2017/18: Blackburn Rovers v Burnley – Ticket Information

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 9:47 pm

When has the club publically opposed it?

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 9:57 pm

aggi wrote:Have we, I don't remember ever seeing a statement from the club opposing it. Can you point me in the right direction, cheers?

Probably not now but certainly in 2015. The club are actually on our side but have their hands tied. I don't believe the Blackburn people have been anything like as supportive.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 10:01 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Probably not now but certainly in 2015. The club are actually on our side but have their hands tied. I don't believe the Blackburn people have been anything like as supportive.

One impression you get out of all this is that the police have never gone out of their way to try and keep the inconvenience for supporters to the minimum.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 10:03 pm

The club definitely havent publically behind changing it. Privately maybe. Absolutely not publically.

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 10:10 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Probably not now but certainly in 2015. The club are actually on our side but have their hands tied. I don't believe the Blackburn people have been anything like as supportive.

I don't remember anything in 2015 and google isn't throwing anything up. They may have opposed it in private meetings but I would be very surprised to find out that they released a public statement opposing it that everybody missed.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 10:18 pm

aggi wrote:I don't remember anything in 2015 and google isn't throwing anything up. They may have opposed it in private meetings but I would be very surprised to find out that they released a public statement opposing it that everybody missed.

Comments in the press for sure. But the police we dealt with in 2015 were very positive in moving things on too. I think it is different coppers now though.

But I really don't believe we've much chance of changing this until we are trouble free. Weve been trying to improve it and it was certainly much better last time with the various pick ups and options.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 10:19 pm

Spijed wrote:One impression you get out of all this is that the police have never gone out of their way to try and keep the inconvenience for supporters to the minimum.

Not so. Was so much improved last time and the police worked hard with the supporters reps to try and improve it.

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 10:22 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Not so. Was so much improved last time and the police worked hard with the supporters reps to try and improve it.

Correct and exactly why it would be very disappointing if the same arrangements aren't being put in place this time.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 10:24 pm

Leisure wrote:Correct and exactly why it would be very disappointing if the same arrangements aren't being put in place this time.

Don't know anything yet Leisure but if we've gone backwards I'll think all the time I put in last time has been wasted.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 10:24 pm

Like someone taking your house off you and then thanking them for giving you a tent.

BleedingClaret · Post by **BleedingClaret** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 10:26 pm

I like being bused in.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 10:28 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote:Like someone taking your house off you and then thanking them for giving you a tent.

Not at all. Was very encouraging in 2015 and the whole operation was hugely improved. We've long since realised that there is no quick fix and so getting improvements has been an objective. I thought that the police we dealt with last time were far better and more understanding and took on board some of our ideas.

Dublin7Claret · Post by **Dublin7Claret** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 10:33 pm

Have Sky announced their games yet for the 2nd round?

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 10:35 pm

ClaretTony wrote:It's not the clubs and I can assure you our club are not in favour of it. But the police will tell you a very different story of 2005 re there being no trouble.

I hate it too. We had taken some strides forward two seasons ago but there has been no fan consultation this time sadly although I appreciate the short notice. Will now await details of the transport but hope all the improvements from last time have not been withdrawn.

What trouble have the police claimed happened in the 2005 fa cup replay? I went back on the train and there certainly wasn't any trouble. Escorting 5 or 600 fans all the way to Blackburn station might be a pain in the arse but you can't claim it as fan disorder.
There has been far more trouble with toilets getting wrecked and windows getting kicked through in the bubble games.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 10:35 pm

Hopefully this is the last time we have to worry about it anyway!

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 10:36 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:What trouble have the police claimed happened in the 2005 fa cup replay? I went back on the train and there certainly wasn't any trouble. Escorting 5 or 600 fans all the way to Blackburn station might be a pain in the arse but you can't claim it as fan disorder.
There has been far more trouble with toilets getting wrecked and windows getting kicked through in the bubble games.

There were a lot of arrests probably 30 plus. But no disorder as such.

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 10:37 pm

Dublin.Yes and the bottom of Div 3 v Burnley Res is not one of them

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 10:42 pm

Just boycott the game

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 10:44 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:There were a lot of arrests probably 30 plus. But no disorder as such.

I'm shocked if thats true. I didn't think there had been that many in any of the games.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 10:54 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:I'm shocked if thats true. I didn't think there had been that many in any of the games.

40 apparently

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burnmark · Post by **burnmark** » Tue Aug 15, 2017 12:27 am

I do recall a footnote on an article regarding ticket news for the last Ewood fixture stating the club was continuing to work hard to lessen the need for the arrangements for future fixtures. I think David Baldwin also mentioned in a fan's forum that Burnley wanted to move away from the coaches but Blackburn still supported the method. I may have dreamt both of these but they do ring true.

The coach departure time will be key. Workers can't be expected to make it for anything earlier than 5.30pm so hopefully common sense will prevail.

claptrappers_union · Post by **claptrappers_union** » Tue Aug 15, 2017 12:30 am

Haven't been to Ewood since 2005, hated being treated like a criminal or cattle. I've missed the best results there because of the bus operations.

Can't be arsed with the hassle

Claretforever · Post by **Claretforever** » Tue Aug 15, 2017 6:56 am

wilks_bfc wrote:It wasn't compulsory in 2005

I have a feeling that it was compulsory to buy a coach ticket in 2005, but not compulsory to use them?

I went over on the train, but had a ticket for the coach back.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Tue Aug 15, 2017 7:37 am

It is not only abut Burnley FC getting a back bone, but fans as well.
If we all refuse to get on the buses, or just run a ordinary supporter coach, then there is actually nothing the police can do about it.

Would they turn away 20+ supporters at the gates? No
Can they arrest 20+ supporters for traveling to Ewood park to watch football? No

Sadly the club don't like backing the fans, the police must have a very strong hold over the club some how.

But obviously in some peoples eyes the club can do no wrong, and everything they do is for the fans.

I,m just glad I am on holiday

box_of_frogs · Post by **box_of_frogs** » Tue Aug 15, 2017 7:37 am

Are the ticket sales split between both clubs? If so, boycott it and let roverrrrrrrrrs fund a premier league team again.

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Tue Aug 15, 2017 9:54 am

ClaretTony wrote:Comments in the press for sure. But the police we dealt with in 2015 were very positive in moving things on too. I think it is different coppers now though.

I'm not convinced to be honest. It's possible they made an off-the-cuff comment at the time that most people (including myself) missed and now doesn't seem to appear online but the only comment I can find from the club is:

Burnley Football Club said that after listening to feedback from fans on previous occasions, the club had done its utmost to ensure the arrangements and journey times to Ewood Park were as efficient for fans as possible, with park and ride locations timed as close to kick-off as possible.

which doesn't sound much like condemning the arrangements.

burnmark · Post by **burnmark** » Tue Aug 15, 2017 10:05 am

Still no announcement of ticket sales or coach arrangements.

tybfc · Post by **tybfc** » Tue Aug 15, 2017 10:11 am

aggi wrote:I'm not convinced to be honest. It's possible they made an off-the-cuff comment at the time that most people (including myself) missed and now doesn't seem to appear online but the only comment I can find from the club is:

Burnley Football Club said that after listening to feedback from fans on previous occasions, the club had done its utmost to ensure the arrangements and journey times to Ewood Park were as efficient for fans as possible, with park and ride locations timed as close to kick-off as possible.

which doesn't sound much like condemning the arrangements.

It would be lovely for somebody from the Club to read this thread this morning and issue a statement similar to the above saying:

"Burnley Football Club after listening to fans on this and previous occasions understands that they no longer wish to be treated like second class citizens and told that they must be forced onto buses against their will to watch a football game.

The Club is not going to agree to the police advice and will sell tickets to it's fans without a bus ticket and allow them to attend the game by their own transport methods as do every other football club in the United Kingdom."

Or a similar statement.

Let a few of us fans meet the police officer in charge of this operation instead of the people at the club who don't seem able to fight their way out of a paper bag.

claret10 · Post by **claret10** » Tue Aug 15, 2017 10:15 am

I quite like the busses for the fixture (although I live about 200 yds from the turf so it doesnt really inconvenience me) Always makes me laugh when we turn right at those traffic lights and head past that pub with 100's of ba5tards stood outside. Even the most placid of fans end up banging on the windows to "say hello"

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Tue Aug 15, 2017 10:16 am

burnmark wrote:Still no announcement of ticket sales or coach arrangements.

And that's certainly disappointing. Now just 8 days away and people need to make arrangements.

bumba · Post by **bumba** » Tue Aug 15, 2017 10:18 am

The club are ensuring the safety of all fans, anyone who thinks they wouldnt be serious trouble at this fixture if we was allowed to make our own way is deluded.
We've made special arrangements for a family member to make his own way there before an there wasn't an issue so maybe people with exceptional circumstances could speak to the club.
Personally enjoy the atmosphere on the buses an dont feel like I'm being treated as a criminal but more that the police are keeping me and my family safe from morons.
Would never stop me going to this fixture people need to get over it an see the good what the club and police are doing.

Braindead · Post by **Braindead** » Tue Aug 15, 2017 10:22 am

This is a joke. I work in Accy and ordinarily don't finish until 5.30pm, so I face the prospect of getting back into Burnley to get showered changed and then down to the Turf for these stupid buses.

I am waiting for the club and the police to get their fingers out of their collective arses and announce the details so that I can arrange something for the game.

It is a week tomorrow ffs.

IAmAClaret · Post by **IAmAClaret** » Tue Aug 15, 2017 10:42 am

It'll be the 'coach arrangements' holding it all up no doubt.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Tue Aug 15, 2017 10:43 am

ClaretTony wrote:Not at all. Was very encouraging in 2015 and the whole operation was hugely improved. We've long since realised that there is no quick fix and so getting improvements has been an objective. I thought that the police we dealt with last time were far better and more understanding and took on board some of our ideas.

No quick fix?

There is, just allow supporters to make their own way there.

In London, supporters make their own way to matches, whether it be Arsenal v Spurs, Chelsea v West Ham etc. There is just as much animosity between those sets of fans yet the Met police have a far more mature attitude towards the way they deal with football matches.

If Burnley played Blackburn at Wembley it wold be handled far more professionally by the London police, simply because they know what they are doing in high profile games.

Even up north, Liverpool & Man. U are treated with a bit more respect and I'd imagine there is likely to be far more trouble than there would be compared to our games between us and Rovers.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Tue Aug 15, 2017 10:53 am

Spijed wrote:In London, supporters make their own way to matches, whether it be Arsenal v Spurs, Chelsea v West Ham etc. There is just as much animosity between those sets of fans yet the Met police have a far more mature attitude towards the way they deal with football matches.

If you believe that, you'll believe anything.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Tue Aug 15, 2017 10:56 am

Basically anyonr involved in these discussions, from the club down has no backbone or resl desire to change things. Thats fact. If you want something badly enough no matter how much the police poke their nose in and the club play along you can change it.

Silkyskills1 · Post by **Silkyskills1** » Tue Aug 15, 2017 10:57 am

ClaretTony wrote:And that's certainly disappointing. Now just 8 days away and people need to make arrangements.

Police seem to be doing everything they can to prevent supporters attending would be my interpretation of what is happening/not happening.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Tue Aug 15, 2017 10:59 am

Silkyskills1 wrote:Police seem to be doing everything they can to prevent supporters attending would be my interpretation of what is happening/not happening.

Police don't sell tickets - Blackburn put their tickets on sale yesterday

NottsClaret · Post by **NottsClaret** » Tue Aug 15, 2017 11:01 am

Spijed wrote: If Burnley played Blackburn at Wembley it wold be handled far more professionally by the London police, simply because they know what they are doing in high profile games.

He's got a point there. The Met would handle it like they do loads of other high profile stuff. Obviously their resources are way beyond Lancs police.

We go in buses because it's loads easier and cheaper for the police and the neither club wants the hassle of refusing. If we play them in the league again one day, or in the FA Cup it'll probably bug me again, but for this game they could play it on the moon on a Thursday morning.

Jacko · Post by **Jacko** » Tue Aug 15, 2017 11:11 am

The failure of the club to oppose this publicly is very disappointing; so too Rovers.

Whether or not it's better than it has been is ultimately not the point. The principle here is of freedom of movement and it's one we're being denied. And it stinks.

If there's trouble the police need to come down on offenders like a tonne of bricks, as do the clubs: fine, bans and criminal prosecutions are all options available as we all know. You do not move to limit people's rights before the event; it isn't treating people equally before the law. Why the hell shouldn't I be able to walk down the road to Ewood from the train station? Whether or not the Bobby telling me i have to do this does.so with a smile is irrelevant to the fact.

Burnley and Blackburn fans are being treated differently from thousands of others and it's a disgrace and violation of basic rights. It should make us all angry and must change. Until it does we should make our voices heard loudly and regularly because it's a stain on what is otherwise a wonderful time to support the Clarets.

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Tue Aug 15, 2017 11:12 am

18 quid for a reserve game against a league one minnow is rather silly.

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Tue Aug 15, 2017 11:24 am

MACCA wrote:It is not only abut Burnley FC getting a back bone, but fans as well.

correct, its very much about the fans.

the problem here is that loads of people complain about it all and then get on the buses anyway.

this game is the perfect opportunity to make a stand and not go. nothing would make more of a statement than an empty away end but it will be a decent following and another 'successful operation' for lancs police ergo nothing will change for future games.

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Tue Aug 15, 2017 11:40 am

So you want me to miss out on going to the game to make a point because some don't agree with it.

Right ok

tybfc · Post by **tybfc** » Tue Aug 15, 2017 11:46 am

quoonbeatz wrote:correct, its very much about the fans.

the problem here is that loads of people complain about it all and then get on the buses anyway.

this game is the perfect opportunity to make a stand and not go. nothing would make more of a statement than an empty away end but it will be a decent following and another 'successful operation' for lancs police ergo nothing will change for future games.

tybfc · Post by **tybfc** » Tue Aug 15, 2017 11:46 am

quoonbeatz wrote:correct, its very much about the fans.

the problem here is that loads of people complain about it all and then get on the buses anyway.

this game is the perfect opportunity to make a stand and not go. nothing would make more of a statement than an empty away end but it will be a decent following and another 'successful operation' for lancs police ergo nothing will change for future games.

Spot on quoon but this has to start from the club.

Can you imagine the Met going to Abramovich and telling him that all Chelsea fans are to be sent on a bus to their next away game at West Ham for safety reasons. He would have them laughed out of London. We are being made to look pathetic.

mikeS · Post by **mikeS** » Tue Aug 15, 2017 11:50 am

It's one away fixture I won't attend because of the overhanded nature of the policing. Bus convoys, spiked steel fences, riot police, barking dogs, horses, helicopters, shouldn't be part of football.

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Tue Aug 15, 2017 11:53 am

actually i think it has to start from the fans.

if the met went to abramovich and said that, i doubt he'd personally be that arsed - it wouldn't be until the fans kicked off about it that chelsea would really take notice.

i have no idea what level of standing up to the police our club has done but whatever stand they make, they do it with one hand tied behind their back, knowing that in the end, fans will accept the travel conditions and still go.

AGENT_CLARET · Post by **AGENT_CLARET** » Tue Aug 15, 2017 11:55 am

Just make your own way there, the police will not turn 5000 clarets away letting them walk around blackburn, they can't lock 5000 up they will put you in the ground, WE JUST NEED TO DO IT

tybfc · Post by **tybfc** » Tue Aug 15, 2017 12:00 pm

quoonbeatz wrote:actually i think it has to start from the fans.

if the met went to abramovich and said that, i doubt he'd personally be that arsed - it wouldn't be until the fans kicked off about it that chelsea would really take notice.

i have no idea what level of standing up to the police our club has done but whatever stand they make, they do it with one hand tied behind their back, knowing that in the end, fans will accept the travel conditions and still go.

You are possibly right.

I have no idea what level of standing up to the police our club has done.

We are in the Premier League and still bow down to their every wish.

Chester and Wrexham refused to be 'bubbled'.

That says it all.

We need some sort of fans group to challenge the police on the Club's behalf if they aren't strong enough.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Tue Aug 15, 2017 12:08 pm

tybfc wrote:You are possibly right.

I have no idea what level of standing up to the police our club has done.

We are in the Premier League and still bow down to their every wish.

Chester and Wrexham refused to be 'bubbled'.

That says it all.

We need some sort of fans group to challenge the police on the Club's behalf if they aren't strong enough.

I agree. Bu hopefully we wont play them again after next week!