Homophobic chanting at Stamford Bridge

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 2:23 pm

I've not seen it mentioned on here (although it was pretty obvious on the match) but it has been mentioned in a few other places.

I doubt anyone on here will admit to it but I do wonder what the justification for repeatedly singing "Chelsea rentboys" was in those people's minds? Was it just a bit of "bantz" with no appreciation of how offensive it was or was it reflective of people's views that the best way to insult people is to call them gay?

You'd have thought that the halfwits may have learnt given all the furore over Andre Gray last season but obviously not. At some point this kind of thing will come back to bite a club (either Burnley or another club) on the arse.

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 2:25 pm

Could "bite them on the arse" be construed as homophobic? Just wondering like.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 2:26 pm

It's the same halfwits who chanted: "He tweets what he likes, Andre Gray, he tweets what he likes."

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 2:27 pm

War chants at modern day Germans and homophobic chants at upper class Londoners. A large element of you're support need to realise its not 1972 any more.

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 2:30 pm

It certainly feels a lot like 1972 with Clarets two divisions higher than Rovers.

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 2:32 pm

Dark Cloud wrote:It certainly feels a lot like 1972 with Clarets two divisions higher than Rovers.

Well done, you act like it too. Pride of Lancashire? I don't think so.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 2:32 pm

I was offended at that.

And singing dirty southern bastards.

And lots of other songs.

In fact it ruined my day!

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 2:33 pm

Saxoman wrote:War chants at modern day Germans and homophobic chants at upper class Londoners. A large element of you're support need to realise its not 1972 any more.

A large element of your support need to realise it's not 1995 anymore.

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 2:34 pm

Saxoman wrote:Well done, you act like it too. Pride of Lancashire? I don't think so.

I do.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 2:35 pm

A large element of their support does realise its 1995 anymore, which is why they are back supporting "big" clubs again.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 2:35 pm

Oh Burnerlee got to 2 women, so much so they left a HT.

The group of people near them never stopped effing or jeffing. As well as constantly standing.

Funkydrummer · Post by **Funkydrummer** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 2:36 pm

I took it that they meant mercenaries, but didn't have the intelligence know the correct word.

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 2:36 pm

MACCA wrote:Oh Burnerlee got to 2 women, so much so they left a HT.

game was over by then, to be fair.

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 2:39 pm

The responses on this thread answer the OP perfectly, no remorse whatsoever. Shameful.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 2:40 pm

Yeah I bet everyone who was there singing that really really hates gay people.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 2:41 pm

quoonbeatz wrote:game was over by then, to be fair.

That is not the point.

I certainly wouldn't be using those sorts of words in front of my gran, mum or aunt.

There's encouraging the team, then there's sheer ignorance!

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 2:41 pm

I wouldn't sing it Saxo, just like I wouldn't sing the Jack Walker song now, but I did when I was that age.

If this makes any sense. People grow up, and some people grow up and don't change.

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 2:43 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:I wouldn't sing it Saxo, just like I wouldn't sing the Jack Walker song now, but I did when I was that age.

If this makes any sense. People grow up, and some people grow up and don't change.

I know its not everyone, but it looks like it is the majority on this thread. There is definitely an undercurrent feeling of the far right to an element of your support. I've heard it suggested in the past and can see why.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 2:45 pm

Don't be silly

50 shades of Grey · Post by **50 shades of Grey** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 2:49 pm

'The responses on this thread answer the OP perfectly, no remorse whatsoever. Shameful.'

You know what saxo, you're absolutely right, I mean, roverrrs dwindling fan base have never sung anything pathetic or cringeworthy have they ?

'ya mams ya dad, you're interbred, you Burnley sc-um', how about this insightful little number for starters (best song tunelessly by a boss-eyed chin dribbler from mill hill).

Ealing_Claret · Post by **Ealing_Claret** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 2:49 pm

I normally ignore Saxo, because I'm not interested in some of the puerile exchanges he initiates on here.

It's absolutely correct to condemn prejudice such as homophobia, it's disgraceful and within football it inhibits gay players from coming out. This in turn, helps marginalise gay people generally - imagine the impact of a top player coming out and the positive message of acceptance it would send out gay people. Sadly we're not there yet.

However, prejudice comes in many forms. Now I'm not suggesting that the prejudices expressed against us as Burnley fans is even remotely as offensive or hurtful as homophobia, but it is still often offensive. "A large element of you're support need to realise its not 1972 any more." A large element? You know this how? A vocal minority, certainly - but don't label us all with your prejudice.

I'm sure we all know it's not 1972. More to the point, when will you lot realise it's not 1995? That's a rhetorical question by the way - no need to answer. Though if you're wondering, the answer is August 23rd.

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 2:53 pm

It only becomes a large element as I believe this hateful bile from a small probably mature minority influences other younger easily led fans to join in.

50 shades of Grey · Post by **50 shades of Grey** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 3:02 pm

'It only becomes a large element as I believe this hateful bile from a small probably mature minority influences other younger easily led fans to join in.'

Thank you for your thoughtful and considered views on the very important topic of chanting by football fans.

Now fc uk off.

dpinsussex · Post by **dpinsussex** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 3:05 pm

Saxoman wrote:There is definitely an undercurrent feeling of the far right to an element of your support

Do you not read the politics thread. Far left more like

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 3:05 pm

I'll look forward to your first behind closed door games.

50 shades of Grey · Post by **50 shades of Grey** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 3:07 pm

'I'll look forward to your first behind closed door games.'

Having seen the 'highlights' (oh the irony) of your game against the mighty donny rovers on Saturday, it looked like you've already had your first closed door game.

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 3:08 pm

dpinsussex wrote:Do you not read the politics thread. Far left more like

Until you set foot in a football ground in tribal colours.

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 3:08 pm

In fact thank you for your considered views on the very important topic of chanting by OUR football fans at a match in London which strikes me has very little (if anything) to do with you.

clansman · Post by **clansman** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 3:09 pm

Shock news football fans swear and taunt each other. Whatever next politicians who lie ?celebrities in it just for fame and fortune, countries going to war?
By the way Chelsea fans use the term northern monkeys. I've written to the race relations board!

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 3:10 pm

I'm sure it was over analysed by most of the fans who went and it ruined everyone's day so that they can't even remember the result or the performance. Idiots shout idiotic things at football and they probably always will do. I doubt it will ever be a sterile environment with non offensive comments. Fans shout derogatory things about women. It's not right be it hasn't lead to female supporters leaving in droves.

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 3:10 pm

It has to do with everyone.

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 3:13 pm

I've just walked out of a temp job today because my mature co workers were racist arseholes, humiliating Asian customers behind their backs. Can't be doing with that crap in 2017.

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 3:19 pm

You must walk out of a lot of jobs as all companies have workers who make offensive comments.

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 3:19 pm

Saxoman wrote:I've just walked out of a temp job today because my mature co workers were racist arseholes, humiliating Asian customers behind their backs. Can't be doing with that crap in 2017.

Which accounts for why you've got so much time on your hands to analyse the behaviour of other teams football fans. I, on the other hand, are far too busy to worry about anybody else's fans or indeed forum and just bother about my own.

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 3:27 pm

Blackrod wrote:You must walk out of a lot of jobs as all companies have workers who make offensive comments.

To be fair and honest, job was only 2 days anyway. Starting a proper job soon..

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 3:28 pm

More virtue signalling nonsense.

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 3:33 pm

Anyway, I've unintentionally ruined this thread now by being drawn in by people(again), so this is my last post on it.

Right_winger · Post by **Right_winger** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 3:39 pm

It's getting a bit chilly. There's a few snowflakes fluttering around.

Clarinetclaret · Post by **Clarinetclaret** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 3:40 pm

Saxoman wrote:I'll look forward to your first behind closed door games.

Oh shut up you oddball. There's a thread about you on the Blackburn Rovers forum. The mod said that he banned you and your multiple accounts because basically you're a prick. Why we have to put up with you here I I don't know. Burnley fans far right my bottom.

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 3:52 pm

MACCA wrote:That is not the point.

I certainly wouldn't be using those sorts of words in front of my gran, mum or aunt.

There's encouraging the team, then there's sheer ignorance!

it was a joke, you silly sausage.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 4:04 pm

Depending on the boy, surely a rent boy could be rented by either a man or a woman. It is therefore not a slur against homosexual people but a slur against boys selling themselves for sex.

Burnley Ace · Post by **Burnley Ace** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 4:07 pm

I always assumed that the Chelsea rent boys was (given how long it's been around) more of a nod towards the rather effete manner in which the Chelsea fans acted on the Kings Road back in the 60s and 70s. Perhaps it's more of a transgender issue rather than homophobic per se?

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 4:08 pm

One game in and one whining about fans thread in, super.

Sit down, don't do that, don't sing that.... whaa whaa whaa.

gandhisflipflop · Post by **gandhisflipflop** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 4:14 pm

Anyone will find offence at anything these days. Live and let live.

KeighleyClaret · Post by **KeighleyClaret** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 4:15 pm

Saxoman wrote:I know its not everyone, but it looks like it is the majority on this thread. There is definitely an undercurrent feeling of the far right to an element of your support. I've heard it suggested in the past and can see why.

Don't be a loon Saxo.

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 4:18 pm

Blackrod wrote:You must walk out of a lot of jobs as all companies have workers who make offensive comments.

Hi Blackrod, most companies these days have rules about "offensive comments." It's a pity the rules are necessary. We can always try and set the better example and avoid stuff that is offensive, can't we?

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 4:25 pm

I'm sure some saw Gareth Thomas's programme a week ago: Hate in the Beautiful Game. 2500 views - 60 odd posts.

Isn't it about time that homophobic chants at football are viewed in the same way as racist chants are?

Burnley FC are now Premier League. Let's live for now and the future.

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ralph · Post by **ralph** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 4:38 pm

Saxoman wrote:It only becomes a large element as I believe this hateful bile from a small probably mature minority influences other younger easily led fans to join in.

Is that what happened at Ewood when you had a widely acknowledged problem with extreme right wing political elements ? ..you wouldn't know of course because that was pre-Walker

1963Claret · Post by **1963Claret** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 4:48 pm

The Blackburn idiot is one of the professionally offended snowflakes. I've been watching since the 1960s and these types of chants have always been around. He won't remember Rovers fans singing 'Up On The Roof about Ben Lee because in 1992 he was pretending to support Liverpool, just as he pretends to support Blackburn now. I'm not surprised he's been banned from their message boards as he's a prick of the highest order.

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 4:54 pm

[quote="aggi"]
I doubt anyone on here will admit to it but I do wonder what the justification for repeatedly singing "Chelsea rentboys" was in those people's minds? Was it just a bit of "bantz" with no appreciation of how offensive it was or was it reflective of people's views that the best way to insult people is to call them gay?

It may be being pedantic and I'm not putting forward a defence on their defence, but linguistically calling someone rent boy is suggesting they are male prostitutes not that they are gay. Women use prostitutes too.