsider]

I'll be honest, if Keano doesn't move, for me he'd have to sign a new contract. Hope it doesn't come to a war of attrition but I feel we hold a lot of the aces. He certainly wants to be playing regularly in World Cup year and that puts us in a strong position.

[Juan Tanamera]

That's where we're at with Keane: selling for less than market value because he has a year left on his contract. We'll get nowhere near his true worth because we gave him a short contract.

I must have missed that bit where we sold Keane for less than market value.
In fact, I completely missed the news where we actually sold him.
When did this happen?

[Paul Waine]

Sign a new 3 year contract with Burnley - pay rise and reasonable release clause. Show his class in Burnley's second season in the Premier League. Become regular starter for England and put in a great performance in World Cup 2018 (alongside Tom Heaton). Join whoever he wants for 2018/19 season - or decent loyalty bonus if he remains with the Clarets. Either way we will all be winners.

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I posted the above on 12 June - 10 days ago.

I suggest this is the best outcome for both Burnley and Michael Keane.

[clarethomer]

I posted the above on 12 June - 10 days ago.

I suggest this is the best outcome for both Burnley and Michael Keane.

Best outcome for Michael Keane is not to sign and get a bigger wage/signing on fee...

[Walt]

I posted the above on 12 June - 10 days ago.

I suggest this is the best outcome for both Burnley and Michael Keane.

The longer it has gone on I've been more inclined to think it wouldn't be a bad move for him with the world cup in mind. He'll get his move and cash rewards when he does move and will still have plenty of disposable income now I'm sure.

[Walt]

Best outcome for Michael Keane is not to sign and get a bigger wage/signing on fee...

He doesn't come across as a money grabber. Yes he has class but at a bigger new club would still have to establish himself and you never know how that goes. Now his dream move back to United seems to have gone then guaranteed 1st team football seems a smart move.

He has a very realistic chance of starting at the world cup. If it goes pear shaped somewhere else for whatever reason he'll probably only make the squad

[starting_11]

A one year extension with a payrise and a £30m buyout clause might be a good idea at this stage... Does he really want to go to Everton etc and wait another 2 years for a big club to come in for him? Anything could happen in that time

He'd be better off here, for all concerned

[taio]

Taking off the claret tinted spectacles he would be better off at a club like Everton

[PaintYorkClaretnBlue]

I'd have thought that players would be a bit wary of running a contract down, they are one tackle away from not having a club. If I gave had got injured in the last few games for Burnley instead of when he did he could have come unstuck!

[DCWat]

Boyd was £3m. He's leaving on a free.
Kightly was £2m, leaving on a free
Stanislas was £1m, left on a free
Bikey was £3m, left on a free
Treacy £750k, left on a free
Cort £1.5m. Left on a free

So we're over your £10m already.

From the players you name, one was allowed to run down his contract. At least 5 were sold for lower than market value with less than 12 months left on their contract.

That's where we're at with Keane: selling for less than market value because he has a year left on his contract. We'll get nowhere near his true worth because we gave him a short contract.

That's a weak argument. Some players will leave for nothing, some of whom didn't earn their value, some of whom most certainly did.

We will never get every transfer right but we've plenty who have been massive value for money, whether we sold them or let them go, at the end of their contract.

Just to add - was it Leeds that paid money for Ian Moore? Ha ha ha

[Paul Waine]

Best outcome for Michael Keane is not to sign and get a bigger wage/signing on fee...

The longer it has gone on I've been more inclined to think it wouldn't be a bad move for him with the world cup in mind. He'll get his move and cash rewards when he does move and will still have plenty of disposable income now I'm sure.

Note I suggested a "reasonable" release clause - that should protect his signing on fee and salary when he moves in a year's time.

Michael Keane has shown that he knows where he wants to get to and he isn't put off when things don't go his way. He did this as a youth at utd, when he didn't progress while Will Keane did, he went to school and continued his training and development. He did this again when he left Utd and joined Burnley in the Championship (if I'm not mistaken) and Michael Duff ahead of him in the team. Keane worked hard, took his chance and established himself. He then worked harder with Burnley and broke into the England squad and got his first caps - and, arguably, produced one of the best "debut" performances for many years.

Of course, he would have loved to have got back to Utd, but that's unlikely to happen this season. So, why not stay with Burnley, establish himself in the England team, have an excellent world cup - and make his big move with all that success behind him.

[LaLigaClaret]

Michael Keane will want to play regularly to push his World Cup claims but will he go and if so where to ? I don't think it will be in our interests to keep him if we get a good market value for him. The club will want to strike a balance between his worth to us of another season or what they consider might be better value in selling him now. As he seemed determined that he wanted to go I wouldn't want him to run down his contract unless the offer we receive is way below his market value. So what will be his market value ? It was alleged Leicester were prepared to offer £20m minimum some time ago but since then he has become a full England international, had a brilliant Prem season, is young and rumoured to be interesting several clubs.

John Stones quite laughably was valued at around £50m by Everton yet suddenly they seem to think Keane is worth around half that. We should tell them to take a hike unless they offer a sensible amount well above the £25m they seem to think they can steal him for. It is very early in the transfer window so I would just sit tight for now. If rumours are anywhere near the truth then our alleged interest in Niasse or McCarthy could well result in a player plus cash exchange.

However I don't necessarily think the Man U deal is off the horizon especially if Smalling goes elsewhere. Also Liverpool may be in the hunt and this leaves the intriguing possibility of player plus cash deals with Ojo or even a certain Mr Ings or perhaps a loan deal with the option to purchase one or both next season. There may also yet be an offer from an unexpected team not yet linked with him. I think it unlikely Everton will be the only bidders so I wouldn't be in any rush yet, however we do need to get in a replacement as I wouldn't want Long to be the only cover for Tarkowski and Mee. We were rumoured to be interested in Liam Moore but his valuation was around £17m minimum so I think Keane is worth at least £35m to £40m given that transfer fees already seem to be on the up again. I expect a player plus cash deal with someone with the all to frequent "undisclosed amount" being reported. Hopefully we will put on plenty of add ons and a 25% sell on clause.

[TVC15]

With only one year left on his contract you can forget about anything around £35m to £40m. No chance.

Stones will have had a lot longer left on his deal.

It's going to be a game of bluff between Keane and the club (or more likely his agent)....as the threat of him seeing out his contract and walking away for nothing is probably going to be used by Keane and any buying club.

Best we can hope for is a bidding war to get the price up to £25m I think

[If it be your will]

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[steve1264b]

Simple maths.
£25 million for keane or a other £120 million by staying in the prem.
Weve more chance with him. He doesnt sign a new contract i would guess we would save a considerable portion of the £25 million on the transfer fee and wages (keane still on old wages) anyway.
Keep him and he can walk in the summer after starring for England in the world cup where he will have the pick of europes elite.

[dsr]

I've asked myself this one. The risk you outline is real, but if he doesn't get injured, he will be able to command higher wages on account the new club won't have to fork out a transfer fee. If the services of Keane for 3 years are worth say, 35 million in total, then if the new club isn't paying 25 million of it as a fee, presumably they can pay much more in salaries*. Risky though it is, there are great advantages to running a contract down.

*I assume it works like this, and Rooney's 5y Man U contract suggests it does.

And then there's the third side of the argument - if Keane signs a new contract now, with Burnley or with anyone else, then he has enough money to live in luxury for the rest of his life even if his career ends tomorrow.

[If it be your will]

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[LaLigaClaret]

I am just suggesting we sit tight and wait a while because the transfer window has a lot to run and I would be really surprised if Everton were the only suitors and a bidding war could still break out. Keane will want to play regularly for his World Cup ambitions but James Tarkowski might well keep him on the bench so will he take the risk of not playing. I still think he is a better player than Stones but realise he won't command that type of transfer value but Keane is still worth more than £25m and Everton are really trying it on with us. We could play on the idea that Liverpool might be interested and they could be interested in players plus cash for him just as Everton are. Merseyside rivals bidding for the same player could push prices up. I still think Man U might come back as well. If Everton think Smalling is a better bet then let them have him instead because Keane has the more potential. I think Everton's Smalling link is just another ploy in trying to apply pressure on us so I would ignore it.

[Reecey1987]

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