Nathan Ake to Bournmouth £20m

billyhamilton82 · Post by **billyhamilton82** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:13 am

This is what we are up against.

Precedents being set.

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KefkaClaret · Post by **KefkaClaret** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:20 am

Good signing by Bournemouth and good deal for Chelsea as they have a buyback clause.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:34 am

That club could end up in deep ****,would Eddie walk away?

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:44 am

Up against what?

Is Ake any better then the £3 million Keane or the £1 million Mee?

They're paying a premium fee and wages for a Chelsea player, we've already proven it doesn't need to be that way.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:45 am

Steve1956 wrote:That club could end up in deep ****,would Eddie walk away?

No they won't, it's if the owner gets bored.

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:48 am

Huddersfield as well - signed Mooy for £10m, close to a deal for a French striker for £11m and close to signing Tom Ince for around £8m. All in the space of a couple of days.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:48 am

Sidney1st wrote:No they won't, it's if the owner gets bored.

They must be operating on the very edge Sidney don't think it would take much to tip them over it!

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:51 am

Its their wages Defoe is pocketing a fortune by all accounts, it will end in tears im sure of that!

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:53 am

ksrclaret wrote:Huddersfield as well - signed Mooy for £10m, close to a deal for a French striker for £11m and close to signing Tom Ince for around £8m. All in the space of a couple of days.

Tom Ince, wow, that's a great signing for them!

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:54 am

It doesn't matter who the other clubs sign or how much they spend ultimately.

It's 50/50 how it ends for them.
Same for us.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:55 am

Steve1956 wrote:They must be operating on the very edge Sidney don't think it would take much to tip them over it!

Hard to know really without seeing their accounts.

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 11:02 am

Of some ofthe players mentioned on this thread.

1. What as Ake done to justify that price? £20 million

2. Mooy is he any better than what we currently have? £10 million

3. Striker nobody as ever heard of. £11 million

4. Tom Ince on about his fourth chance to prove himself £8 million

If that was our business this summer it would come too around £49 million in fees and then we have too pay the contracts and I reckon we would be down by Christmas.

Its not about how much you spend on it its about what you it spend on.

jlup1980 · Post by **jlup1980** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 11:03 am

Maguire at £17m and Ake at £20m certainly shows where we're at. It's such a shame Keane didn't have a couple of years left on his contract; we'd be looking at £35-40m!

Dawson could be the one who we can steal away at a half decent price given he's only got 12 months left on his current contract, but by half decent in the current market I mean £15m!! Insane money I know, but we can't accept big fee's in and refuse to pay them out. We need another PL centre half in this squad and Dawson fits the bill.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 11:04 am

Steve1956 wrote:That club could end up in deep ****,would Eddie walk away?

I doubt it. They have a money bags chairman so they'll just keep throwing money at players (mainly in wages). Howe showed at Burnley that he does need a wad of cash to succeed, so he'll stay there I imagine until the owner leaves, if he ever does.

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 11:12 am

Always makes me laugh that we can't just have a thread commenting on our rivals' transfer business without someone getting all defensive and assuming we're saying we should be doing the same.

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 11:15 am

ksrclaret wrote:Always makes me laugh that we can't just have a thread commenting on our rivals' transfer business without someone getting all defensive and assuming we're saying we should be doing the same.

First line of the thread "this is what we are up against"

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 11:18 am

RocketLawnChair wrote:First line of the thread "this is what we are up against"

Which isn't the same as "why aren't we signing these players", or even "we aren't we spending this sort of money".

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 11:21 am

RocketLawnChair wrote:First line of the thread "this is what we are up against"

It is what we are up against though, lots of money floating round this league, but everyone knows it,when it boils down to it we can have loads of money in the bank, or blow it on average players costing millions... you decide, the cash cow that is the premier league, won't always be the gift that keeps giving, if we want to survive we are going to have to pay silly money is it really worth it, I prefer the delights of the Championship myself.

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 11:24 am

ksrclaret wrote:Which isn't the same as "why aren't we signing these players", or even "we aren't we spending this sort of money".

Whose said we should be signing these players? Who knows what we are going to spend? we haven't spent nowt yet but we will!

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 11:29 am

Steve1956 wrote:It is what we are up against though, lots of money floating round this league, but everyone knows it,when it boils down to it we can have loads of money in the bank, or blow it on average players costing millions... you decide, the cash cow that is the premier league, won't always be the gift that keeps giving, if we want to survive we are going to have to pay silly money is it really worth it, I prefer the delights of the Championship myself.

If Dyche gets the players he wants I reckon he will keep us up. I don't think it will be particularly pretty too watch and the players wont be particularly flamboyant, I don't know what it will cost but I doubt it will be extravagant in terms of the market.

For eg I think Dawson at say £12 million is a far far better signing than Ake at £20 million, especially for us.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 11:54 am

Mooy is £8m btw

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40289316

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 12:18 pm

Ake proved himself capable at Bournemouth last season - he comes with a minimum sell on price (so the club know where they stand on that deal)

Defoe's rumoured £6.66 million a season is interesting given the Premier League total wage restrictions (I assume Bournemouth went over the threshold of capping coming into effect last season) - a significant proportion may end up as a sign on fee

Huddersfield are giving it a go up front - where they didn't score enough last season (though they let in far too many as well and need to strengthen that department and we all know to strengthen attack and defence you need to seriously upgrade quality and depth in midfield)

I think that the bigger issue comes from where we got Mee, Tripps and Keane - the Academies of biggest clubs and the wages they are now paying. Tammy Abraham has signed a £50k a week deal yet never played in the premier League - we might (might) just pay our biggest earner that this season but how can we attract future Keane's and Mee's etc when they are earning more than our current stars

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 12:26 pm

ksrclaret wrote:Huddersfield as well - signed Mooy for £10m, close to a deal for a French striker for £11m and close to signing Tom Ince for around £8m. All in the space of a couple of days.

Less than what we spent in similar circumstances

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 12:28 pm

Steve1956 wrote:That club could end up in deep ****,would Eddie walk away?

They have had 3 years at PL level, do you understand the finances that brings? £20M is a record buy for them.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 12:32 pm

FactualFrank wrote:I doubt it. They have a money bags chairman so they'll just keep throwing money at players (mainly in wages). Howe showed at Burnley that he does need a wad of cash to succeed, so he'll stay there I imagine until the owner leaves, if he ever does.

I'd say Howe proved early in his management career that he doesn't need a wad of cash to succeed.

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 12:34 pm

I thought I'd repeat this comment on here as it's a similar thread

It's nothing to do with the billionaire investor now though, it's all to do with the premier league money. In their last accounts Bournemouth made a profit with no input from their billionaire investor.

Revenue from crowds will probably be about 10% of our total revenue last season. For Bournemouth it will probably be about 7%. Unless you're a team like Arsenal with a massive stadium, high prices and loads of corporate hospitality then crowds are not that relevant when it comes to money.

Obviously there may be an issue if Bournemouth are signing all of these players without relegation clauses to cut their wages but there is nothing to indicate that this is the case.

£20m for Ake doesn't seem that outrageous. He's a 22 year-old Dutch international who looked very good last season. If Bournemouth do go down there's a decent chance they could at least get their money back. Of course he may turn out to be the next Titus Bramble but that's always a risk.

We signed Keane for a few million but it took 18 months or so for him to get up to speed. If you want a player who is going to come in and improve the team who came 9th in the league then there's a good chance you'll have to spend a lot of money. People point at players like Kante who were picked up cheap but for every Kante there are half a dozen players who come in cheaply, make little impact and disappear again.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 12:38 pm

aggi wrote:I thought I'd repeat this comment on here as it's a similar thread

It's nothing to do with the billionaire investor now though, it's all to do with the premier league money. In their last accounts Bournemouth made a profit with no input from their billionaire investor.

Revenue from crowds will probably be about 10% of our total revenue last season. For Bournemouth it will probably be about 7%. Unless you're a team like Arsenal with a massive stadium, high prices and loads of corporate hospitality then crowds are not that relevant when it comes to money.

Obviously there may be an issue if Bournemouth are signing all of these players without relegation clauses to cut their wages but there is nothing to indicate that this is the case.

£20m for Ake doesn't seem that outrageous. He's a 22 year-old Dutch international who looked very good last season. If Bournemouth do go down there's a decent chance they could at least get their money back. Of course he may turn out to be the next Titus Bramble but that's always a risk.

We signed Keane for a few million but it took 18 months or so for him to get up to speed. If you want a player who is going to come in and improve the team who came 9th in the league then there's a good chance you'll have to spend a lot of money. People point at players like Kante who were picked up cheap but for every Kante there are half a dozen players who come in cheaply, make little impact and disappear again.

People forget they have had 3 years worth of PL payments, totalling probably over £400M. They have earned the right to spend £20M on one player. Just like we earned the right to spend over £35 million on transfer fees last summer. 5% of their income over the last 3 years on Ake is sound business considering they had him on loan (try before you buy) yet bitter people on here will still act like they're overspending and relying on a foreign investor. They're relying on the PL money, just like us.

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 12:46 pm

Bournemouth's bigger worry is the money spent on Jordan Ibe for little return so far - Ake showed himself to be a significant contributor to them in the time he spent with them - they took a long time to recover from his departure

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 12:55 pm

Their heading into their third year in the premier league. They've spent money that they've earned. Yes they may have spent more than they could afford in the championship but it's worked out. As long as they stay in the premier league that is. But all teams are ****** once they go down after being up a few seasons.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 1:05 pm

Dyched wrote:Their heading into their third year in the premier league. They've spent money that they've earned. Yes they may have spent more than they could afford in the championship but it's worked out. As long as they stay in the premier league that is. But all teams are ****** once they go down after being up a few seasons.

Let's not forget that all their signings are risk free, ours aren't. Jordon Ibe didn't work out. That's £15 million wasted but it doesn't matter with a billionaire owner. They'll just sign another £15 million pound player. If that doesn't work out it doesn't matter and so on.

Can we afford to sign many £15 million pound players if the first one doesn't work out?

Bournemouth have a risk free transfer signing policy. We don't and that's the difference.

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 1:11 pm

If they continue to stay up they could afford to take a risk on £15m a year without the chairman each season. They've got defoe on a free and isn't a risk.

I'd also say signing Brady was a risk which we don't know yet how that will be. Signing Defour was a risk and hasn't worked out.

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 1:15 pm

Spijed wrote:Let's not forget that all their signings are risk free, ours aren't. Jordon Ibe didn't work out. That's £15 million wasted but it doesn't matter with a billionaire owner. They'll just sign another £15 million pound player. If that doesn't work out it doesn't matter and so on.

Can we afford to sign many £15 million pound players if the first one doesn't work out?

Bournemouth have a risk free transfer signing policy. We don't and that's the difference.

Given they are recording profits then yes, we could afford the same. Arguably the Ibe signing was mainly funded by selling Ritchie for a similar amount to Newcastle.

Look at our record signing, he was being dropped to the bench in favour of Arfield/Boyd towards the end of this season.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 1:21 pm

aggi wrote:Given they are recording profits then yes, we could afford the same. Arguably the Ibe signing was mainly funded by selling Ritchie for a similar amount to Newcastle.

Look at our record signing, he was being dropped to the bench in favour of Arfield/Boyd towards the end of this season.

But the point is they could sign ten players of the same value and if it didn't work out then it wouldn't be a big deal with a billionaire in charge. They can make signings that aren't dependent on the money they bring in, especially as FFP has been watered down.

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 1:32 pm

Well they could, but they haven't and haven't indicated that they are going to. Just because they have a rich investor it doesn't mean that he is going to offer them unlimited funds. Usmanov at Arsenal is estimated to be far richer than Abramovich with Kroenke also having a similar level of wealth but Arsenal don't sign players for hundreds of millions.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 1:37 pm

I'd be delighted if we signed Ake as Keane's replacement. Unfortunately we're more likely to get a mid-table Championship player as backup to Mee and our other mid-table Championship signing Tarkowski.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 1:38 pm

Spijed wrote:But the point is they could sign ten players of the same value and if it didn't work out then it wouldn't be a big deal with a billionaire in charge. They can make signings that aren't dependent on the money they bring in, especially as FFP has been watered down.

They could also spend £15M on ten players out of the £400M they have received over the past three years. They're spending money on transfers out of income not out of the owners pocket, the exact same as us.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 2:16 pm

Seems to be a lot of woe is us on threads today and plenty of the green eyed monster, looking at the likes of Huddersfield and Bournemouth.

They're spending some of what they have earned as we will do. It's the nature of the league. Let's wait to see what our business looks like before berating investors and other clubs spending.

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 2:17 pm

Bournemouth certainly splash the cash. Looks fairly obvious why Eddie left us. Eddie sprinted through the back door when this Russian billionaire called and he couldn't wait to leave the turf.

My betting is all the sob stories were bull sh it

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 2:24 pm

Top Claret wrote:Bournemouth certainly splash the cash. Looks fairly obvious why Eddie left us. Eddie sprinted through the back door when this Russian billionaire called and he couldn't wait to leave the turf.

My betting is all the sob stories were bull sh it

Did his mum not die?
How do they splash the cash? They have spent over £10M twice in their history, the same as us. They have received £400M in money from the PL. Success on the pitch has allowed them the right to spend a bit. I believe we spent way more than them last season.

Jimscho · Post by **Jimscho** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 2:26 pm

KRBFC wrote:People forget they have had 3 years worth of PL payments, totalling probably over £400M. They have earned the right to spend £20M on one player. Just like we earned the right to spend over £35 million on transfer fees last summer. 5% of their income over the last 3 years on Ake is sound business considering they had him on loan (try before you buy) yet bitter people on here will still act like they're overspending and relying on a foreign investor. They're relying on the PL money, just like us.

They received £70.4m for2015/16 and £123.9m for 2016/17 which is £194.3m and will receive over £100m for this season.Doesnt quite add up to over £400 but what's £100m between friends.They will have paid out significant wages in that period but no reason why they can't pay £20m for a player and £6m wages for Defoe without being funded by the owner but nice to have him in the background if it goes titsup.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 2:30 pm

Jimscho wrote:They received £70.4m for2015/16 and £123.9m for 2016/17 which is £194.3m and will receive over £100m for this season.Doesnt quite add up to over £400 but what's £100m between friends.They will have paid out significant wages in that period but no reason why they can't pay £20m for a player and £6m wages for Defoe without being funded by the owner but nice to have him in the background if it goes titsup.

I thought they would've received more than £70M for promotion from the Championship. I guess most of the £150m+ (that you reportedly earn) is in parachute payments that you don't receive if you stay up.

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 2:37 pm

KRBFC wrote:Did his mum not die?
How do they splash the cash? They have spent over £10M twice in their history, the same as us. They have received £400M in money from the PL. Success on the pitch has allowed them the right to spend a bit. I believe we spent way more than them last season.

OK his mum died. Are you telling me he would have thrown his job in to move back south if this Bournemouth offer had not come along, I certainly think not.

I don't know what the Bournemouth wage bill is,but I would guess that it has been double or even treble ours over the last 4 years.

Howe has had a far better hand to deal with than Dyche over the last few years and as been very lucky to have had the backing of a very wealthy chairman

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 3:05 pm

Top Claret wrote:OK his mum died. Are you telling me he would have thrown his job in to move back south if this Bournemouth offer had not come along, I certainly think not.

I don't know what the Bournemouth wage bill is,but I would guess that it has been double or even treble ours over the last 4 years.

Howe has had a far better hand to deal with than Dyche over the last few years and as been very lucky to have had the backing of a very wealthy chairman

Or you could use your brain and see Howe has had it better than Dyche because he's achieved more onfield success than Dyche.

claretdom · Post by **claretdom** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 3:13 pm

Just the other day you were saying there is no difference between finishing 7th or 17th (most will get that this was your way of sniping at Keane not signing for any of the top 4) now you are saying Howe has achieved more onfield success than Dyche.

When you speak that much bullshit clearly it becomes hard for you to remember what drivel you have spouted but I am sure you have some reason for it but have a go at explaining the more onfield success.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 3:18 pm

claretdom wrote:Just the other day you were saying there is no difference between finishing 7th or 17th (most will get that this was your way of sniping at Keane not signing for any of the top 4) now you are saying Howe has achieved more onfield success than Dyche.

When you speak that much bullshit clearly it becomes hard for you to remember what drivel you have spouted but I am sure you have some reason for it but have a go at explaining the more onfield success.

You do realise 17th is survival, right?
Do you not consider PL survival, success for us/Bournemouth?

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 3:18 pm

Six points separated ten places, from 8th to 17th, so it wasn't as though Bournemouth were far ahead of us last season, especially considering we'd given up once we were safe.

claretdom · Post by **claretdom** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 3:23 pm

KRBFC wrote:You do realise 17th is survival, right?
Do you not consider PL survival, success for us/Bournemouth?

You said there was no difference between 7th and 17th when talking us and Everton.

What extra success has Howe had ?

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 3:33 pm

claretdom wrote:You said there was no difference between 7th and 17th when talking us and Everton.

What extra success has Howe had ?

I said there was no difference for the player not the club, I pointed that out clearly. 3 seasons in a row in the PL. I don't know if you're acting stupid or not

claretdom · Post by **claretdom** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 3:37 pm

Just checking, when you were talking down Everton as they don't win things I was thinking I had missed Bournemouth winning things when you were bigging up your idol's success.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 3:39 pm

claretdom wrote:Just checking, when you were talking down Everton as they don't win things I was thinking I had missed Bournemouth winning things when you were bigging up your idol's success.

You do realise success is measured differently for different clubs. So you don't think we have been successful then? The scary thing is, I don't believe you're acting. Please never ever breed.