Trump's Lies

[BennyD]

I'm not the one who said it will be proven a failure. I only think it will be a failure.
You were quite clear that it will be proven a success, which means this success will be measurable. I'd just like to know from you what those measurements will look like.

You seem to be firing from the hip saying it was a stupid, ignorant decision. Why? Prove to us all why it was so rather than just declare your opinion as being a fact. Only time will tell so why not stfu until it becomes apparent one way or the other.

[ClaretMoffitt]

brexit will happen.

i voted remain but i think we should honour the referendum. most remainers i speak to feel that way.

it will not be in our interest, particularly in the short term but the sky won't fall down.

sometimes in life you get what you deserve.

In fairness I don;t think anyone who voted brexit thought it would be anything other than rocky in the short term (5 years or so) they made the decision thinking about the next 50 years.

[levraiclaret]

He makes a good point though.

Whether we like it or not (or more importantly, whether they like it or not) the generation that had everything hasn't left a right lot left for the youngsters coming through, and they are unlikely to forget it.

I don't think the country needs yet another divide but we have one.

I expected better knowledge from you Lancaster but then you didn't live through those days.

The elderly "generation that had everything" really didn't you know, the proportion that had free university education was a small minority, under 5% whilst the remainder started work. Wages were not that generous back then, there was little job security or health and safety, many of the industries were hard, dangerous and in decline. Maybe if today's elderly had the same opportunity for degree level education as today's young, more of us would have voted remain.

The people who are retiring now have paid their national insurance for many decades for the state pension and in the private sector final salary "gold standard" pension schemes have been closing for three decades because the increasing longevity made them unaffordable.

In terms of the EU referendum the young did not come out to vote as enthusiastically as the did when they were promised they were going to get free university education and student debt written off. If they had or if the labour leadership had campaigned more enthusiastically for remain, maybe the result would have been different.

[BennyD]

Sorry to have to spell it out but unfortunately it's true, the vote was like an intelligence test which the leave voters failed.

Ask anyone why they voted for Brexit and the answers will be either..

a: ignorant

b. stupid

c: both

The intelligent choice was to remain, not leave.

In your humble opinion. You voted and the vote didn't go your way so get over it and move on rather than lash out like a 3 year old throwing a tantrum.

[yTib]

In fairness I don;t think anyone who voted brexit thought it would be anything other than rocky in the short term (5 years or so) they made the decision thinking about the next 50 years.

haha. if you believe that you are a bigger fool than i thought.

the primary motivation for leaving the eu was immigration. pure and simple.

[ClaretMoffitt]

I expected better knowledge from you Lancaster but then you didn't live through those days.

The elderly "generation that had everything" really didn't you know, the proportion that had free university education was a small minority, under 5% whilst the remainder started work. Wages were not that generous back then, there was little job security or health and safety, many of the industries were hard, dangerous and in decline. Maybe if today's elderly had the same opportunity for degree level education as today's young, more of us would have voted remain.

The people who are retiring now have paid their national insurance for many decades for the state pension and in the private sector final salary "gold standard" pension schemes have been closing for three decades because the increasing longevity made them unaffordable.

In terms of the EU referendum the young did not come out to vote as enthusiastically as the did when they were promised they were going to get free university education and student debt written off. If they had or if the labour leadership had campaigned more enthusiastically for remain, maybe the result would have been different.

Agree with everything in this post apart from the last part.

even if every 18-24 year old in the country registered to vote and they voted at the suggested 80% remain ratio (which I think is hugely inflated but whatever), it still wouldn't have been enough to overturn the result.

[Imploding Turtle]

You seem to be firing from the hip saying it was a stupid, ignorant decision. Why? Prove to us all why it was so rather than just declare your opinion as being a fact. Only time will tell so why not stfu until it becomes apparent one way or the other.

You keep demanding that i prove my opinions as a means of deflecting from the fact that you said Brexit will be proven a success and yes you have no idea what that proof of success will even look like. If you did you'd have answered by now.

[ClaretMoffitt]

haha. if you believe that you are a bigger fool than i thought.

the primary motivation for leaving the eu was immigration. pure and simple.

Actually it was a combination of;

Immigration
Worry over over-population and how its affecting services
Watching the migrant crisis unfold (this is a big one and very understated if that never happened, we'd be staying in the EU imo)
Watching the terror attacks happening all over Europe
A growing sense of anti-globalism amongst the working class who have failed to benefit from it
A feeling of needing to kick the establishment and elites in the arse
A national resentment foreign powers influencing domestic policy
A fear of losing our national identity in favour of a more globalist outlook.
Disillusionment over spending vast sums of money on political unionism when our services were struggling.
A sense that our democracy an sovereignty was being negatively affected by international institutionalism

Theres probably way more, but I can't be bothered to think about it any longer. I mean, you're a troll, article 50 has already been invoked and Brexit is gonna happen so there isn't really much point regardless. Whether we get a real brexit, or a fake brexit remains to be seen. Either way, it was nice to watch the collective hissy fit by the middle classes and political elites when the working classes gave them a massive "f**k you" last June.

[Spijed]

A feeling of needing to kick the establishment and elites in the arse

And yet how many who voted for Brexit want to get rid of the Royal family, and their close friends?

I can't think of anything more elitist.

[ClaretMoffitt]

And yet how many who voted for Brexit want to get rid of the Royal family, and their close friends?

I can't think of anything more elitist.

The public don't feel like the Royal Family are directly shitting on them in quite the same way as politicians and big businesses. That's mostly because they aren't.

[BennyD]

You keep demanding that i prove my opinions as a means of deflecting from the fact that you said Brexit will be proven a success and yes you have no idea what that proof of success will even look like. If you did you'd have answered by now.

When the EU implodes, as it surely will, I will try and not say 'I told you so' but I can't promise it. In the meantime, I'm happy to wait to prove my point, you obviously aren't. That's your problem, deal with it.

[yTib]

Actually it was a combination of;

Immigration
Worry over over-population and how its affecting services
Watching the migrant crisis unfold (this is a big one and very understated if that never happened, we'd be staying in the EU imo)
Watching the terror attacks happening all over Europe
A growing sense of anti-globalism amongst the working class who have failed to benefit from it
A feeling of needing to kick the establishment and elites in the arse
A national resentment foreign powers influencing domestic policy
A fear of losing our national identity in favour of a more globalist outlook.
Disillusionment over spending vast sums of money on political unionism when our services were struggling.
A sense that our democracy an sovereignty was being negatively affected by international institutionalism

Theres probably way more, but I can't be bothered to think about it any longer. I mean, you're a troll, article 50 has already been invoked and Brexit is gonna happen so there isn't really much point regardless. Whether we get a real brexit, or a fake brexit remains to be seen. Either way, it was nice to watch the collective hissy fit by the middle classes and political elites when the working classes gave them a massive "f**k you" last June.

the other factors you site might have had an impact but not enough to leave the largest free-trading block in the world.

nope, it was good old xenophobia what done it.

[BennyD]

Yet another supercilious prick that knows everything.

[yTib]

benny you have literally nothing to contribute.

because you are stupid. everyone knows it but you.

did you have to look up the word 'supercilious'?

[ClaretMoffitt]

the other factors you site might have had an impact but not enough to leave the largest free-trading block in the world.

nope, it was good old xenophobia what done it.

52% of the voting population of one of the worlds most tolerant countries are xenophobic.

[yTib]

one of the world's most tolerant countries.

tee hee.

[ClaretMoffitt]

one of the world's most tolerant countries.

tee hee.

Anyone from any country or any culture/religion/sexual orientation can come to this country and live in freedom and peace without interference or threat on any kind of signifcant scale from either it's indigenous people or the authorities providing they don't break the law. That is tolerant. You think that kind of civility is the norm across the world?

[Spijed]

The public don't feel like the Royal Family are directly shitting on them in quite the same way as politicians and big businesses. That's mostly because they aren't.

And yet without all these big businesses how on earth are people going to find employment? Do they want all those big businesses to leave the UK and relocate to Europe, as that might well now happen.

How idiotic will that be?

[yTib]

Anyone from any country or any culture/religion can come to this country and live in freedom and peace without interference or threat on any kind of signifcant scale from either it's indigenous people or the authorities providing they don't break the law. That is tolerant. You think that kind of civility is the norm across the world?

no i don't. that was my point.

many people would cite america as the land of the free but they still execute folk.

don't get carried away by thinking everyone who voted to leave the eu is civilised.

there's nowt so queer as folk.

[ClaretMoffitt]

And yet without all these big businesses how on earth are people going to find employment? Do they want all those big businesses to leave the UK and relocate to Europe, as that might well now happen.

How idiotic will that be?

I'll believe that when I see it.


And no, they don't want that. They just wanted to help slow the wheels of globalization and to limit the flow of cheap and easy labour being imported from abroad that they can directly see diminishing their living standards. Its all well and good when the flow of unskilled labour drives the coffee, trades work and retail prices down on the luxuries of the middle classes, but it's not so sweet for those at the bottom of the ladder who have to contend not only with competition for low contracts and low pay at home, but also an entire continent of competitors for those roles too. What do you think that kind of supply and demand does to those already bad contracts?

[Spijed]

I'll believe that when I see it.


And no, they don't want that. They just wanted to help slow the wheels of globalization and to limit the flow of cheap and easy labour being imported from abroad that they can directly see diminishing their living standards. Its all well and good when the flow of unskilled labour drives the coffee, trades work and retail prices down on the luxuries of the middle classes, but it's not so sweet for those at the bottom of the ladder who have to contend not only with competition for low contracts and low pay at home, but also an entire continent of competitors for those roles too. What do you think that kind of supply and demand does to those already bad contracts?

We employ less cheap labour than anyone else.

[Imploding Turtle]

When the EU implodes, as it surely will, I will try and not say 'I told you so' but I can't promise it. In the meantime, I'm happy to wait to prove my point, you obviously aren't. That's your problem, deal with it.

I'm only asking you to tell me what that proof will look like. Why is that such a difficult question to answer, unless you haven't considered it anywhere near as deeply as you would like to suggest?

[Imploding Turtle]

Yet another supercilious prick that knows everything.

You learned a new word today, didn't you? Bless.

[Claret-On-A-T-Rex]

In your humble opinion. You voted and the vote didn't go your way so get over it and move on rather than lash out like a 3 year old throwing a tantrum.

Did I vote?

What did I vote for?

Who am I?

Where do I live?

All things you obviously don't know.

It isn't my humble opinion either, anyone who voted for a load of crap written on the side of a bus is an idiot. That's a fact.

I've read all the reasons quoted above about why people voted Brexit and guess what?

That's right, they are either stupid, ignorant or both. Here are some:

"Immigration
Worry over over-population and how its affecting services
Watching the migrant crisis unfold (this is a big one and very understated if that never happened, we'd be staying in the EU imo)
Watching the terror attacks happening all over Europe
A growing sense of anti-globalism amongst the working class who have failed to benefit from it
A feeling of needing to kick the establishment and elites in the arse
A national resentment foreign powers influencing domestic policy
A fear of losing our national identity in favour of a more globalist outlook.
Disillusionment over spending vast sums of money on political unionism when our services were struggling.
A sense that our democracy an sovereignty was being negatively affected by international institutionalism."

[IanMcL]

The alternative being, 'Little Britain' assured of decline.

[JohnMcGreal]

And yet without all these big businesses how on earth are people going to find employment? Do they want all those big businesses to leave the UK and relocate to Europe, as that might well now happen.

How idiotic will that be?

I'll believe that when I see it.

Headline:
Jeremy Corbyn plans to increase corporation tax to better fund public services.

Right wing Brexit voter:
That crazy commie will scare all the businesses away and will trash the economy! Don't vote for that nutter!

Headline:
Cutting ourselves off from the Continent could force many companies to relocate their operations to Europe, meaning job losses in the UK.

Right wing Brexit voter:
Nah, I doubt that will happen. Sounds like scaremongering to me.

[ClaretMoffitt]

Headline:
Jeremy Corbyn plans to increase corporation tax to better fund public services.

Right wing Brexit voter:
That crazy commie will scare all the businesses away and will trash the economy! Don't vote for that nutter!

Headline:
Cutting ourselves off from the Continent could force many companies to relocate their operations to Europe, meaning job losses in the UK.

Right wing Brexit voter:
Nah, I doubt that will happen. Sounds like scaremongering to me.

So you do agree that Corbyn is a crazy commie then?

[Lancasterclaret]

I expected better knowledge from you Lancaster but then you didn't live through those days.

The elderly "generation that had everything" really didn't you know, the proportion that had free university education was a small minority, under 5% whilst the remainder started work. Wages were not that generous back then, there was little job security or health and safety, many of the industries were hard, dangerous and in decline. Maybe if today's elderly had the same opportunity for degree level education as today's young, more of us would have voted remain.

The people who are retiring now have paid their national insurance for many decades for the state pension and in the private sector final salary "gold standard" pension schemes have been closing for three decades because the increasing longevity made them unaffordable.

In terms of the EU referendum the young did not come out to vote as enthusiastically as the did when they were promised they were going to get free university education and student debt written off. If they had or if the labour leadership had campaigned more enthusiastically for remain, maybe the result would have been different.

I'd disagree with most of your post to be honest. The older generation today are not prepared to change the current status quo. If they are not careful, then it will be changed for them by the likes of Corbyn.

[BennyD]

Did I vote?

What did I vote for?

Who am I?

Where do I live?

All things you obviously don't know.

It isn't my humble opinion either, anyone who voted for a load of crap written on the side of a bus is an idiot. That's a fact.

I've read all the reasons quoted above about why people voted Brexit and guess what?

That's right, they are either stupid, ignorant or both. Here are some:

"Immigration
Worry over over-population and how its affecting services
Watching the migrant crisis unfold (this is a big one and very understated if that never happened, we'd be staying in the EU imo)
Watching the terror attacks happening all over Europe
A growing sense of anti-globalism amongst the working class who have failed to benefit from it
A feeling of needing to kick the establishment and elites in the arse
A national resentment foreign powers influencing domestic policy
A fear of losing our national identity in favour of a more globalist outlook.
Disillusionment over spending vast sums of money on political unionism when our services were struggling.
A sense that our democracy an sovereignty was being negatively affected by international institutionalism."

Of course you voted, because if you didn't you are the d!ck. Just because you don't agree with the reasons why people voted to leave doesn't mean they stupid and/or ignorant, fact. They voted the way they wanted and the majority voted to leave, get over it. If not, move across to the continent and live in the utopia that you think the EU is.

[Lancasterclaret]

You need a better argument that that thou Benny.

leave have had a year to sort stuff out so we won't take a hit.

Anyone think they are doing anything other than a appalling job?

[RingoMcCartney]

Headline:
Jeremy Corbyn plans to increase corporation tax to better fund public services.

Right wing Brexit voter:
That crazy commie will scare all the businesses away and will trash the economy! Don't vote for that nutter!

Headline:
Cutting ourselves off from the Continent could force many companies to relocate their operations to Europe, meaning job losses in the UK.

Right wing Brexit voter:
Nah, I doubt that will happen. Sounds like scaremongering to me.

Headline ;

Corbyn is a left wing brexit voter.He voted to leave in 1975. He voted against the Maastrcict and Lisbon treaties.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-e ... m-35743994" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1185964 ... -1975.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Hysterical left wing Remoaner:

That's really confused me now. Also, does it mean that when I go on the Turf, given that Burnley voted Labour AND Brexit, that, not only have I been calling the vast majority of people sat round me, "uneducated, xenophobic, racist idiots" That like the Labour leader, they too are Left Wing Brexiteers!?

My pretty ickle Remoaner head weeeally hurts now!

[RingoMcCartney]

Did I vote?

What did I vote for?

Who am I?

Where do I live?

All things you obviously don't know.

It isn't my humble opinion either, anyone who voted for a load of crap written on the side of a bus is an idiot. That's a fact.

I've read all the reasons quoted above about why people voted Brexit and guess what?

That's right, they are either stupid, ignorant or both. Here are some:

"Immigration
Worry over over-population and how its affecting services
Watching the migrant crisis unfold (this is a big one and very understated if that never happened, we'd be staying in the EU imo)
Watching the terror attacks happening all over Europe
A growing sense of anti-globalism amongst the working class who have failed to benefit from it
A feeling of needing to kick the establishment and elites in the arse
A national resentment foreign powers influencing domestic policy
A fear of losing our national identity in favour of a more globalist outlook.
Disillusionment over spending vast sums of money on political unionism when our services were struggling.
A sense that our democracy an sovereignty was being negatively affected by international institutionalism."

"That's right, they are either stupid, ignorant or both"

Given the way Burnley voted in the referendum.

Better stay away from the Turf then. Given you'd have to risk rubbing shoulders, with stupid, ignorant lower order types. Instead of far more sophisticated and inetectually superior Remoaners eh!?

Yes best to avoid any potential match day, thick brexiteer, contamination. And stick to what you're best at - Smug and lofty self aggrandising with a good dollop of sneering thrown in for good measure.

[Imploding Turtle]

It's funny how the people who complain so much about political correctness ruining their lives are always quick to get terrible upset when someone else talks harshly about them. The poor mites.

[ClaretMoffitt]

It's funny how the people who complain so much about political correctness ruining their lives are always quick to get terrible upset when someone else talks harshly about them. The poor mites.

I'm only against political correctness when it actively obstructs social progression, truth and justice.

[Imploding Turtle]

I'm only against political correctness when it actively obstructs social progression, truth and justice.

So you agree political correctness is a good thing but that some people misuse it.

[Lancasterclaret]

I'm only against political correctness when it actively obstructs social progression, truth and justice.

Worst superhero tagline ever

[Caballo]

Decided to remove my comments because I cba with the inevitable responses.

[ClaretMoffitt]

So you agree political correctness is a good thing but that some people misuse it.

I suppose so, yeah. Whats your point?

[Damo]

Putin to expel 755 US diplomats from Russia.
Hillary might get her nuclear holocaust yet
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[BennyD]

So you agree political correctness is a good thing but that some people misuse it.

No! PC is responsible for the most kick backs from ' normal' folk; PC is the Liberal Elite trying to control the masses so bolloxs to them and the horse they rode into town on. Whilst I appreciate that you are merely 'stirring the pot' it doesn't mean you aren't a tw4t for doing so. You clever c*nt.

[levraiclaret]

I'd disagree with most of your post to be honest. The older generation today are not prepared to change the current status quo. If they are not careful, then it will be changed for them by the likes of Corbyn.

You disagree but you don't provide your reasoning. You will have to provide a better argument than that though Lancaster,

Tell us about doing National Service in Aden or Cyprus or have you conveniently left out how easy that was in your assessment.

Why should the elderly disrupt the status quo? It is much harder to cope with economic disruption on fixed incomes and as we age change is less welcome though still inevitable. The state pension is not a living wage and those with other pensions/income are subject to income tax like everyone else.

The young (and I am not just talking about under 25) can't blame the elderly for Brexit if they didn't vote.

[Lancasterclaret]

Right.

You've a fixed income. You will have had your own house. You will have had job security. You will have had a chance to take advantage of the sell offs of our infrastructure. you will have the chance to live and work in Europe. You will have had a better standard of living than your parents. I could go on but there is little point.

And this is the crucial point. If u served in aden or Cyprus, you are going to be in your mid seventies at least. Guessing you were national service?

You decided that all you've had is to be denied to those younger than you, and you won"t have to live with the consequences. You've (unintentionally I'm sure) given a green light to those who don't like the IRREVERSIBLE changes to our pop and society over the last seventy years.

we are where we are. Trying to turn the clock back is a waste of time and risks a hell of a lot, including the break up of a union that has lasted for over 300 years.

And just in case it's not clear, every generation has helped us be what and who we are today, and everything that every generation has given is appreciated.

[Imploding Turtle]

No! PC is responsible for the most kick backs from ' normal' folk; PC is the Liberal Elite trying to control the masses so bolloxs to them and the horse they rode into town on. Whilst I appreciate that you are merely 'stirring the pot' it doesn't mean you aren't a tw4t for doing so. You clever c*nt.

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[IanMcL]

And Trump lies on.

[Damo]

Right.

You've a fixed income. You will have had your own house. You will have had job security. You will have had a chance to take advantage of the sell offs of our infrastructure. you will have the chance to live and work in Europe. You will have had a better standard of living than your parents. I could go on but there is little point.

Leaving the e.u won't deny anyone the right to anything you have listed.
In fact if anything, things like job security, and the chance to own your own home have certainly declined in the past 40 years in places like east Lancashire.

[Imploding Turtle]

Leaving the e.u won't deny anyone the right to anything you have listed.
In fact if anything, things like job security, and the chance to own your own home have certainly declined in the past 40 years in places like east Lancashire.

What rights will we gain?

[Damo]

What rights will we gain?

That's a great question Charlie.

You will never have the right to own a house and will never have the right to endless employment.

If you work hard enough then you may be afforded those privileges though. And leaving the EU in my opinion will provide opportunities for people in the north to do so.

Like the elderly had to all those years ago

[Imploding Turtle]

That's a great question Charlie.

You will never have the right to own a house and will never have the right to endless employment.

If you work hard enough then you may be afforded those privileges though. And leaving the EU in my opinion will provide opportunities for people in the north to do so.

Like the elderly had to all those years ago

I'm sorry, but i seem to recall the argument for leaving being that the EU was restricting our rights. I'm just yet to hear anyone explain what rights we will gain, or regain. Which is crazy when you consider that it's been over a year since the vote.

[Spijed]

That's a great question Charlie.

You will never have the right to own a house and will never have the right to endless employment.

If you work hard enough then you may be afforded those privileges though. And leaving the EU in my opinion will provide opportunities for people in the north to do so.

Like the elderly had to all those years ago

It's interesting that no-one who wanted to leave can list any benefits of leaving the EU, nor any laws that have a detrimental effect on the way we live our lives in the UK.

[JohnMcGreal]

What rights will we gain?

We'll have the right to carry a blue passport. What more do you want?