Marquee signing?

[Braindead]

A good portion of our goals against last season came from Mee errors. We need to strengthen here massively.

Now THAT'S banter.

Good work fella.

[CnBtruntru]

A good portion of our goals against last season came from Mee errors. We need to strengthen here massively.

I am sorry to say but you are wrong, the only person who is allowed to use their hands is the goalkeeper, so it is up to them alone to stop the ball going over the line for a goal and I thought cats went Meeow not Mee errors

[Grumps]

Now THAT'S banter.

Good work fella.

Lots of our goals against did result from mee mistakes, perhaps the only mistake he made, but none the less a mistake

[Sidney1st]

We conceded 55 league goals last season.

Any accurate numbers or percentages showing Mee was at fault?

[Sidney1st]

Can that be balanced against how many potential goals he stopped?

[claretdom]

It is good to see mohamed hasn't changed. After his stupid comments towards Gray last season and boasting how he himself had played at a high level in his own career (couldn't remember a team he had played for though when asked) now he's decided it is time for Mee to cop it.

[IndigoLake]

I want to see us bring in a central defender, winger (or wide midfielder) and a striker and I'd like them to all be players who you'd expect to quickly become first team players. Ie not just adding squad depth. I'm happy with the signings we've made so far though.

[Grumps]

Can that be balanced against how many potential goals he stopped?

..... Or how many important goals did he concede

[jlup1980]

I want to see us bring in a central defender, winger (or wide midfielder) and a striker and I'd like them to all be players who you'd expect to quickly become first team players. Ie not just adding squad depth. I'm happy with the signings we've made so far though.

Absolutely. We're at a point now where squad fillers are no use. We need to bring in players to improve the starting 11. Cork will do that and I'd argue Walters will too. Taylor could do if he gets in front of Ward. More of the same please.

[mohamed69]

It is good to see mohamed hasn't changed. After his stupid comments towards Gray last season and boasting how he himself had played at a high level in his own career (couldn't remember a team he had played for though when asked) now he's decided it is time for Mee to cop it.

My gray comments were spot on. I was saying he had a bad touch well before that became accepted on this board... And I said he wouldn't reach 10 league goals in the season. Was it you who was defending his touch

I think we need Mee but definitely need another, stronger CB. Did you see the highlights from the Alfreton game?

[mohamed69]

Lots of our goals against did result from mee mistakes, perhaps the only mistake he made, but none the less a mistake

Exactly right. In almost every game he made a crucial mistake. Sometimes it was punished, sometimes it wasn't. He was often bailed out by Heaton or Keane. I know it's sacrilege on here as he is revered as the second coming because he puts his body on the line.

[IndigoLake]

The closest I've found to a marquee signing is John Marquis. He's a striker for Doncaster Rovers.

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[mohamed69]

We conceded 55 league goals last season.

Any accurate numbers or percentages showing Mee was at fault?

Well he was only on the pitch for 49 of them.

Of those, 14 (29%) were purely his fault (mistakes, terrible defending). If I'm being critical, 21 (43%) were his fault. Not mistakes, per se, just not good enough (i.e. the three one on ones he should've done better with vs. WBA). As I said, there were also other errors in most games that could easily have resulted in goals.

Looking at similar figures for Keane the number is much lower. Simply put: we need better.

[Stalbansclaret]

Creepy !

[bfcjg]

I got a tepid potato pie, not saying it was all Bens fault but he obviously switched off (the pie warmer)

[TVC15]

Well he was only on the pitch for 49 of them.

Of those, 14 (29%) were purely his fault (mistakes, terrible defending). If I'm being critical, 21 (43%) were his fault. Not mistakes, per se, just not good enough (i.e. the three one on ones he should've done better with vs. WBA). As I said, there were also other errors in most games that could easily have resulted in goals.

Looking at similar figures for Keane the number is much lower. Simply put: we need better.

I've looked at all the detailed statistics and can confirm that in a nutshell you are talking boll-ocks

[mohamed69]

I've looked at all the detailed statistics and can confirm that in a nutshell you are talking boll-ocks

Would love to see your analysis. I have a match by match breakdown if you'd like me to share.

[TVC15]

Would love to see your analysis. I have a match by match breakdown if you'd like me to share.

My analysis of you is that 97% of the time you are 100% a d-ick

[mohamed69]

My analysis of you is that 97% of the time you are 100% a d-ick

Do you have anything of value to add or just your exquisite wit?

[KRBFC]

It is good to see mohamed hasn't changed. After his stupid comments towards Gray last season and boasting how he himself had played at a high level in his own career (couldn't remember a team he had played for though when asked) now he's decided it is time for Mee to cop it.

cringe

[mohamed69]

cringe

I believe TVC15 had accused me of knowing nothing about football when I said Gray had an awful touch (something which is now commonly accepted on this board). To which I responded, in defence (hardly boasting), "I played to a decent standard".

Do you stand by your statements TVC15 and claretdom? Or have you seen the light? It's OK to be wrong!

[joey13]

I believe TVC15 had accused me of knowing nothing about football when I said Gray had an awful touch (something which is now commonly accepted on this board). To which I responded, in defence (hardly boasting), "I played to a decent standard".

Do you stand by your statements TVC15 and claretdom? Or have you seen the light? It's OK to be wrong!

I don't think it is now commonly accepted Gray has a poor first touch , maybe in your mind and a few others but not the majority.

[mohamed69]

I don't think it is now commonly accepted Gray has a poor first touch , maybe in your mind and a few others but not the majority.

[Grumps]

I don't think it is now commonly accepted Gray has a poor first touch , maybe in your mind and a few others but not the majority.

I rate Andre but his first touch at times isn't the best, sometimes in the championship his pace got him out of trouble, like his goal at charlton, the Premier league is less forgiving, posters on here shouldn't be shouted down for highlighting these points..

[Sidney1st]

Probably doesn't help that we didn't play to his strengths a lot of the time..

ie knock it in front of him and let him run on to it.

[dsr]

Well he was only on the pitch for 49 of them.

Of those, 14 (29%) were purely his fault (mistakes, terrible defending). If I'm being critical, 21 (43%) were his fault. Not mistakes, per se, just not good enough (i.e. the three one on ones he should've done better with vs. WBA). As I said, there were also other errors in most games that could easily have resulted in goals.

Looking at similar figures for Keane the number is much lower. Simply put: we need better.

List the 14, please. They're all on youtube, so if you list them I can watch them again. Because as it stands I think you're talking nonsense, but I'm willing to watch the goals.

PS - in what sense of the word is your post not critical?

[mohamed69]

List the 14, please. They're all on youtube, so if you list them I can watch them again. Because as it stands I think you're talking nonsense, but I'm willing to watch the goals.

PS - in what sense of the word is your post not critical?

I am being critical. Is that a problem?

1. Swansea at home - lost near post runner who assisted
2. Hull at home - brought down huddlestone leading to snodgrass free kick
3. Leicester away - beaten in air easily by slimani
4. Leicester away - own goal
5. Everton home - overcommits far up field leaving lukaku free
6. Man city home - tackled ward as hes about to clear the ball
7. Stoke away - mee slipped and his man (walters) scored
8. WHU away - conceded penalty
9. Sunderland home - mee left defoe unmarked
10. City away - tripped letting sterling through for their second
11. Arsenal away - conceded penalty
12. Swansea away - dominated in the air by llorente for winner
13. Liverpool away - went to ground for some reason allow winaldem to slot it past heaton
14. Everton home - 2nd goal deflected it in

Others that were arguably his fault / demonstrated defending that isn't good enough:

15. Leicester away - beaten one on one by Mahrez
16. - 18. WBA away - beaten in three one on ones
19. Bournemouth home - his man scored first goal
20. Spurs home - beat at back post by Alli and let cross come in
21. Utd home - lunged in on Martial allowing him to cross

[KRBFC]

I am being critical. Is that a problem?

1. Swansea at home - lost near post runner who assisted
2. Hull at home - brought down huddlestone leading to snodgrass free kick
3. Leicester away - beaten in air easily by slimani
4. Leicester away - own goal
5. Everton home - overcommits far up field leaving lukaku free
6. Man city home - tackled ward as hes about to clear the ball
7. Stoke away - mee slipped and his man (walters) scored
8. WHU away - conceded penalty
9. Sunderland home - mee left defoe unmarked
10. City away - tripped letting sterling through for their second
11. Arsenal away - conceded penalty
12. Swansea away - dominated in the air by llorente for winner
13. Liverpool away - went to ground for some reason allow winaldem to slot it past heaton
14. Everton home - 2nd goal deflected it in

Others that were arguably his fault / demonstrated defending that isn't good enough:

15. Leicester away - beaten one on one by Mahrez
16. - 18. WBA away - beaten in three one on ones
19. Bournemouth home - his man scored first goal
20. Spurs home - beat at back post by Alli and let cross come in
21. Utd home - lunged in on Martial allowing him to cross

I really like Mee but a great post, one worthy of a topic of its own. Very detailed indeed and I struggle to disagree with your list, I still dont think Mee needs replacing though .

[dsr]

I am being critical. Is that a problem?

1. Swansea at home - lost near post runner who assisted
2. Hull at home - brought down huddlestone leading to snodgrass free kick
3. Leicester away - beaten in air easily by slimani
4. Leicester away - own goal
5. Everton home - overcommits far up field leaving lukaku free
6. Man city home - tackled ward as hes about to clear the ball
7. Stoke away - mee slipped and his man (walters) scored
8. WHU away - conceded penalty
9. Sunderland home - mee left defoe unmarked
10. City away - tripped letting sterling through for their second
11. Arsenal away - conceded penalty
12. Swansea away - dominated in the air by llorente for winner
13. Liverpool away - went to ground for some reason allow winaldem to slot it past heaton
14. Everton home - 2nd goal deflected it in

Others that were arguably his fault / demonstrated defending that isn't good enough:

15. Leicester away - beaten one on one by Mahrez
16. - 18. WBA away - beaten in three one on ones
19. Bournemouth home - his man scored first goal
20. Spurs home - beat at back post by Alli and let cross come in
21. Utd home - lunged in on Martial allowing him to cross

You're just a timewaster, aren't you?

I've watched a few of them, but there's actually no point watching them all because we're just not talking about the same sort of thing. You're working on the idea that if the defenders do their job properly, there will never be a goal scored; I reckon that sometimes goals will go in simply because the attackers sometimes win the battle. The reason no team has ever gone through a season without conceding a goal is because that's how football is; it's not that defenders keep making mistakes, it's because it is impossible to stop everything.

But some of your points are totally illogical anyway. You say that the Leicester own goal is purely his fault. No-one else, just him. Mahrez had the ball covered one on one by Lowton, Lowton didn't stop the cross, Mee put it in, Mee's fault.

But Leicester's second goal, Mee covered Mahrez one on one and didn't stop the cross, and so it's Mee's fault. Why isn't Lowton expected to stop crosses but Mee is? And even if you accept that Lowton was at fault and therefore Mee wasn't purely the only one at fault for his own goal, are you seriously saying that if a defender is marking Mahrez, in the penalty area, and Mahrez has the ball at his feet and facing the goal, that defender should never allow Mahrez to cross? You're in cloud cuckoo land, I'm afraid. Certainly if you want to replace Mee with a defender who can guarantee to stop every Mahrez assist (even when the whole side is playing abysmally), then you're moving out of our price range and out of the realm of human possibility.

You seem to think that no forward should ever win a header in the penalty area. You have no idea of even the basics of defending, or you would be able to see why Mee went to ground to block against Winaldem - it was to block the shot, which he did. You clearly don't realise that Dyche tells players to try and block shots, not to get out of the way, so the deflection against Everton was Dyche's fault, not Mee's. (Quite apart from being at Goodison.)

[mohamed69]

You're just a timewaster, aren't you?

I've watched a few of them, but there's actually no point watching them all because we're just not talking about the same sort of thing. You're working on the idea that if the defenders do their job properly, there will never be a goal scored; I reckon that sometimes goals will go in simply because the attackers sometimes win the battle. The reason no team has ever gone through a season without conceding a goal is because that's how football is; it's not that defenders keep making mistakes, it's because it is impossible to stop everything.

But some of your points are totally illogical anyway. You say that the Leicester own goal is purely his fault. No-one else, just him. Mahrez had the ball covered one on one by Lowton, Lowton didn't stop the cross, Mee put it in, Mee's fault.

But Leicester's second goal, Mee covered Mahrez one on one and didn't stop the cross, and so it's Mee's fault. Why isn't Lowton expected to stop crosses but Mee is? And even if you accept that Lowton was at fault and therefore Mee wasn't purely the only one at fault for his own goal, are you seriously saying that if a defender is marking Mahrez, in the penalty area, and Mahrez has the ball at his feet and facing the goal, that defender should never allow Mahrez to cross? You're in cloud cuckoo land, I'm afraid. Certainly if you want to replace Mee with a defender who can guarantee to stop every Mahrez assist (even when the whole side is playing abysmally), then you're moving out of our price range and out of the realm of human possibility.

You seem to think that no forward should ever win a header in the penalty area. You have no idea of even the basics of defending, or you would be able to see why Mee went to ground to block against Winaldem - it was to block the shot, which he did. You clearly don't realise that Dyche tells players to try and block shots, not to get out of the way, so the deflection against Everton was Dyche's fault, not Mee's. (Quite apart from being at Goodison.)

Watch all the goals again and see how many lowton, ward and Keane are at fault for vs. Mee. It's very clear. Not to mention, as I've said, the other mistakes that occurred most games that usually resulted in a save from Heaton.

[mohamed69]

I reckon that sometimes goals will go in simply because the attackers sometimes win the battle. The reason no team has ever gone through a season without conceding a goal is because that's how football is; it's not that defenders keep making mistakes, it's because it is impossible to stop everything.

Of course. I haven't included goals that weren't a result of poor defending.

[mohamed69]

You seem to think that no forward should ever win a header in the penalty area. You have no idea of even the basics of defending, or you would be able to see why Mee went to ground to block against Winaldem - it was to block the shot, which he did. You clearly don't realise that Dyche tells players to try and block shots, not to get out of the way, so the deflection against Everton was Dyche's fault, not Mee's. (Quite apart from being at Goodison.)

I think a CH shouldn't be absolutely dominated in the air as he was against llorente, slimani and alfreton.

At a very young age as a defender you are taught to not go to ground unless absolutely necessary. I am positive SD would not have been happy that he went to his knees vs winjaldem...it's basic stuff. You can block much better while on your feet and without losing any mobility. The deflection vs Everton may be harsh, but I left some goals out where he didn't try to block and watched it go in the corner.

[dsr]

So you're saying that even when Loriente is running on with prefect timing to a perfect cross, and is allowed to use his hands to push Mee out of the way, Mee is still at fault for letting him score? If that counts as a bad defensive error, then you must surely be saying that no forward should ever score a header.

[mohamed69]

So you're saying that even when Loriente is running on with prefect timing to a perfect cross, and is allowed to use his hands to push Mee out of the way, Mee is still at fault for letting him score? If that counts as a bad defensive error, then you must surely be saying that no forward should ever score a header.

Yes I judge that as a defensive error. It's a one on one situation which Mee should do better in. The push threw him off. SD always talks about the bit of naivete the players still have about life in the prem...I think this is a perfect example of that. How many times did this happen to Keane, a much younger and less experienced player?

[dsr]

Yes I judge that as a defensive error. It's a one on one situation which Mee should do better in. The push threw him off. SD always talks about the bit of naivete the players still have about life in the prem...I think this is a perfect example of that. How many times did this happen to Keane, a much younger and less experienced player?

Does Mee in your opinion ever do anything well, ie. make stops that other defenders might not, thus getting a few credit scores? And of the 14 flagrant errors, how many would you estimate a likely replacement defender would stop - all of them?

[mohamed69]

Does Mee in your opinion ever do anything well, ie. make stops that other defenders might not, thus getting a few credit scores? And of the 14 flagrant errors, how many would you estimate a likely replacement defender would stop - all of them?

Yes he does things well, of course. Usually risky blocks and last ditch tackles (hence the mistakes). It's harder to quantify these things. His distribution leaves a lot to be desired also. For some reason he slipped A LOT...not sure if this is a footwear issue but you would have expected it to be resolved after the first couple of times.

I think a realistic, suitable replacement defender could have prevented half of those errors. Keane had 5-6 of these errors, for example. Will be interesting to see how Tarky does.

[TVC15]

I believe TVC15 had accused me of knowing nothing about football when I said Gray had an awful touch (something which is now commonly accepted on this board). To which I responded, in defence (hardly boasting), "I played to a decent standard".

Do you stand by your statements TVC15 and claretdom? Or have you seen the light? It's OK to be wrong!

Why would I not stand by my statement ? You were made to look the pr-ick you are back then and you are doing the same thing all over again now.

The fact that you say you play to a decent standard is embarrassing. Even if there was any reason to believe that was correct it would not make any difference whatsoever to you being a total idiot who knows nothing about the game.

To compile a list like you have where you are making comments like "beaten by his man" referring to £30m strikers like Slimani and Llorente out jumping Mee is ridiculous. The Lukaku one is laughable - it was Keane who was rolled by Lukaku yet Mee gets the blame.

The way you have analysed the goals means every single goal we conceded is one of our players faults because it must have been either one of the defenders men who scored or one of our players was beaten to the ball etc. Under your "blame" system then Mee probably did well. Lowton got skinned in nearly every away game up to Christmas so he could be considered at fault for almost every goal.

In fact Heaton let every goal in (when he played) - surely Tom is to blame....its his job to stop the ball not let it go in.

Why don't you go down to the club and explain you play at a "decent standard" ? I'm sure they'd listen to you. Dyche would probably give you a job - right after he lets Gray and Mee go after listening to your in depth analysis.

Either that or they would think you are f'in mental

[mohamed69]

Why would I not stand by my statement ? You were made to look the pr-ick you are back then and you are doing the same thing all over again now.

So you still think gray has a good touch?

[mohamed69]

The Lukaku one is laughable - it was Keane who was rolled by Lukaku yet Mee gets the blame.

Wrong goal, idiot

[TVC15]

So you still think gray has a good touch?

It looked decent enough when he scored his hat trick and then you f-ucked off and had a 6 month w-ank you sad tw-at.

[mohamed69]

To compile a list like you have where you are making comments like "beaten by his man" referring to £30m strikers like Slimani and Llorente out jumping Mee is ridiculous. The Lukaku one is laughable - it was Keane who was rolled by Lukaku yet Mee gets the blame.

These are the players we face every week in the premier league, so this is who we should judging our players against. There aren't too many starting strikers in the prem worth less than 30m these days!

You clearly have a very rudimentary understanding of the game.

[mohamed69]

It looked decent enough when he scored his hat trick and then you f-ucked off and had a 6 month w-ank you sad tw-at.

He only scored 4 in the following 19. I correctly predicted he would score less than 10.

Great touch I really can't stop laughing. Either you need your eyes checking or you literally have no clue when it comes to football.

[TVC15]

And you are very clearly a thick c-unt.

Now f-uck back to wherever you have been for the last 6 months.

But before you do why don't you list every goal we conceded and tell us whose fault it is.....and then f-uck off please

[mohamed69]

And you are very clearly a thick c-unt.

Now f-uck back to wherever you have been for the last 6 months.

But before you do why don't you list every goal we conceded and tell us whose fault it is.....and then f-uck off please

Is that all you can say? Haha great arguments. You are brilliant. Gray has a great touch

[TVC15]

If you can find one post where I said he had a great touch then feel free to post it.

You are a fuc-king idiot.

[mohamed69]

If you can find one post where I said he had a great touch then feel free to post it.

You are a fuc-king idiot.

You have repeatedly defended his touch. We aren't all as blind / stupid as you !

[bartons baggage]

cringe

Why don't you share your vile racist comment,you made the other week with mohamed69?

[KRBFC]

Why don't you share your vile racist comment,you made the other week with mohamed69?

Racist racist racist. Bore off you precious softy.
I'm not racist, I hate all religion, my post wasn't about the colour of ones skin, it was religious based. I guess I'm racist towards white Catholics too then? Because I hate religion.

[bartons baggage]

But you used the term "smelly paki" and it was seen by several posters, so yeah you are a racist.

[IanMcL]

Is the Marquee signing possibly Lazar Marqueeovic?