Walters fee agreed

Burnleyareback2 · Post by **Burnleyareback2** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 8:33 pm

Excellent news.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 8:38 pm

He may offer a bit more than Boyd up front. But can he track back? We all know this is the most important requirement.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 8:40 pm

He's a Stoke player, he will know how and when to track back.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 8:41 pm

Sidney1st wrote:He's a Stoke player, he will know how and when to track back.

All the time, Sidney, all the time!

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 8:42 pm

If we were a Championship side it might make sense, even on a free, but to pay 3 million for a player should really adds very little to the squad appears foolish to me.

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 8:44 pm

ablueclaret wrote:If we were a Championship side it might make sense, even on a free, but to pay 3 million for a player should really adds very little to the squad appears foolish to me.

I don't suppose you'll be attending any games, so it really shouldn't matter to you.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 8:44 pm

226 PL games in 7yrs would suggest he has something to offer.
Could help us see out games etc.

bodge · Post by **bodge** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 8:45 pm

I fully agree with Rileybobs' contributions on this thread, Walters represents a Dyche template player, no surprise we are in for him.

As for the comment "who's legs may have gone" (sic), this is the epitome of straw clutching nonsense to back up an opinion that i've seen for some considerable in the face of some really strong competition.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 8:46 pm

You don't buy 34 year old attackers if you want to progress.

Quicknick · Post by **Quicknick** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 8:48 pm

ablueclaret wrote:If we were a Championship side it might make sense, even on a free, but to pay 3 million for a player should really adds very little to the squad appears foolish to me.

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 8:49 pm

ablueclaret wrote:You don't buy 34 year old attackers if you want to progress.

We aren't buying a 34 year old attacker.

Quicknick · Post by **Quicknick** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 8:50 pm

bodge wrote:I fully agree with Rileybobs' contributions on this thread, Walters represents a Dyche template player, no surprise we are in for him.

As for the comment "who's legs may have gone" (sic), this is the epitome of straw clutching nonsense to back up an opinion that i've seen for some considerable in the face of some really strong competition.

Agreed. And love the (sic) bit.

Nonayforever · Post by **Nonayforever** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 8:51 pm

Excellent signing, strong & reliable, knows the Premier league inside out.
He will hit the ground running as he already knows quite a few of his team mates.

Just what we need at this moment in time.

Well done Burnley.

Braindead · Post by **Braindead** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 8:52 pm

Shut up whinging ablue you predictably negative dick.

We have lost a lot of experience in our team with Barton going and Marney being injured, Walters is also a talker, something we are lacking without the aforementioned two players being in the side.

Right_winger · Post by **Right_winger** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 8:59 pm

Rileybobs wrote:Which of those categories does Walters fit into?

Hard working journeyman obviously.

Very underwhelming. But Dyche doesn't do flair or technical ability or even pace.

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:00 pm

Right_winger wrote:Hard working journeyman obviously.

Very underwhelming. But Dyche doesn't do flair or technical ability or even pace.

Yeah, Gray is like a snail.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:02 pm

ablueclaret wrote:You don't buy 34 year old attackers if you want to progress.

Jermaine Defoe

Right_winger · Post by **Right_winger** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:02 pm

fidelcastro wrote:Yeah, Gray is like a snail.

Not a Dyche player. Mr McParland signing.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:02 pm

ablueclaret wrote:You don't buy 34 year old attackers if you want to progress.

Ibrahimovic
Defoe
Sherringham
Wright
Cole

Just a few - some of whom we have benefited from ourselves, despite them being older.

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:04 pm

Right_winger wrote:Not a Dyche player. Mr McParland signing.

Yeah, I bet Dyche must've thought about leaving when he was "ordered" to sign Gray.

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:15 pm

34 is the new 24. Actually I remember when Jim Thomson kept signing for another year and another and oh no and Leighton James for another year, there was more crockery at Turf Moor than the Pot Fair.

Too old for the money.

Braindead · Post by **Braindead** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:16 pm

Right_winger wrote:Not a Dyche player. Mr McParland signing.

Wait......you are being serious?

leem5ki · Post by **leem5ki** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:18 pm

ablueclaret wrote:You don't buy 34 year old attackers if you want to progress.

I wish you'd come across 34 attackers......

Right_winger · Post by **Right_winger** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:21 pm

Braindead wrote:

Wait......you are being serious?

McParland identified André not Dyche.

the only reason he kept playing is because of his excellent return of goals. You could see last season though that André was slowly being used less often.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:23 pm

Why do some folk go on about some players not being a 'Dyche type' one?

They say it about Defour, yet Dyche went to Belgium to try and persuade him to sign and then played him from the off. He wanted him on the pitch that much that he even played him in a wide position at times.

They must think that Dyche is f***ing thick or sommat.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:55 pm

leem5ki wrote:

I wish you'd come across 34 attackers......

I shouldnt laugh but that tickled me

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:58 pm

fidelcastro wrote:Yeah, Gray is like a snail.

I think what he is getting at is that Dyche's framework and tactics don't particularly exploit his pace. Yes, his pace is an asset, but it's probably not what Dyche was especially searching for when we signed him.

AndrewJB · Post by **AndrewJB** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:00 pm

We've had one raging hard-on and a lot of semi's. is the middle ground a "spewable semi"?

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:02 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:I think what he is getting at is that Dyche's framework and tactics don't particularly exploit his pace. Yes, his pace is an asset, but it's probably not what Dyche was especially searching for when we signed him.

So what was he searching for? A player with a deft first touch?

Oh sorry, I forgot. The signing had nowt to do with him anyway. It was all down to McParland wanting him here, not Dyche.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:12 pm

fidelcastro wrote:So what was he searching for? A player with a deft first touch?

No - it's only my opinion of course, but with the sudden departure of Vossen, I think Dyche urgently wanted someone who was a proven goalscorer at Championship level. The McParland connection helped, of course, but I don't think that the fact that he has pace was necessarily the reason he was bought, nor his "deft first touch"

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:17 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:No - it's only my opinion of course, but with the sudden departure of Vossen, I think Dyche urgently wanted someone who was a proven goalscorer at Championship level. The McParland connection helped, of course, but I don't think that the fact that he has pace was necessarily the reason he was bought, nor his "deft first touch"

So, I'll ask again, what was the reason he was bought?

I think everyone new, even then, that pace was Gray's best asset.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:20 pm

fidelcastro wrote:So, I'll ask again, what was the reason he was bought?

I just said: because he had scored a lot of goals for Brentford. When he arrived here we didn't change our tactics to exploit his pace.

Longsider · Post by **Longsider** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:22 pm

Good Signing.

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:26 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:I just said: because he had scored a lot of goals for Brentford. When he arrived here we didn't change our tactics to exploit his pace.

Didn't we? Wow... Dyche got incredibly lucky then!

First of all, he gets all the credit for signing a player that he didn't really want (he was a McParland signing, you see?) Then Gray becomes Championship POTY and one of, or was it THE top scorer in the division, despite us not changing our tactics at all.

I've worked it all out now... Dyche isn't a good manager, he's a lucky manager!

boyyanno · Post by **boyyanno** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:31 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:I just said: because he had scored a lot of goals for Brentford. When he arrived here we didn't change our tactics to exploit his pace.

I think that's very reasonable. When you consider Dyche has played the combination of Vokes and Barnes this season, and the fact that the other forwards he's signed have not had noticeable pace: Vossen, Juke, Barnes, to name a few, I'd say his transfer was probably far more about the return he would give us in terms of goals than anything else.

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:37 pm

boyyanno wrote:I think that's very reasonable. When you consider Dyche has played the combination of Vokes and Barnes this season, and the fact that the other forwards he's signed have not had noticeable pace: Vossen, Juke, Barnes, to name a few, I'd say his transfer was probably far more about the return he would give us in terms of goals than anything else.

Or maybe he thought that Gray on as a sub, against tiring defenders, worrying them with his pace might be more effective. Like at Palace for example.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:38 pm

It's all about avoiding relegation, where is the ambition amongst these fans

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:38 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:I just said: because he had scored a lot of goals for Brentford. When he arrived here we didn't change our tactics to exploit his pace.

I think you're completely and totally wrong about that. We became mire direct than we ever were with Ings alongside Vokes, to reflect Gray's liking for the ball into the channels to run onto. And i lost count of the number of through balls to Gray we attempted. But hundreds, certainly

We bought Gray for two reasons - his goals and his pace. And two years ago in particular, we largely built a strategy around it. Im not really sure what anyone who didn't see this was watching

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:40 pm

ablueclaret wrote:It's all about avoiding relegation, where is the ambition amongst these fans

Its called being realistic.

First and foremost we need to avoid relegation.

2nd target - improve on last seasons league finish.

3rd target - have extended cup run (this isn't necessarily as important this time round as league improvement(

You seem to be really struggling today with ambitions and aims.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:47 pm

fidelcastro wrote:Didn't we? Wow... Dyche got incredibly lucky then!

First of all, he gets all the credit for signing a player that he didn't really want (he was a McParland signing, you see?) Then Gray becomes Championship POTY and one of, or was it THE top scorer in the division, despite us not changing our tactics at all.

I've worked it all out now... Dyche isn't a good manager, he's a lucky manager!

Nothing to do with luck.
Gray had proved himself a goalscorer at Championship level with Brentford, (a poorer team than us), and Dyche has used him mainly alongside either Vokes or Barnes in our usual system, and occasionally varied things a bit. But by and large Dyche slotted him into the Burnley system. (He even comes back to defend corners, rather than remaining on halfway line for the quick break.)
Why is that luck? it's the "Dyche way".

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:58 pm

claretspice wrote:I think you're completely and totally wrong about that. We became mire direct than we ever were with Ings alongside Vokes, to reflect Gray's liking for the ball into the channels to run onto. And i lost count of the number of through balls to Gray we attempted. But hundreds, certainly

We bought Gray for two reasons - his goals and his pace. And two years ago in particular, we largely built a strategy around it. Im not really sure what anyone who didn't see this was watching

I nearly always agree with much of what you write, but I'm not really with you on this. I would agree that in his first season, we had a spell of trying to utilise his pace by playing the ball through the channels, but I don't recall us scoring too many goals with that tactic.
More often than not he has been receiving the ball with his back to goal, and being asked to hold the ball up, (something he is not the best at), and when you look at player ratings for the past seasons it was often commented that he was running his socks off but not getting the service he required (i.e. balls to run on to).
In general I would say that we have played too much long ball up to the head of either Vokes or Barnes, or our build up through midfield has been too slow to take advantage of his pace.
I would also put forward the suggestion that Dyche has never been entirely sure exactly how to get the best out of him within our framework, (and that's not really intended as a criticism)

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 11:03 pm

Dyche is the luckiest manager we've had since Harry Potts.

mkmel · Post by **mkmel** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 11:33 pm

Don't know if this has been posted on this thread further back but I remember him scoring this cracking goal.

Not sure who it was against

50 seconds in

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KefkaClaret · Post by **KefkaClaret** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 11:36 pm

Flanagan's defending for the second my god

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 11:41 pm

KefkaClaret wrote:Flanagan's defending for the second my god

Flanagan's defending is an oxymoron.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 11:46 pm

fidelcastro wrote:Or maybe he thought that Gray on as a sub, against tiring defenders, worrying them with his pace might be more effective. Like at Palace for example.

I would agree with that except it's not a tactic we have used very often. He has come on as a sub on just 6 occasions in 73 appearances.

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 11:47 pm

randomclaret2 wrote:£2m plus add-ons according to Stoke paper. Expecting Saxo along shortly to give us the benefit of his extensive knowledge of Walters' early career. Im assuming it was " pre boycott " of course.

Don't be so paranoid..

Although..

You know Walters had his mates selling the free tickets academy players got outside of ewood? I paid a tenner for Rovers v Everton.. Still got the stub somewhere..

dpinsussex · Post by **dpinsussex** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 11:50 pm

leem5ki wrote:

I wish you'd come across 34 attackers......

I wish he had 34 brain cells

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Thu Jul 06, 2017 12:12 am

nil_desperandum wrote:I would agree with that except it's not a tactic we have used very often. He has come on as a sub on just 6 occasions in 73 appearances.

73 appearances eh?

Not bad for a player that isn't a Dyche player.

Cajun · Post by **Cajun** » Thu Jul 06, 2017 1:19 am

For me, the coming season is again about finishing no lower 17th. That is not lack of ambition, it is realism and a great target for the Clarets. I am still elated at the fact we are going to be in the PL yet again. If we can perform the stunning achievement of PL survival a second time, maybe we can aim for a gradual increase in places higher in subsequent seasons. Doesn't seem long ago that the prospect of bring a proverbial "yo-yo" club was the ultimate ambition. Anyway, I always thought of Walters as an awkward and dangerous player to face, and I think he would be a good squad player. Happy for the signing to go through.