Jack Walkers dead chant

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 11:07 am

I for one think all swearing or mocking in general should be outlawed in football games. In fact, singing in general should, too much potential for upsetting people. People should be able to sit there for 90 minutes without having to make loud noise and try to put down our friends on the other team.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 11:11 am

ClaretMoffitt wrote:I for one think all swearing or mocking in general should be outlawed in football games. In fact, singing in general should, too much potential for upsetting people. People should be able to sit there for 90 minutes without having to make loud noise and try to put down our friends on the other team.

I think some, yourself included, mistake people disliking something with them being upset or offended by it. There's quite a difference.

Are you all upset and offended by the people who find the Jack Walker chants distasteful?

claretrobo1 · Post by **claretrobo1** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 11:13 am

ClaretMoffitt wrote:I for one think all swearing or mocking in general should be outlawed in football games. In fact, singing in general should, too much potential for upsetting people. People should be able to sit there for 90 minutes without having to make loud noise and try to put down our friends on the other team.

Singing creates atmosphere. Wednesday night was brilliant because of the singing and the buzz around the stadium.

Steddyman · Post by **Steddyman** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 11:25 am

ClaretMoffitt wrote:I for one think all swearing or mocking in general should be outlawed in football games. In fact, singing in general should, too much potential for upsetting people. People should be able to sit there for 90 minutes without having to make loud noise and try to put down our friends on the other team.

My sarcasm meter needle appears to have flown off the scale.

Bacchus · Post by **Bacchus** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 11:44 am

Clearly it's crass, tasteless and intended to be so regardless of the desperate spin that some people try to put on it. Of course, it won't stop because all football crowds contain a large enough contingent of crass, tasteless people combined with a load more who will just go along with it because they're too dumb to realise how crass & tasteless they are being.

The argument that some Rovers supporters sing equally moronic songs so our supporters are justified in following suit is pretty much at the 'he hit me first' level I expect of my pre-school kids and any adult seriously rolling that one out might want to give their head a bang.

Before anyone starts with the whole snowflake angle, I'm not offended about it, it doesn't make me cry myself to sleep. I just find it very disappointing that people still feel justified in acting like morons purely because they are at a football match.

Lord Beamish · Post by **Lord Beamish** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 11:45 am

If fans aren't being criticised for the type of songs they're singing, they're being criticised for getting the words wrong. If not that, then they are sniped at for singing to fast.
It would appear that some fans are unhappy about other fans for getting being a fan just quite wrong.

The atmosphere generated by the Burnley Fans on Wednesday night was just electric. Flares aside, some of the chanting was a touch off-colour, but it all added to a very noisy Darwen End and a pretty shell shocked rest of the Stadium. We've got precious little to complain about at the moment if this is all we can find to gripe about.

Grimsby Claret · Post by **Grimsby Claret** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 11:48 am

The Rovers fans don't insult Bob Lord, and he put a Bob or two into our club.

Wish Jack Walker had been a Claret. All those Millions he gave away to his club.
I for one respect the man.

jlup1980 · Post by **jlup1980** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 12:01 pm

happyclaret17 wrote:Jack Walker was a good bloke who had passion for his local club...irrespective of our allegiances, mocking the dead is completely and utterly disgusting....shame on any of our fans who sing this disgusting song....support your team ffs....dont mock the dead....utc.

Absolutely. I think it's disgusting. I've never joined in with this chant and I never will. Anyone who joins in with any chants about the dead (whether that be United fans re Hillsborough, Liverpool fans re Munich or our fans re Jack Walker) should take a long hard look at themselves.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 12:48 pm

Grimsby Claret wrote:The Rovers fans don't insult Bob Lord, and he put a Bob or two into our club.
Wish Jack Walker had been a Claret. All those Millions he gave away to his club.
I for one respect the man.

WHAT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bob Lord put into the club ??????? How when was it a free pie or something. To compare the two is ludicrous. Lord had this club on its knees and was getting insulted by us trying to get him out.
Walker put cash into the club he supported fair enough but this oh I respect him FFS did you not endure the gloating of the bstards fans for all those years ? A lot of other clubs also detest them for their we have loads of money songs etc etc.

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 12:52 pm

Lots of chant are cringeworthy but if it lets fans let off steam and creates atmosphere does it really matter. Far too many easily offended flowers these days. Better off attending a sewing club or dancing classes or something similiar. If you are easily offended you should be nowhere near a football ground.

happyclaret17 · Post by **happyclaret17** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 1:02 pm

Re: Jack Walkers dead chant
Home Like
Unread postby Blackrod » Fri Aug 25, 2017 12:52 pm

Lots of chant are cringeworthy but if it lets fans let off steam and creates atmosphere does it really matter. Far too many easily offended flowers these days. Better off attending a sewing club or dancing classes or something similiar. If you are easily offended you should be nowhere near a football ground.
..........

cannot believe anyone with even the tiniest bit of decency would defend this type of singing....the celtic fans sing about Lee Rigby ffs....all you need to do is imagine jack walker was a friend or relation and how you would feel if hearing this mindless rubbish....its 10 times worse than racism with the song being so personal.....if every club had a Jack Walker they should count themselves lucky.....a far better person and fan than the idiots that sing this vile song...utc.

Claretforever · Post by **Claretforever** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 1:08 pm

"Football is like panto for adults" said one columnist some years ago about distasteful songs. You'll always get songs which try to get a rise out of the opposition.

When Rovers sang about Ben Lee, or when they sing about incest (which is illegal), they are doing it for the same reason our fans sing about Walker. It's all to get a rise out of the opponent, and the more Rovers fans complain (they haven't this time to be honest, as they're more bothered about their situation), the more Clarets sing it. Crappy hatchback lad is only on here to see if we can argue between ourselves.

When Venky's disappear, and Rovers fans continue not to make a deal about it, our fans will stop as it's not getting the response they crave. I'm sure something else will replace it though.

It doesn't bother me though, as I see it as The King is Dead, Long Live the King. They had a generous owner, and now they are stuck with Venky's.

Papabendi · Post by **Papabendi** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 1:09 pm

1963Claret wrote:Oh the irony

Blackburn's chant about so called inbred Burnley fans is a cracker too...

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 1:38 pm

Blackrod wrote:Lots of chant are cringeworthy but if it lets fans let off steam and creates atmosphere does it really matter. Far too many easily offended flowers these days. Better off attending a sewing club or dancing classes or something similiar. If you are easily offended you should be nowhere near a football ground.

Who's offended?

And why are you so offended about people not liking a chant, snowflake?

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 1:59 pm

I find the chant offensive and said so last season when I first heard it.

Foshiznik · Post by **Foshiznik** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 2:06 pm

"Every day we have plenty of opportunities to get angry, stressed or offended. But what you're doing when you indulge these negative emotions is giving something outside yourself power over your happiness. You can choose to not let little things upset you."

Falcon · Post by **Falcon** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 2:07 pm

I don't think it is particularly offensive.

In poor taste yes, and I don't sing along with it, but no Rovers fan is really going to be that arsed by it, just like we aren't bothered about the inbred dingle jibes.

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 2:10 pm

It's vile quite frankly

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 2:17 pm

Some chanting is wholly unacceptable such as racism.
Other chanting is in poor taste such as ' Burnley is wonderful ....'. The latter will never be prevented so you either choose to ignore it, be offended every time you go on or stay away IMO.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 2:26 pm

Third game in and the third thread whinging about Burnley fans.

It's going to be a long season.

Shall we start the whinging about our fans at Brighton one now?

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 2:41 pm

Rovers fans are all over fb mocking other dead people, so don't worry about hurting their feelings.
Yes it needs to stop, but it's part of the culture of football presently and unfortunately.

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 2:42 pm

BFCmaj wrote:Maybe we should sing,
Mr Edd's your dad,
Black Beauty's your mum.
You're interbred,
You Blackburn sc*m!

Actually, scrap that, that would make them just horses.

And what is more Black Beauty was a Stallion (male)

Marlonspants · Post by **Marlonspants** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 2:48 pm

2-4-6-8 Who do we appreciate? Burnley!

Now that's the kind of song we need! A real terrace classic from back in the day.

Seriously I think that people really do look to be offended. Football fans come from all walks of life. We don't live in a World where everyone is perfectly educated and is middle class.

If the chant upsets you then don't put yourself in an environment where you are likely to hear it.

The fact you don't understand why songs like this are sung means you are not quite as bright as you may think you are.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 2:58 pm

I'm yet to see anyone who claims to be offended by the chant.

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 3:00 pm

happyclaret17 wrote:Re: Jack Walkers dead chant
Home Like
Unread postby Blackrod » Fri Aug 25, 2017 12:52 pm

Lots of chant are cringeworthy but if it lets fans let off steam and creates atmosphere does it really matter. Far too many easily offended flowers these days. Better off attending a sewing club or dancing classes or something similiar. If you are easily offended you should be nowhere near a football ground.
..........

cannot believe anyone with even the tiniest bit of decency would defend this type of singing....the celtic fans sing about Lee Rigby ffs....all you need to do is imagine jack walker was a friend or relation and how you would feel if hearing this mindless rubbish....its 10 times worse than racism with the song being so personal.....if every club had a Jack Walker they should count themselves lucky.....a far better person and fan than the idiots that sing this vile song...utc.

Did you know him , did you ever meet him ?
I had the misfortune to meet him a few times
He was an obnoxious knob !

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 3:10 pm

You don't have to be offended by a chant to think that it's sh!te,

cutsy123 · Post by **cutsy123** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 3:26 pm

hes dead hes dead!

hes dead hes dead heeeees dead!

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 3:32 pm

You're braindead you're braindead

Braindead braindead braindead

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 3:41 pm

Looks like there was enough on here to sing a different song to drown it out on Wednesday night.

cutsy123 · Post by **cutsy123** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 3:46 pm

like i said the other nite, sounded like 4800 fans were singing it. Part of the rivaly and banter, no matter if deceased or not

We hate them, they hate us.

Rammy1968 · Post by **Rammy1968** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 3:52 pm

The world is PC crazy, yes its not in the best taste but we are at a football match singing and winding the opposition fans up its what has happened for years and will happen for years to come.
Why someone is braindead just because they sing this song is quite laughable.
But hey ho

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 3:57 pm

There is always the opportunity to write to the Chairman asking for a supporters section where people can sing good wholesome songs or take earmuffs in if they would like to watch in silence or the muffle the offensive or rude chants.

Roosterbooster · Post by **Roosterbooster** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 4:42 pm

I cannot believe some of the idiocy on this thread. Trying to kid yourself that just because you are at a football match means you are somehow allowed to be racist, homophobic, or make light of someone being dead is inexcusable. Yes, some people do get easily offended these days, or think they should be offended even though they aren't sure why. But would you say these things person to person, face to face? Or is it just because you are in a large group? It's mob mentality. By all means, enjoy the banter and wind up other fans with thoughtful songs and little jibes. We have plenty of songs for that to create atmosphere. The best atmospheres are created by fans going head to head. But do not for one minute think that being at a football match is any excuse to act like mindless idiots. As Burnley fans, you are representing the club. And quite frankly I think it's disgusting that people don't care about the sort of effect this has on the younger fans in the ground. Some comments on this thread are shameful...

Marlonspants · Post by **Marlonspants** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 4:48 pm

You're going home like Sandy Richardson!

I was offended by this back in the 70's.

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 5:01 pm

Blackrod wrote:There is always the opportunity to write to the Chairman asking for a supporters section where people can sing good wholesome songs or take earmuffs in if they would like to watch in silence or the muffle the offensive or rude chants.

That gives me an idea..let's ask the Chairman,directors and more appropriately the players if they appreciate hearing the fans chanting "Jack Walker is dead"...?

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 5:04 pm

I suppose this chant is not quite as sick as the Aberfan chant some Burnley fans sang to opposing supporters of welsh clubs.

Steddyman · Post by **Steddyman** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 5:11 pm

At least 50% of the respondents on here have restored my faith in human nature.

Clearly it is a very vocal minority that prevail at these matches.

Marlonspants · Post by **Marlonspants** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 5:14 pm

You are over thinking it Dazzler.

Sociology is a fascinating subject. You are too busy being offended rather than looking at, and accepting, that people behave differently to you depending on their background and social standing.

Chanting a few naughty songs at football is so far down on the scale it's nearly dropped off the bottom.

Burnley is a rough northern town with its fair share of rough northern folk. That's not the fault of the people that is the fault of society.

Don't deprive people of opportunities and then slag them for not behaving as you think they should do.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 5:14 pm

How would we feel if one of our directors or chairman suddenly died and Blackburn supporters suddenly started making fun of the situation I bet many on here would be up in arms.

It's a sad state of affairs that many on here find it highly amusing that Jack Walker died of cancer, but there you go.

But sadly, that's how it is these day!

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 5:23 pm

Walkers crisps anybody? Nah...

Roosterbooster · Post by **Roosterbooster** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 5:24 pm

Marlonspants wrote:The fact you don't understand why songs like this are sung means you are not quite as bright as you may think you are.

I think people understand perfectly why the songs are sung. But I think they are having trouble understanding why people think it is still acceptable...

Bop · Post by **Bop** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 5:28 pm

Marlonspants wrote:You're going home like Sandy Richardson!

I was offended by this back in the 70's.

Ha! There were various spins on this, including 'you're going home in a plastic carrier bag'.

I'm guessing that songs about the wives of Emlyn Hughes, Elton Welsby, and Simon Garner would be off-limits too??

Bop · Post by **Bop** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 5:29 pm

Rousing hymns are what we need.

Marlonspants · Post by **Marlonspants** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 5:33 pm

Roosterbooster wrote:I think people understand perfectly why the songs are sung. But I think they are having trouble understanding why people think it is still acceptable...

How do you NOT understand why people think it is acceptable?

Education, education, education.

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 5:34 pm

Spijed wrote:How would we feel if one of our directors or chairman suddenly died and Blackburn supporters suddenly started making fun of the situation I bet many on here would be up in arms.

It's a sad state of affairs that many on here find it highly amusing that Jack Walker died of cancer, but there you go.

But sadly, that's how it is these day!

Name one poster on here who has found it highly amusing that Jack Walker died of cancer ?

Bacchus · Post by **Bacchus** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 5:34 pm

Marlonspants wrote:You are over thinking it Dazzler.

Sociology is a fascinating subject. You are too busy being offended rather than looking at, and accepting, that people behave differently to you depending on their background and social standing.

Chanting a few naughty songs at football is so far down on the scale it's nearly dropped off the bottom.

Burnley is a rough northern town with its fair share of rough northern folk. That's not the fault of the people that is the fault of society.

Don't deprive people of opportunities and then slag them for not behaving as you think they should do.

I reckon it's you that's overthinking it. We're talking about a basic level of decency here (or the lack thereof.) Since when did that require a university education and and a middle class lifestyle?

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 5:35 pm

Marlonspants wrote:Don't deprive people of opportunities and then slag them for not behaving as you think they should do.

I am a former 'foul-mouthed' squaddie but wherever I was posted I not only represented my country but also my town and football club of which I consciously proudly represented with some decorum.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 5:37 pm

joey13 wrote:Name one poster on here who has found it highly amusing that Jack Walker died of cancer ?

Anyone who is singing those songs about him.

How can you have sympathy otherwise?

Marlonspants · Post by **Marlonspants** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 5:37 pm

Spijed wrote:How would we feel if one of our directors or chairman suddenly died and Blackburn supporters suddenly started making fun of the situation I bet many on here would be up in arms.

It's a sad state of affairs that many on here find it highly amusing that Jack Walker died of cancer, but there you go.

But sadly, that's how it is these day!

It may sound harsh but I pretty much wouldn't bat an eye. If that person was a family member or friend then I would be upset by it but would be expecting it and would deal with it accordingly.

I think you want to be offended on other people's behalf.

Don't be.

Longside4evr · Post by **Longside4evr** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 5:38 pm

Going back to the old Longside the songs that used to be sung will make what I can only imagine the newbies being offended by a chant
Yes I know it's a different era now but football will always have a high volume of passion I love hearing what ever it maybe it's only a game then you go home some time ago it could have been with a brick in the head
Even at kids level these people just have a walk up a park and listen to the parents from the sidelines
It's not a place for a clergyman I can tell you I have even seen fights on the sidelines it's passionate it's the beautiful game it's football banter if you take heart out of a chant go to church and sing in a choir or sumert