Bid rejected for chris wood

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Sat Aug 12, 2017 1:16 pm

No we didn't - we may make over £40m (United take a cut on Keane) and we only get the rest based on conditions being met.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Sat Aug 12, 2017 1:19 pm

KefkaClaret wrote:Derby would have happily taken less for Hendrick if we didn't bid for him 7 times increasing the bid ever so slightly before panicking on deadline day and offering £10m. You can go back and read Derby's opinions on it and even they believed he was only worth around £6m.

Link? I don't know who the Derby Chairman is or who the manager was at that time, but I certainly don't remember either of them commenting on the value of the transfer.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sat Aug 12, 2017 1:19 pm

claretandy wrote:no they didn't, watford announced it as a club record fee, previous record was more than £13.5m.

The fee wasn't £18.5M, we will only receive that if Gray plays for England.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sat Aug 12, 2017 1:20 pm

DCWat wrote:and we only get the rest based on conditions being met.

Apparently that's clear video evidence that Andre can trap a bag of cement on ten separate occasions.

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Sat Aug 12, 2017 1:21 pm

KefkaClaret wrote:Derby would have happily taken less for Hendrick if we didn't bid for him 7 times increasing the bid ever so slightly before panicking on deadline day and offering £10m. You can go back and read Derby's opinions on it and even they believed he was only worth around £6m.

What a load of nonsense

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Sat Aug 12, 2017 1:21 pm

KefkaClaret wrote:There's a difference between negotiation and being downright insulting. Imagine if Everton bid £12m for Keane in the summer. You would be angry.

Why on earth would you be angry? Whether you mean the supporters or the management, there's nothing to be angry about. If I offered to buy your house for £10,000, would you be angry? There's no reason to be.

An insult is like a drink - it only hurts you if you take it. If someone says to you "I would like to buy one of your possessions for £x" and you think it's worth far more, you really shouldn't waste your energy getting angry or feeling hurt.

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Sat Aug 12, 2017 1:28 pm

KRBFC wrote:The fee wasn't £18.5M, we will only receive that if Gray plays for England.

I didn't say it was, watford have announced it as a club record fee, previous record was more than £13.5M.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sat Aug 12, 2017 1:35 pm

have we signed a striker yet ?

mkmel · Post by **mkmel** » Sat Aug 12, 2017 1:47 pm

Two more strikers would be ideal

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sat Aug 12, 2017 1:52 pm

KRBFC wrote:

You can have my full and undivided attention starting from Monday.

Long Time Lurker · Post by **Long Time Lurker** » Sat Aug 12, 2017 2:00 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:have we signed a striker yet ?

Yup, from what I've heard Madge is going to be the striking new addition to the team and a worthy recipient of the No7 shirt. A strong link has already been established between her and the club so it was only natural to give her a more up front role. The backroom staff are confident she can score as many times as she wants this season.

She has a strong independent character, superb physical attributes, excellent movement off the ball, an abundance of creativity, the ability to confound opposing defenders and stop them in their tracks, works well in a group and she is capable of playing up front when called upon.

The downside is that she could prove to be a big distraction for the lads in the dressing room.

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turfytopper · Post by **turfytopper** » Sat Aug 12, 2017 2:29 pm

I watched the young Wood make his football league debut when on loan from West Brom to Brighton. I'm sure as a more experienced player is value has risen but I'd be pretty underwhelmed if we brought him in for anything like the money that is being reported. He is more Sam Vokes than Jermaine Defoe....and I think he's probably a poor mans Sam.

Blyclaret · Post by **Blyclaret** » Sat Aug 12, 2017 2:46 pm

Facts prove your wrong.
Woods 30 championship goals
Vokes what his his tally 15 ?

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sat Aug 12, 2017 2:58 pm

Blyclaret wrote:Facts prove your wrong.
Woods 30 championship goals
Vokes what his his tally 15 ?

You asked if I was on drugs yet you still haven't grasped he's called Wood and not Woods.

Blyclaret · Post by **Blyclaret** » Sat Aug 12, 2017 3:00 pm

U really are an annoying wasp

Blyclaret · Post by **Blyclaret** » Sat Aug 12, 2017 3:00 pm

It's an awful pity that the mods don't get rid of u and that other clown abluclaret.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sat Aug 12, 2017 3:06 pm

turfytopper wrote:I watched the young Wood make his football league debut when on loan from West Brom to Brighton. I'm sure as a more experienced player is value has risen but I'd be pretty underwhelmed if we brought him in for anything like the money that is being reported. He is more Sam Vokes than Jermaine Defoe....and I think he's probably a poor mans Sam.

Without being funny, this shouts out to me that you've not seen anything/much of him for around 6 years. I, unfortunately, sit through a lot of Leeds games on a Saturday afternoon as they seem to always be on the bloody tele when we go to the sports bar in Leeds. He's a very good goalscorer and think he could do a job in the Premier League, with the right club. Definitely not a Defoe, like you say, but then again, neither is Harry Kane. However, other clubs are sniffing around him, so I don't see us landing him anyway. He's meant to be good friends with Taylor though, so that may help us.

turfytopper · Post by **turfytopper** » Sat Aug 12, 2017 5:47 pm

FactualFrank wrote:Without being funny, this shouts out to me that you've not seen anything/much of him for around 6 years.

Spot on. I only saw him in Brighton's promotion season as i was a staff member. He may well have matured into a very good player...... Back then he was direct and physical...but not much else.

beddie · Post by **beddie** » Sun Aug 13, 2017 7:55 am

And just to add to that turfy, we all know he can hit a ball

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Sun Aug 13, 2017 8:34 am

Blyclaret wrote:Facts prove your wrong.
Woods 30 championship goals
Vokes what his his tally 15 ?

So in a post where you say "facts prove you wrong"you haven't actually bothered to check the facts about how many goals Sam scored in championship ?

IndigoLake · Post by **IndigoLake** » Sun Aug 13, 2017 8:39 am

Blyclaret wrote:Facts prove your wrong.
Woods 30 championship goals
Vokes what his his tally 15 ?

It's actually a bit closer than that.

Wood scored 27 goals in 44 appearances.
Vokes got 20 goals in 39 appearances.

(According to Wikipedia anyway!)

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Sun Aug 13, 2017 8:43 am

Blyclaret wrote:Facts prove your wrong.
Woods 30 championship goals
Vokes what his his tally 15 ?

I honestly don't know if Wood is a better player than Vokes as I haven't seen enough of him but using stats won't prove it one way or another.

In Vokes' two most successful seasons in the Championship, he partnered two prolific strikers rather than being the main striker that Wood is.

Vokes has also played, and scored, including a current good run of scoring in the Premier League. Wood hasn't.

Pearcey · Post by **Pearcey** » Sun Aug 13, 2017 9:06 am

Vokes is ace!

warksclaret · Post by **warksclaret** » Sun Aug 13, 2017 9:22 am

Lets get real-not taking anything from our victory but it went our way yesterday. Two sent off, a Chelsea goal dis-allowed . Watford who finished below us had two strong strikers on the bench including Andre, and Deeny is still to come back from injury.

Our options yesterday were Walters and Barnes. If we are to stay up we need goals, Without Keane we need to be scoring two or more goals to win games

SkiptonClaret · Post by **SkiptonClaret** » Sun Aug 13, 2017 9:26 am

warksclaret wrote:Lets get real-not taking anything from our victory but it went our way yesterday. Two sent off, a Chelsea goal dis-allowed . Watford who finished below us had two strong strikers on the bench including Andre, and Deeny is still to come back from injury.

Our options yesterday were Walters and Barnes. If we are to stay up we need goals, Without Keane we need to be scoring two or more goals to win games

I don't think there's anyone that doesn't think we need 3 players in by the end of the window.
Is there ?

taio · Post by **taio** » Sun Aug 13, 2017 9:34 am

SkiptonClaret wrote:I don't think there's anyone that doesn't think we need 3 players in by the end of the window.
Is there ?

In an ideal world, yes. But a couple more would be fine.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Sun Aug 13, 2017 9:49 am

SkiptonClaret wrote:I don't think there's anyone that doesn't think we need 3 players in by the end of the window.
Is there ?

You're right.

From what I've seen and read this last week or so, Sean Dyche thinks so too.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sun Aug 13, 2017 9:57 am

RingoMcCartney wrote:You're right.

From what I've seen and read this last week or so, Sean Dyche thinks so too.

Has Dyche specifically said we need 3 more players?

Archer · Post by **Archer** » Sun Aug 13, 2017 10:00 am

He said:

“There’s a couple of spots to fill. We lost four and Robbo retired and we’ve brought three in, so we’re certainly one down from the group as it was and hopefully, we’ll get two or three in if we can."

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Sun Aug 13, 2017 10:14 am

Archer wrote:He said:

“There’s a couple of spots to fill. We lost four and Robbo retired and we’ve brought three in, so we’re certainly one down from the group as it was and hopefully, we’ll get two or three in if we can."

and that was before gray went, 3 needed, pacy striker or wide man or number 10 ings type, plus centre half.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sun Aug 13, 2017 10:23 am

claretandy wrote:and that was before gray went, 3 needed, pacy striker or wide man or number 10 ings type, plus centre half.

And also before he signed Bardsley and Legzdins.

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Sun Aug 13, 2017 11:52 am

I make it 6 out, Gray, Robbo, Kights, Barton, Keane, Boyd and 5 in Legzdins, Bardsley, Walters, Cork, Taylor.
IMO we still need a centre back and a quick man up front as a minimum and no outgoings

SGr · Post by **SGr** » Sun Aug 13, 2017 12:19 pm

With Vokes I really don't think Chris Wood is the type of striker we should be looking for. We need someone quick to compliment him if needed

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sun Aug 13, 2017 12:24 pm

Why do people suggest that Chris Wood isn't quick? It takes me back to my ealier post. Most people on here you can tell have never seen him play. Wood is quicker than Vokes and is often in the right place at the right time. Bring him in and provide more competition for Vokes in a 4-5-1 and he can also partner Vokes in a 4-4-2.

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Sun Aug 13, 2017 12:32 pm

I think Wood is quicker than any other forward we have , although I stand to be corrected if he isn't.

billyhamilton82 · Post by **billyhamilton82** » Sun Aug 13, 2017 2:03 pm

Must admit to being more than a little bemused following our £12 million plus offer for Chris Wood...

That was until the formation and ultimately the performance yesterday.

4-5-1 will require two big lads vying for the position up top who know where the net is.

Fully understand after watching that brilliant performance yesterday.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sun Aug 13, 2017 2:05 pm

joey13 wrote:I think Wood is quicker than any other forward we have , although I stand to be corrected if he isn't.

It doesn't take much, but I'm pretty sure you're right. But anyway, you don't score 27 goals in a season unless you know where the net is - he scored more than Gray.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sun Aug 13, 2017 2:57 pm

FactualFrank wrote:It doesn't take much, but I'm pretty sure you're right. But anyway, you don't score 27 goals in a season unless you know where the net is - he scored more than Gray.

How many did he score the year before?

Cleveleys_claret · Post by **Cleveleys_claret** » Sun Aug 13, 2017 3:01 pm

mdd2 wrote:I make it 6 out, Gray, Robbo, Kights, Barton, Keane, Boyd and 5 in Legzdins, Bardsley, Walters, Cork, Taylor.
IMO we still need a centre back and a quick man up front as a minimum and no outgoings

Also Darwika has left

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sun Aug 13, 2017 3:05 pm

KRBFC wrote:How many did he score the year before?

Is this a serious question?

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sun Aug 13, 2017 3:45 pm

FactualFrank wrote:Is this a serious question?

Yeah, how many league goals did he score in the 15-16 season?

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sun Aug 13, 2017 3:56 pm

KRBFC wrote:Yeah, how many league goals did he score in the 15-16 season?

He did 12 in 35, I think. So call it 1 in 3.

But anybody interested in football will know that at 25, he's a much improved Championship striker.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sun Aug 13, 2017 3:58 pm

FactualFrank wrote:He did 12 in 35, I think. So call it 1 in 3.

But anybody interested in football will know that at 25, he's a much improved Championship striker.

Or did he have a much improved season in a side built around him? The Leeds fans hated him, then he knocks in 25 goals..... Which Chris Wood would we get? The one who cant hit a barn door or the one who scored 25 goals in a season?

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sun Aug 13, 2017 4:03 pm

KRBFC wrote:Or did he have a much improved season in a side built around him? The Leeds fans hated him, then he knocks in 25 goals..... Which Chris Wood would we get? The one who cant hit a barn door or the one who scored 25 goals in a season?

The thing is, I live in Leeds and I sit through quite a lot of Leeds games. In my opinion, Taylor is better than Ward - and Ward is a bloody good player!.. and Chris Wood is better than Vokes. It's not what Burnley fans want to hear, unless he signs for us, but 4-5-1.. a man upfront on his own, Wood imo will do better and score more goals. But I also think having them both upfront in a 4-4-2 would work very well. Not sure what else I can say really. I rate him, and would love him to come to Burnley. He's friends with Taylor, that I do know, as I know people who know Taylor. Will that make a difference to our chances of signing him? Who knows.

warksclaret · Post by **warksclaret** » Sun Aug 13, 2017 6:11 pm

Many games and in fact relegation will be determined this year by the ability of teams to change games by having key people on the bench. I am amazed how many comebacks happen in the last 10-15 minutes of games. We were sadly lacking in this area last year. Burnley fans get too protective about the starting 11. There is no way Vokes will play or start all 38 games. Walters is going to be a great utility squad player, Barnes is great for bringing on when legs are tired and as yesterday in the final 15 minutes when your team is under the cosh. There is no other PL team so devoid of strikers apart from Brighton. Woods would be a good signing. A player like Clukas who can chip in with goals (who would probably replace Arfield/JBG), and a commanding centre half would give us a squad more than capable of a top 15 finish

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sun Aug 13, 2017 6:15 pm

warksclaret wrote:Woods would be a good signing. A player like Clukas who can chip in with goals (who would probably replace Arfield/JBG), and a commanding centre half would give us a squad more than capable of a top 15 finish

I'd go along with this. We're not missing that much, really. Like you say, a strong central defender + Clukas + Wood, would be enough.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sun Aug 13, 2017 6:18 pm

warksclaret wrote:Many games and in fact relegation will be determined this year by the ability of teams to change games by having key people on the bench. I am amazed how many comebacks happen in the last 10-15 minutes of games. We were sadly lacking in this area last year. Burnley fans get too protective about the starting 11. There is no way Vokes will play or start all 38 games. Walters is going to be a great utility squad player, Barnes is great for bringing on when legs are tired and as yesterday in the final 15 minutes when your team is under the cosh. There is no other PL team so devoid of strikers apart from Brighton. Woods would be a good signing. A player like Clukas who can chip in with goals (who would probably replace Arfield/JBG), and a commanding centre half would give us a squad more than capable of a top 15 finish

Who is Woods?

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Sun Aug 13, 2017 6:18 pm

FactualFrank wrote:The thing is, I live in Leeds

Aha, that explains a lot.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sun Aug 13, 2017 6:22 pm

Diesel wrote:Aha, that explains a lot.

Not really, but a nice attempt.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Sun Aug 13, 2017 6:46 pm

taio wrote:Has Dyche specifically said we need 3 more players?

No not specifically but he was interviewed on radio lancs I think and he said he was looking to strengthen