Bid rejected for chris wood

Zom Zom · Post by **Zom Zom** » Sat Aug 19, 2017 10:20 am

John Johnson 1605 wrote:It is an uninspiring signing and poses further questions of our scouting/recruitment team.

Or it just might be that Sean Dyche actually wants him?
There is so much negativity on here at the moment. It beggars belief really.

Lord Beamish · Post by **Lord Beamish** » Sat Aug 19, 2017 10:24 am

Awww! Poor Leeds Utd fans. It's been almost a decade and a half since they last played in the Top Tier, yet they still haven't acclimatised to not being a Big Club anymore.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Sat Aug 19, 2017 10:25 am

taio wrote:Apologies if this is too direct but that's nothing other complete waffle. If you can't see any similarities with Vokes you haven't often seen Wood play.

You're entitled to your opinion Taio, but I've seen a bit of Wood - not lots, but a bit, and I think he's quite different. I've explained how I think he's different - from what i've seen, I thikn wWood far more direct, far more bullying, plays more on the last man. I think they're both tall and strong, but they use that very differently.

Tellingly, you've not actually explained how you think they're similar - I suppose if you disagree, rather than simply denouncing stuff as waffle, you should explain how they're similar. I'm interested in a different perspective.

ClaretAL · Post by **ClaretAL** » Sat Aug 19, 2017 10:26 am

Especially on first home match of the season day! Come on guys it's so good to be a Claret right now can't wait to get the top on and get out today, and all this talk of 20mil signings gets just beggars belief from our little ol Burnley

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taio · Post by **taio** » Sat Aug 19, 2017 10:30 am

claretspice wrote:You're entitled to your opinion Taio, but I've seen a bit of Wood - not lots, but a bit, and I think he's quite different. I've explained how I think he's different - from what i've seen, I thikn wWood far more direct, far more bullying, plays more on the last man. I think they're both tall and strong, but they use that very differently.

Tellingly, you've not actually explained how you think they're similar - I suppose if you disagree, rather than simply denouncing stuff as waffle, you should explain how they're similar. I'm interested in a different perspective.

For a start you suggested that Wood doesn't like to drop off the centre half and hold up play to link others which is quite simply incorrect.

Zom Zom · Post by **Zom Zom** » Sat Aug 19, 2017 10:33 am

Medical Sunday, deal completed on Monday according to Lancashire Telegraph.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sat Aug 19, 2017 10:34 am

Well, it'll be of no surprise to many that I'd be very pleased with this. As one of the 5% of people posting on here who's actually seen him play. I wouldn't want Vokes going in the other direction though. Their main similarity is that they've both strong and powerful, but Wood is more direct. He'll be the one more often scoring the goal and being in the right place at the right time. Whereas Vokes is the most likely to be the target man to enable a player like Woods to score.

But both will do well in a 4-5-1 so long as the midfield pushes up, like against Chelsea.

AGENT_CLARET · Post by **AGENT_CLARET** » Sat Aug 19, 2017 10:34 am

better than gray for around the same money good deal, we need to sign him on a 5 year deal.

John Johnson 1605 · Post by **John Johnson 1605** » Sat Aug 19, 2017 10:41 am

taio wrote:Apologies if this is too direct but that's nothing other complete waffle. If you can't see any similarities with Vokes you haven't often seen Wood play.

Absolutely spot on.

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Sat Aug 19, 2017 10:41 am

I think it would be a fantastic signing.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Sat Aug 19, 2017 10:42 am

taio wrote:For a start you suggested that Wood doesn't like to drop off the centre half and hold up play to link others which is quite simply incorrect.

No I didnt. I didnt say Wood doesnt hold the ball up. It is a question of style. What i said is he's more physical about it than Vokes, doesn't drop as deep as often, does more tangling with centre backs and looks to run the in behind more. Ironically, youve read something into my observations that isnt there.

John Johnson 1605 · Post by **John Johnson 1605** » Sat Aug 19, 2017 10:43 am

Zom Zom wrote:Or it just might be that Sean Dyche actually wants him?
There is so much negativity on here at the moment. It beggars belief really.

Or sycophancy ?

taio · Post by **taio** » Sat Aug 19, 2017 10:46 am

claretspice wrote:From what I've seen, the only thing they really have in common is that they are tall. Vokes likes to come off the centre halves (instead of getting into a wrestle) and link play and wants others bursting beyond him.

Wood can play off the centre halves too to bring others into play.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Sat Aug 19, 2017 10:46 am

I can remember when we had to sell our best players to Leeds,Ray Hankin,Brian Flynn...now we are signing their best player...how times change

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sat Aug 19, 2017 10:46 am

FactualFrank wrote:Well, it'll be of no surprise to many that I'd be very pleased with this. As one of the 5% of people posting on here who's actually seen him play. I wouldn't want Vokes going in the other direction though. Their main similarity is that they've both strong and powerful, but Wood is more direct. He'll be the one more often scoring the goal and being in the right place at the right time. Whereas Vokes is the most likely to be the target man to enable a player like Woods to score.

But both will do well in a 4-5-1 so long as the midfield pushes up, like against Chelsea.

You do know that about 20,000 Burnley fans haven't just seen Wood play but have seen him score against us don't you?

ClaretAL · Post by **ClaretAL** » Sat Aug 19, 2017 10:48 am

For God sake chaps, does it really matter? I'm sure SD knows more than any of us so let's just agree he is the gaffers choice and let's all see what type of player he is and how he does. UTC NNN

mybloodisclaret · Post by **mybloodisclaret** » Sat Aug 19, 2017 10:49 am

Oh Leeds Leeds Leeds
Vokes is worth less than half of Wood?!?!?! We'd sell him to You?!?!?!??! Sean Dyche to Leeds?!?!?!?

Brilliant absolute qualateee

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Sat Aug 19, 2017 10:52 am

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taio wrote:Wood can play off the centre halves too to bring others into play.

I didnt say he couldnt. Vokes can run in behind a bit too. It just isnt his strongest suit and isnt his natural instinct. Players' strengths and weaknesses arent black and white, but none of us have the time to go through all the shades of grey. I suppose you could say that a post that went into that sort of detail would waffle.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sat Aug 19, 2017 10:54 am

Rileybobs wrote:You do know that about 20,000 Burnley fans haven't just seen Wood play but have seen him score against us don't you?

Yes. And they must have had their eyes closed. Hence my comment. Just read this thread and read what people have said.

AGENT_CLARET · Post by **AGENT_CLARET** » Sat Aug 19, 2017 10:54 am

He could make his debut at Wembley not a bad place to start your clarets career

summitclaret · Post by **summitclaret** » Sat Aug 19, 2017 10:56 am

Of course it matters. We already have 3 big strikers and the nearest we have to pace is in midfield in Brady. There is a glaring gap and little sign of it being filled.

I like 451, but there will be times when we are chasing a game when a Gray type is essential. We need that player and we need it now. Wood is not that man. We ain't gonna buy x2 stikers for £20m each so I dont want Wood for that money. Sorry.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sat Aug 19, 2017 10:58 am

claretspice wrote:
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I didnt say he couldnt. Vokes can run in behind a bit too. It just isnt his strongest suit and isnt his natural instinct. Players' strengths and weaknesses arent black and white, but none of us have the time to go through all the shades of grey. I suppose you could say that a post that went into that sort of detail would waffle.

No, waffle is the above.

'I didn't say he couldn't'; Players' strengths and weaknesses arent black and white'

Waffle and hedging your bets

And you said the only thing they have in common is they're are tall. WTF.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sat Aug 19, 2017 10:59 am

summitclaret wrote:Of course it matters. We already have 3 big strikers and the nearest we have to pace is in midfield in Brady. There is a glaring gap and little sign of it being filled.

I like 451, but there will be times when we are chasing a game when a Gray type is essential. We need that player and we need it now. Wood is not that man. We ain't gonna buy x2 stikers for £20m each so I dont want Wood for that money. Sorry.

Have you made SD aware of the issues you've raised?

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Sat Aug 19, 2017 10:59 am

summitclaret wrote:Of course it matters. We already have 3 big strikers and the nearest we have to pace is in midfield in Brady. There is a glaring gap and little sign of it being filled.

I like 451, but there will be times when we are chasing a game when a Gray type is essential. We need that player and we need it now. Wood is not that man. We ain't gonna buy x2 stikers for £20m each so I dont want Wood for that money. Sorry.

We need more pace, and there's an opening for it om the right wing, but dont underestimate the pace of Hendrick, and particularly his ability to carry the ball at pace. The length of his stride disguises how fast he covers the ground i think.

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Sat Aug 19, 2017 10:59 am

We need a technician/pacey type as an option - much like Ings was. Someone that can create something from nothing. Wood is a solid player and fits into our style but isn't that player.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Sat Aug 19, 2017 11:00 am

taio wrote:No, waffle is the above.

'I didn't say he couldn't'; Players' strengths and weaknesses arent black and white'

Waffle and hedging your bets

Yep, now you're being rude.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sat Aug 19, 2017 11:02 am

claretspice wrote:Yep, now you're being rude.

Where's the rude bit? Must be easily offended.

gawthorpe_view · Post by **gawthorpe_view** » Sat Aug 19, 2017 11:08 am

I'll reserve my judgement of him untill I've seen him playing our system and framework.
Everything else is just conjecture.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Sat Aug 19, 2017 11:10 am

taio wrote:Where's the rude bit? Must be easily offended.

Not particularly Taio and i can't say it bothers me. I just think your last couple of contributions a little rude and appear a bit ignorant. Still, onwards and upwards. If you want to chat football great. If you want to have silly discussion about whether someone is hedging their bets, ive better things to do.

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Sat Aug 19, 2017 11:17 am

Rileybobs wrote:You do know that about 20,000 Burnley fans haven't just seen Wood play but have seen him score against us don't you?

They also saw him miss two sitters ont't'Turf in the promotion season.

Jakubs Tash · Post by **Jakubs Tash** » Sat Aug 19, 2017 11:17 am

Many posters on here who give over-aggressive responses instead of balanced viewpoints. Such a joy to read at times.....

Jakubs Tash · Post by **Jakubs Tash** » Sat Aug 19, 2017 11:19 am

Pretty obvious thing to say I know, but for what it's worth I have been told Wood medical is tomorrow and he will not play for Leeds tonight.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sat Aug 19, 2017 11:19 am

claretspice wrote:If it is two from Wood, Andone, and Long, then I'd like to think Wood is the back up plan - because although I think he's a good player, I think Andone and Long might cover more of our requirements (forward to add something different to Vokes and Barnes, option of pace out wide). But Wood is still a really good plan B, and it sounds as though he's keen to come, which counts for plenty.

They're both tall.

happyclaret17 · Post by **happyclaret17** » Sat Aug 19, 2017 11:19 am

sounds like we have Wood ant Walters for the price of selling Gray...happy with that business...I do think that Wood will prove to be a bit better than vokes...just finds that space in the box as natural goal scorers do....also a handy player to help defend set pieces...pity he aint in the team today....utc.

Quicknick · Post by **Quicknick** » Sat Aug 19, 2017 11:24 am

taio wrote:Where's the rude bit? Must be easily offended.

Sounds pretty rude to me, too.

Winstonswhite · Post by **Winstonswhite** » Sat Aug 19, 2017 11:30 am

I can't understand why people are moaning about signing a player who scored more goals (excluding pens) in the Championship than any of our strikers which includes some bloody good players. Gray, Vokes, Ings, even Austin scored less.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Sat Aug 19, 2017 11:31 am

taio wrote:They're both tall.

So, to recap, Andone and Long appear to me to be more different to Vokes than Wood, but Wood is nevertheless not the same player as Vokes. Glad weve cleared that up and hopefully now we can stop over analysing my contributions in a desperate search for potential inconsistencies.

IndigoLake · Post by **IndigoLake** » Sat Aug 19, 2017 11:32 am

taio wrote:No, waffle is the above.

'I didn't say he couldn't'; Players' strengths and weaknesses arent black and white'

Waffle and hedging your bets

And you said the only thing they have in common is they're are tall. WTF.

I think it's pretty clear what spice was saying. You've offered little in the way of a counter argument tbh.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sat Aug 19, 2017 11:32 am

Twitter is funny. One person questions, who would sign for Burnley?

Reply: Taylor and Wood.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sat Aug 19, 2017 11:35 am

IndigoLake wrote:I think it's pretty clear what spice was saying. You've offered little in the way of a counter argument tbh.

- he can play as a target man
- he can drop off his marker to bring others into play
- he is strong in the air
- he can hold the ball up
- he can show strength with his back to goal.

ArmchairDetective · Post by **ArmchairDetective** » Sat Aug 19, 2017 11:39 am

"Is it just me ....
But do you not think we should be approaching Burnley for their MANAGER
NOT selling wood
Is this how far we have fallen"

IndigoLake · Post by **IndigoLake** » Sat Aug 19, 2017 11:39 am

taio wrote:- he can play as a target man
- he can drop off his marker to bring others into play
- he is strong in the air
- he can hold the ball up
- he can show strength with his back to goal.

But the thing is, spice wasn't saying that he can't do those things. He was highlighting the main strengths of Wood and Vokes as he sees them. I don't think it's unfair to say that Vokes and Wood use their size in different ways. Few of Wood's goals were headers last season while Vokes (as we all know) is known for his aerial prowess! I've often said that for a big man, Vokes isn't particularly physical with opposition defenders - that's more Barnes really. As such, I feel Wood does offer something different to Vokes. However, I will be much happier if we can sign Andone or Long in order to get that pace that I think most of us feel we are lacking.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Sat Aug 19, 2017 11:40 am

Steve1956 wrote:I can remember when we had to sell our best players to Leeds,Ray Hankin,Brian Flynn...now we are signing their best player...how times change

Best playerS

It's Charlie Taylor AND possibly Chris Wood

Great times to be a Claret!

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Sat Aug 19, 2017 11:45 am

There are similarities between Vokes and Wood but they do have some differences and sufficient enough for Dyche to think they can both be effective.I think we still need pace too. For what it's worth I think Spice reads the game very well.

Right_winger · Post by **Right_winger** » Sat Aug 19, 2017 11:53 am

Wow anyone suggesting Wood is a better player than Gray needs to book themselves into the nearest opticians.

Our forward Line must the biggest most physical unit in the premier league... shame it's also the slowest.

Hope our plan A works as there's no alternatives apart from hoof it and woof it.

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Sat Aug 19, 2017 11:56 am

Right_winger wrote:Wow anyone suggesting Wood is a better player than Gray needs to book themselves into the nearest opticians.

Our forward Line must the biggest most physical unit in the premier league... shame it's also the slowest.

Hope our plan A works as there's no alternatives apart from hoof it and woof it.

I don't usually get taken in by these sort of posts, but did you watch the Chelsea game? Sure, we relied on some balls into the box from set plays etc, but we played it on the deck and were actually very zippy with the ball.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Sat Aug 19, 2017 11:58 am

Correct.
We footballed Chelsea to death, particularly in the first half.

ewanrob · Post by **ewanrob** » Sat Aug 19, 2017 12:01 pm

From a peed off Leeds fan mate of mine, totally different to Vokes. More athletic and more importantly...a goal poacher. Seems to be in the right place at the right time.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sat Aug 19, 2017 12:04 pm

ewanrob wrote:Seems to be in the right place at the right time.

I'm sure I've read that on this thread earlier too actually

Your mate is correct.

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Sat Aug 19, 2017 12:07 pm

Some posters must panic at this point at a Saturday thinking what am I going to moan about at 5pm if we win. How anyone can be negative going into our first home game of the season after last weeks win is beyond me.