50 years since decriminalisation of homosexuality

KateR · Post by **KateR** » Fri Jul 14, 2017 6:08 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Says you who's name is the phonetic pronunciation of the progressive LGBT nation of Qatar.

Really, it is so wonderful reading your posts and learning absolutely nothing

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Fri Jul 14, 2017 6:32 pm

Inchy your view of normal might not be everyone else's view of normal.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Jul 14, 2017 6:53 pm

Inchy's view is pretty normal for a lot of us who choose to not believe a story book...

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun Jul 16, 2017 1:11 pm

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Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Sun Jul 16, 2017 3:17 pm

Some on here really are pushing this subject. Others have heard enough about it. Some on here with agendas would be up in arms if people stated they hated gays but they seem quite happy to pour scorn on religious views and religion which I find offensive.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun Jul 16, 2017 3:40 pm

Blackrod wrote:Some on here really are pushing this subject. Others have heard enough about it. Some on here with agendas would be up in arms if people stated they hated gays but they seem quite happy to pour scorn on religious views and religion which I find offensive.

Then be offended. Why do you think we should know or care that you're offended when someone calls out your religion for what it is?

claptrappers_union · Post by **claptrappers_union** » Sun Jul 16, 2017 3:48 pm

Its because some religious people on this thread hate homosexuality because of religious beliefs.

If you personally don't like the idea of gays, fine. Don't say it's because your religion says its wrong, because that makes you a *******.

Jesus was a massive bummer by the way.

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Sun Jul 16, 2017 3:54 pm

Im not saying I dislike anyone. I am saying there are some very imbalanced views. There are people who seem easily offended yet their view can be the only view and they are happy to pour scorn where it might offend other people. No point putting a question mark on IT's posts as it won't get an answer from me due to the idiotic rubbish you post.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun Jul 16, 2017 4:29 pm

Blackrod wrote:Im not saying I dislike anyone. I am saying there are some very imbalanced views. There are people who seem easily offended yet their view can be the only view and they are happy to pour scorn where it might offend other people. No point putting a question mark on IT's posts as it won't get an answer from me due to the idiotic rubbish you post.

You complain that other people are easily offended right after you've expressed offence that other people think your religion is stupid, and then as a means by which to avoid facing any questions, you have the audacity to call what I post rubbish.

No wonder you fell for religion.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun Jul 16, 2017 5:16 pm

Blackrod wrote:Some on here really are pushing this subject. Others have heard enough about it. Some on here with agendas would be up in arms if people stated they hated gays but they seem quite happy to pour scorn on religious views and religion which I find offensive.

Religion is the reason for homophobia.

HatfieldClaret · Post by **HatfieldClaret** » Sun Jul 16, 2017 5:24 pm

Or is religion a convenient excuse for homophobics to hide behind ?

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Sun Jul 16, 2017 5:58 pm

The Episcopal Church has been welcoming gays for years and regards them as Children of God. It also prohibits the discrimination of transgender people. It's easier to generalise about all religion though.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun Jul 16, 2017 6:05 pm

I can be more specific if you want, but someone on here gets upset when I'm specific about the religions that are homophobic.

You can probably guess which ones they are though.

Siddo · Post by **Siddo** » Sun Jul 16, 2017 7:52 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:You complain that other people are easily offended right after you've expressed offence that other people think your religion is stupid, and then as a means by which to avoid facing any questions, you have the audacity to call what I post rubbish.

No wonder you fell for religion.

Your problem is that you are not nearly as clever as you think you are. In reality you are just a boring message board troll.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun Jul 16, 2017 7:58 pm

Siddo wrote:Your problem is that you are not nearly as clever as you think you are. In reality you are just a boring message board troll.

What makes you think i'm not as clever as i think i am?

Erasmus · Post by **Erasmus** » Sun Jul 16, 2017 8:21 pm

No religion is homophobic but all religions have individuals who are homophobic, usually dependent on cultural and economic contexts.

Siddo · Post by **Siddo** » Sun Jul 16, 2017 8:39 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:What makes you think i'm not as clever as i think i am?

That's just confirmed it.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun Jul 16, 2017 8:56 pm

Erasmus wrote:No religion is homophobic but all religions have individuals who are homophobic, usually dependent on cultural and economic contexts.

So where religious teachings dictate that you can't be with someone of the same gender, is that not homophobic in the modern sense?

Erasmus · Post by **Erasmus** » Sun Jul 16, 2017 9:30 pm

Religious teaching is not fixed but is constantly changing and developing. There are many religious teachings that were of primary significance in the past but have since been discarded. Hinduism, for example, is in the process of moving away from caste restrictions in part because of the work of modern Hindu teachers but mainly because of globalisation and the changing nature of the Indian economy.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Sun Jul 16, 2017 9:33 pm

Sidney1st wrote:So where religious teachings dictate that you can't be with someone of the same gender, is that not homophobic in the modern sense?

"Religion" proscribes a lot of forms of sexual intercourse. From a man's point of view, you shouldn't have sex with: a man; an animal; a child; your sister, mother, or other close relation; your neighbour; your neighbour's wife; the 16-year-old nymphomaniac next door; your fiancee; the woman you have lived with for forty years, but never married. There are a lot of prohibitions - they aren't all aimed at homosexuals.

Non-religious society still proscribes sex with children, animals, and close relatives; it frowns on sex with your neighbour's wife; but it welcomes sex with men, unmarried women, fiancees, etc. It may be that our society has reached the acme of liberalism, that what secular soceirty approves of now is the ultimate ideal that will for ever be right; or it may not. But the idea of "my beliefs are right, anyone who disagrees is wrong" is the opposite of liberalism.

What we don't have, but need, is tolerance. Tim Farron found that out - he was a tolerant man, willing to accept that homosexuals can live their own life even though he disagrees with it. He was driven out because tolerance isn't considered to be enough. The "homosexual community" wants everyone to approve of them, and won't take anything less.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sun Jul 16, 2017 9:36 pm

Sidney1st wrote:Religion is the reason for homophobia.

No, sorry Sid, can't agree with that.
The root cause of homophobia is homosexuality, because one would not exist without the other.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 3:48 am

Siddo wrote:That's just confirmed it.

So you don't have an answer. You're just typing things and hoping not to be questioned on them.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 6:59 am

Well, I'll be honest I didn't expect this thread to go the way it has on post #3

Siddo · Post by **Siddo** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 9:13 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:So you don't have an answer. You're just typing things and hoping not to be questioned on them.

Does that sound familiar to you?

BFCmaj · Post by **BFCmaj** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 9:25 am

boatshed bill wrote:No, sorry Sid, can't agree with that.
The root cause of homophobia is homosexuality, because one would not exist without the other.

To paraphrase Stephen Fry,
"There are over 200 animal species that display homosexual tendencies but only one species that displays homophobia".

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 9:36 am

Siddo wrote:Does that sound familiar to you?

You think i'm never prepared to explain my opinions? You don't think i'm ever prepared to demonstrate facts? You must be new here.

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 9:59 am

What's exactly wrong with homosexuality?

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 11:17 am

Blackrod wrote:Im not saying I dislike anyone. I am saying there are some very imbalanced views. There are people who seem easily offended yet their view can be the only view and they are happy to pour scorn where it might offend other people. No point putting a question mark on IT's posts as it won't get an answer from me due to the idiotic rubbish you post.

If the other view is discriminating against people because of the way they were born then yes, mine is the only view.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 11:23 am

ClaretAndJew wrote:What's exactly wrong with homosexuality?

Nothing, its a perfectly normal thing.

Spike · Post by **Spike** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 1:21 pm

the world has gone mad

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 1:54 pm

Before you quote a post and comment it might be a good idea to actually read more of the thread and subsequent posts.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 2:39 pm

Blackrod,

You say people should be entitled to hold the view that gay relationships are wrong, yet would you object if someone said mixed race relationships are wrong?

If society has moved on to accept people of a different skin colour getting married then why can't the same be accepted for gay couples?

Uwe Noble · Post by **Uwe Noble** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 4:30 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:You complain that other people are easily offended right after you've expressed offence that other people think your religion is stupid, and then as a means by which to avoid facing any questions, you have the audacity to call what I post rubbish.

No wonder you fell for religion.

I think it's rubbish as well.

Uwe Noble · Post by **Uwe Noble** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 4:38 pm

Spijed wrote:Blackrod,

You say people should be entitled to hold the view that gay relationships are wrong, yet would you object if someone said mixed race relationships are wrong?

If society has moved on to accept people of a different skin colour getting married then why can't the same be accepted for gay couples?

Because you can't choose your race but you can choose whether to marry someone of the same sex. I know it's very progressive' to support gay marriage but some of us just just are n't prepared to 'blow with the wind'.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 4:50 pm

Uwe Noble wrote:Because you can't choose your race but you can choose whether to marry someone of the same sex. I know it's very progressive' to support gay marriage but some of us just just are n't prepared to 'blow with the wind'.

You can choose your race just as easily as you can choose who you are attracted to. If you are gay you have no attraction to someone of the opposite sex.

It's no reason to hate gay people though, which many who disagree with gay marriage do.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 4:54 pm

Uwe Noble wrote:I think it's rubbish as well.

20 posts in 18 months suggests you also know that no one cares what you think.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 4:55 pm

Uwe Noble wrote:Because you can't choose your race but you can choose whether to marry someone of the same sex. I know it's very progressive' to support gay marriage but some of us just just are n't prepared to 'blow with the wind'.

Straight people choose to marry someone of the opposite sex just as much as gay people choose to marry someone of the same sex. So what's your next argument? I'll shoot that down too.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 4:59 pm

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Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 5:03 pm

Sidney1st wrote:
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This appeared on my facebook earlier today and I found it quite amusing.

Don't forget the hurricanes and floods.

Uwe Noble · Post by **Uwe Noble** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 5:46 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:20 posts in 18 months suggests you also know that no one cares what you think.

I tend to post on football related issues and not bore the pants off people preaching on PC issues like some.

bluelabrador16 · Post by **bluelabrador16** » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:46 pm

Maybe of interest:

Against the Law
9pm, BBC2

"Wednesday’s best TV: Against the Law, A Prescription for Murder?
A terrific dramatisation of Peter Wildeblood’s 1954 imprisonment for homosexuality. Plus: did depression medication cause James Holme’s gun attack on a cinema?"

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"Splendid dramatisation of 1954’s so-called Wildeblood scandal: the imprisonment of the journalist Peter Wildeblood, along with Lord Montagu and Michael Pitt-Rivers, on charges of homosexuality. Against the Law was the book Wildeblood subsequently wrote about his experiences. Daniel Mays is terrific as Wildeblood and additional testimony from gay men who lived through the period reminds that it wasn’t as long ago as we might prefer to think. Andrew Mueller"