Gray to Watford story

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 3:18 pm

dermotdermot wrote:You could tell that he was on his way after he scored against Notts.Forest. No celebration. No congratulations from other players. Just a belated handshake from one player. Shame really.

It was a pre-season game. What do you want him to do, run the length of the pitch swirling his shirt above his head?

Guich · Post by **Guich** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 3:20 pm

If Andre hadn't scored three in half an hour against an incredibly weak Sunderland defence we'd be laughing our heads off at this.

Reecey1987 · Post by **Reecey1987** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 3:23 pm

Guich wrote:If Andre hadn't scored three in half an hour against an incredibly weak Sunderland defence we'd be laughing our heads off at this.

I think its just the fact we dont have anybody else lined up is the worrying thing . I think the fee were getting is good but surely it should be 1 in 1 out at this stage . Not sell one of our star assets and not replace him . Not only that the timing isnt the best

Im_not_Robbie_Blake · Post by **Im_not_Robbie_Blake** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 3:27 pm

Here's a thought......
Let's wait and see.

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 3:32 pm

Reecey1987 wrote:I think its just the fact we dont have anybody else lined up is the worrying thing . I think the fee were getting is good but surely it should be 1 in 1 out at this stage . Not sell one of our star assets and not replace him . Not only that the timing isnt the best

How do you, or anybody else know we don't have a replacement in mind? How?

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 3:33 pm

Im_not_Robbie_Blake wrote:Here's a thought......
Let's wait and see.

Worst advice ever.

Let's all scream and scream until we're sick.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 3:36 pm

Bringing any striker in now will be pot luck, the ones we've got are likely to have to do the business

Raggus · Post by **Raggus** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 3:39 pm

ablueclaret wrote:Bringing any striker in now will be pot luck, the ones we've got are likely to have to do the business

So Watford bringing in gray now is pot luck?
Or the fact bringing in any player at anytime is pot luck?

Braindead · Post by **Braindead** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 3:39 pm

ablueclaret wrote:Bringing any striker in now will be pot luck, the ones we've got are likely to have to do the business

Bringing in any player in any position at any time is pot luck - there are no guarantees.

LaLigaClaret · Post by **LaLigaClaret** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 3:41 pm

No-one knows whether we have a replacement primed ready to join us or not. However if we haven't then we are in a pretty poor state given there are very few names being suggested as being candidates worthy of consideration and there only being three weeks of the window left. Hoping we might identify someone who could be sold to us and hoping we don't suffer rival bids for them is a massive gamble. If we don't recruit a suitable replacement it would be ridiculous and would make our recruitment pathetic and bordering on sabotaging our season.

Letting Gray go to a potential relegation rival is bad enough but wimping out on Assombalonga now looks even more bonkers given what is now happening. I know lots of posters will defend anything and everything the club does but not having a replacement striker would be completely indefensible. I know Burnley can't afford to let Gray leave for nothing next year but we should never sell a player before we have the incoming first in the current situation we are in.

The Keane saga is another ridiculous example of how the club is so inept at times. There was no need to sell him before we had the incoming in place first and now we are relying on a CB untested in the Prem in Tarks, Long who wouldn't normally be a third CB at any other Prem team and Anderson who is not really been tested at any level to now partner Mee. Lowton has no-one challenging him for a place except Bardsley, no attacking right winger and no decent 3rd striker let alone a 4th striker at Prem standard.

Having said all the above I am sure we will recruit more incomings before the window shuts however my real concern is twofold. Firstly the incomings might not be of a good enough standard especially with regard to strikers (yes we now need 2 more) and secondly I am not sure SD will be around after Christmas if we don't recruit quality incomings by Sept 1st.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 3:42 pm

Gray is a pot-luck signing for them this season he may fire he may no but they can be pretty certain that given time to bed in they've got a player who will score at this level and who should do so for the next 3-4 years. Wish that we had such a luxury.

We're all brute force now.

ecc · Post by **ecc** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 3:50 pm

Quality post and it's impossible to argue with Notts' statement:

Re: Gray to Watford story

Postby NottsClaret » Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:10 am

"Jay Rod, Austin, Ings and now Gray have left. In that time, we've improved pretty much every season.

I'll start crying when we actually start getting worse."

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 3:50 pm

Dyched wrote:Player power?? How? He signed a contract here and has a year left. It's now up to the club if they want to risk losing a fee by keeping him or make a profit on him. Andre Gray doesn't have to sign a new contract.

Yes, that's a fairly accurate description of player power.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 3:55 pm

Bring in a couple of promising young strikers and few will be moaning.

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 3:56 pm

Id say player power was downing tools and refusing to work and demanding a move with a few years still left on his contract.

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 4:13 pm

That's the extreme. Usually these days if a player wants a move, they'll get it. It's not in a clubs interests to keep a player who doesn't want to play for them, unless they can afford to of course, which we can't.

IndigoLake · Post by **IndigoLake** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 4:13 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:It was a pre-season game. What do you want him to do, run the length of the pitch swirling his shirt above his head?

That would have been pretty funny to be fair.

Reecey1987 · Post by **Reecey1987** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 4:16 pm

I think this thread has gained at least 200 new posts since this morning

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 4:16 pm

Reecey1987 wrote:I think this thread has gained at least 200 new posts since this morning

And he's still a Burnley player...

MarkGreen · Post by **MarkGreen** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 4:16 pm

Officially announced by watford

IndigoLake · Post by **IndigoLake** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 4:20 pm

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https://www.watfordfc.com/teams/first-t ... record-fee" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 4:21 pm

MarkGreen wrote:Officially announced by watford

...and us too - comedy timing by me as usual

brexit · Post by **brexit** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 4:23 pm

However, the former England C international made it clear he would not be looking to renew a deal which had just 12 months still to run.

What is England C?

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 4:23 pm

quoonbeatz wrote:That's the extreme. Usually these days if a player wants a move, they'll get it. It's not in a clubs interests to keep a player who doesn't want to play for them, unless they can afford to of course, which we can't.

Yes but the term "player power" is strong. He's come here done his job and wants to do the same job for more money. Who can blame him(others) for that.

I just don't like the term "player power"

CrosspoolClarets · Post by **CrosspoolClarets** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 4:24 pm

Well he's gone with the usual platitudes leaving it impossible for any of us to know what has really gone on. Did we want to keep him? Did we make a serious contract offer? Did he want to stay? Who knows.

Now it's all about who we get to replace him. I'm excited, recent history is good with strikers.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 4:24 pm

He's a racist homophobe anyway.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 4:24 pm

brexit wrote:What is England C?

Non league/amateur internationals

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England_n ... all_C_team

otto1959 · Post by **otto1959** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 4:25 pm

5 year deal. That is some outlay.

brexit · Post by **brexit** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 4:25 pm

Thanks Beehole didn't know that

taio · Post by **taio** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 4:26 pm

CrosspoolClarets wrote:Well he's gone with the usual platitudes leaving it impossible for any of us to know what has really gone on. Did we want to keep him? Did we make a serious contract offer? Did he want to stay? Who knows.

Did we want to keep him?

Yes - we offered a much better deal

Did we make a serious contract offer?

Yes - as above

Did he want to stay?

No.

BertiesBeehole · Post by **BertiesBeehole** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 4:29 pm

Read this morning that we'd offered the best contract in our history to try and get him to sign on again

Marlonspants · Post by **Marlonspants** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 4:31 pm

Dyched wrote:How do you, or anybody else know we don't have a replacement in mind? How?

How do you, or anyone else, know we have?

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 4:31 pm

Can I say it now.

Good riddance to bad blood. We stood by him during Twattergate and all he seems worried about is the cash. Glad he's gone, would have been a bad egg seeing out his contract.

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 4:32 pm

"Bring in some promising young strikers and nobody will be moaning"

I can still recall some posters wetting themselves on this board over the last minute signing of Bamford saying what a wonderful piece of business it was even though his previous stint in the Premiership pointed to the contrary.

When people talk about young strikers they probably mean like Ginnelly so that we can send them out on loan to a Div 2 club when we really need an experienced striker at PL level for this campaign not 3 years hence.

The fact that we offered Gray such a lucrative deal to stay says that he won't be easily replaced (if at all in this window) which casts doubt on the assumption that the club has a ready made replacement lined up.

mohamed69 · Post by **mohamed69** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 4:32 pm

brexit wrote:What is England C?

Ireland

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 4:33 pm

time to dig into his twitter account ! Only joking !!!!
Shows you how good Andre really is, he's gone to Watford

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 4:35 pm

Marlonspants wrote:How do you, or anyone else, know we have?

I don't know. But I do know I have faith in the club and manager which comes from what we've achieved during his time here.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 4:36 pm

just to put this into perspective, if the fee is actually 18.5 million then he cost more than Chicharito which is ******* hilarious

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 4:40 pm

Dyched wrote:Yes but the term "player power" is strong. He's come here done his job and wants to do the same job for more money. Who can blame him(others) for that.

I just don't like the term "player power"

Nobody can blame him, I'm certainly not. Just pointing out that in pretty much every transfer these days it's all up to the players. Clubs, especially ones like ours, have little they can do about it if a player wants to leave, as Gray has all summer.

The only chance we had was to pay him a lot more than he's worth, likely more than Watford are paying him.

RookeryEnd84 · Post by **RookeryEnd84** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 4:40 pm

Hi all, Watford fan coming in peace...

From what I've read so far, the general consensus seems to be you aren't too disappointed to see him go? From a WFC point of view, £11.5m for a player that has seemingly proved himself able to score in the PL is a great deal, and if it rises to £18.5m then he will have done enough to justify those clauses being activated. In a summer of crazy prices, it seems par for the course...

Does seem confusing that you've allowed him to come to us when we will be a team you are likely to be competing with but seems the offer couldn't be turned down...

Lastly, just to say don't lose heart - a week ago we were despairing as some of you are about our lack of signings - we only had Will Hughes and Chalobah and our defence and attack looked woefully short. In 2 days we have added a Brazilian wonderkid and Andre Gray and suddenly it all seems better. Hopefully Dyche does the business for you in the market between now and September to give you a chance. But it seems you will have to pay over the odds to get a striker just as you may think we have done...

Good luck for the season ahead!

PIE · Post by **PIE** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 4:40 pm

Gray was garbage as far as I'm concerned. Nearly as frustrating as Akinbiyi to watch. That said, we'll struggle to get a half decent replacement in now.

Belial · Post by **Belial** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 4:40 pm

Not bothered in the slightest about this. He didn't pull up any trees last season, never really took to Burnley like some of our ex-players did, has been whining about wanting more money, and the whole celebrity ego shiyte may have gone to his head a bit. Good deal too when looked at sensibly. The only slight concern is getting someone in sharpish but I have faith that it'll happen sooner rather than later. The real test to see where we are as a club is if we can attract someone who is an improvement over Gray, with potential

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 4:41 pm

kentonclaret wrote:The fact that we offered Gray such a lucrative deal to stay says that he won't be easily replaced (if at all in this window) which casts doubt on the assumption that the club has a ready made replacement lined up.

Can you provide a link to the article that says that, thanks?

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 4:44 pm

RookeryEnd84 wrote:Hi all, Watford fan coming in peace...

From what I've read so far, the general consensus seems to be you aren't too disappointed to see him go? From a WFC point of view, £11.5m for a player that has seemingly proved himself able to score in the PL is a great deal, and if it rises to £18.5m then he will have done enough to justify those clauses being activated. In a summer of crazy prices, it seems par for the course...

Does seem confusing that you've allowed him to come to us when we will be a team you are likely to be competing with but seems the offer couldn't be turned down...

Lastly, just to say don't lose heart - a week ago we were despairing as some of you are about our lack of signings - we only had Will Hughes and Chalobah and our defence and attack looked woefully short. In 2 days we have added a Brazilian wonderkid and Andre Gray and suddenly it all seems better. Hopefully Dyche does the business for you in the market between now and September to give you a chance. But it seems you will have to pay over the odds to get a striker just as you may think we have done...

Good luck for the season ahead!

Knowing how Burnley do business I cannot for the life of me agree with you getting him for 11.5 million. No chance. Maybe 14 or 15 with a few add ons but there is no way we would agree to 7 million in add ons

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 4:44 pm

Spijed wrote:Can you provide a link to the article that says that, thanks?

Its common knowledge but the one on the official website says so.

taio · Post by **taio** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 4:46 pm

Spijed wrote:Can you provide a link to the article that says that, thanks?

'The Clarets gave Gray the chance to extend his stay at Turf Moor with the offer of a substantially improved new contract earlier this summer'

From Burnley FC

Marlonspants · Post by **Marlonspants** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 4:47 pm

Just to be clear. I'm not bothered that Gray has gone. He was lazy and couldn't control a ball.

I, like others would have wanted his replacement in first. Unless Walters is his replacement?

SussexDon1inIreland · Post by **SussexDon1inIreland** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 4:47 pm

Would be great to get Charlie Austin to come back

UTC

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 4:47 pm

He wanted 75k per week fuelled by his agent and probably girlfriend. We didn't offer that thankfully. He's now got it for 5 years. We were right to get rid but we do need a replacement and with pace. It's not exactly a glowing departure report on the official site.

JegunClaret · Post by **JegunClaret** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 4:47 pm

With all the trouble he has gone to, to get down South it would be a real shame if his girlfriend now dumped him.